[Closed] "1,400 children were subjected to "appalling" sexual exploitation in Rotherham"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33310095

Expanding on Janner a little:

[url= http://exaronews.com/articles/5598/police-seized-abuse-evidence-to-protect-lord-janner-ex-officer ]Police seized abuse evidence to protect Lord Janner[/url]

Well I never, just realized [url= http://www.****/news/article-3064947/Lord-Janner-director-firm-THREE-WEEKS-ago-emerges-damning-dossier-alleges-police-chief-allowed-peer-molest-young-boys.html ]in the link I posted in the Janner thread[/url], it suggests he was a Freemason!!

At the heart of the alleged conspiracy is a man called Michael Hirst. He was the Chief Constable of Leicestershire for much of the 1980s, and went on to become a director of the private security company Group 4.

According to the legal papers, which date from the early 1990s, Mr Hirst just happened to be ‘very close friends’ with Greville Janner. Both men, the dossier alleges, were Freemasons.

The tale of corruption and criminality is so sinister that it might have been plucked from the plot of a late-night TV drama.

At its heart is a famous politician with a dark secret: he has for years been living a vile double life as a prolific abuser of children.

His crimes are known to the forces of law and order in the city that he represents. Yet the local police chief, a close friend and fellow Freemason, works to ensure that he is never brought to justice.

At one point, when the ‘untouchable’ Parliamentarian is threatened with exposure, in a messy court case, local detectives falsify criminal evidence in an effort to protect him.

Soon afterwards, the politician sends ‘heavies’ to knock on the doors of witnesses, in the hope of intimidating them into staying silent.

Then allies in City Hall instruct staff to shred documents that might result in his repellent activities becoming public.

Finally, the police chief launches an organised campaign to destroy the reputation of a brave whistle-blower who is attempting to expose the whole, stinking business.

As a result, the abuse continues unchecked, on an industrial scale. Dozens, if not scores, more vulnerable children are abused. Many still bear the scars to this day.
At the heart of the alleged conspiracy to protect Lord Janner is Michael Hirst (pictured). He was the Chief Constable of Leicestershire for much of the 1980s
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At the heart of the alleged conspiracy to protect Lord Janner is Michael Hirst (pictured). He was the Chief Constable of Leicestershire for much of the 1980s

Corruption being a two-way street, the politician, meanwhile, helps funnel public money to the very police force whose bosses are helping him stay out of jail.

Sounds appalling, doesn’t it? But these deeply disturbing events have not been taken from a fictitious crime novel or TV script.

Instead, they are contained in a dossier of legal documents which outline events that took place in a British city during the 1980s and 1990s.

So who remembers talk of Lord Mountbatten (mentor of Prince Charles, who introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royals) and his links to Kincora?

[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5608/richard-kerr-names-powerful-men-who-covered-up-kincora ]I wasn't fibbing[/url]

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Was there any notable heads of the CIA whilst Maurice Oldfield was head of MI6?

Here is the Australian Programme... why hasn't a similar investigation hasn't been broadcast here yet?

Along with MPs serving until the recent election and current members of the house of Lords, there is mention of Leon Brittan, along with Greville Janner and Cyril Smith:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/22/leon-brittan-westminster-child-abuse-files

Britain's name pops up again

It's gone very quiet on this thread. Anyone a freemason?

all too busy reading the Chilcot report 🙄

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-33755726 ]Latest news is that there is an IPCC investigation into Ted Heath[/url]...

Of particular note is mention of Wiltshire police as it was Wiltshire police who were linked to the investigation into Haut de La Garenne on Jersey, where it is alleged that Jimmy Savile would procure children, trafficked from carehomes and orphanages across the UK to be taken out on yachts by VIPs (including Edward Heath's yacht, the Morning Cloud) and savagely abused.

It is said that many of the children never returned from sea...

[url= http://www.islingtontribune.com/news/2014/oct/postcards-link-islington-care-home-children-scene-notorious-jersey-sex-abuse ]records of children visiting Jersey care homes have been destroyed.[/url]

[url= http://www.****/news/article-523706/I-known-Jersey-paedophiles-15-years-says-award-winning-journalist.html ]A bit more background here[/url], though it's worth noting that since that piece was written the 2008 investigation (whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive), Operation Rectangle was shut down, when officers with unblemished records were struck off the case... many involved insist there was a cover up.

Hmm, surprised we haven't heard anything about the Ken Clarke case from you JHJ...

http://barristerblogger.com/2015/07/30/we-shouldnt-draw-the-wrong-conclusions-from-ben-fellowss-acquittal/

Huge conspiracy by the entire system, or false accusation... Makes you think eh?

Funny you should mention that ninfan... I notice the link you've supplied fails to mention Ken Clarke is being investigated for further allegations of indecent assault of minors...

www.exaronews.com/articles/5624/ken-clarke-police-investigate-second-claim-of-indecent-assault

Of particular note is mention of Wiltshire police

Alternatively, it could be because he lived in Salisbury.

Fair point, but in that case, why were the Wiltshire Police involved in the Jersey investigation?

Because Bergerac was otherwise engaged

Funny you should mention that ninfan... I notice the link you've supplied fails to mention Ken Clarke is being investigated for further allegations of indecent assault of minors...

Which of course along with Ben Fellows's acquittal yet again seriously undermines the claim of a "huge conspiracy by the entire system".

Not really...

you only have to look at the cases of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Leon Brittan to show that there has been a culture of protection and cover up over several decades... failure to question Leon Brittan whilst he was alive suggests the cover up continues, but thanks to vigilant journalists, such cases are being exposed.

Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Leon Brittan were all acquainted with one another and Keith Harding (Already mentioned on a previous page for being made head of the GCHQ freemason's lodge in 2011, despite having a lifetime record for child abuse), [url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/576187/Keith-Harding-MPs-Leon-Brittan-Cyril-Smith-Jeremy-Thorpe ]a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange who ran a shop in Islington,[/url] which was notorious for abuse in care homes and linked to Jersey, as mentioned in the links in the Ted Heath post.

there has been a culture of protection and cover up over several decades

Woah woah..........you've changed your tune a helluva lot.

That's not what you were previously claiming..

You claimed that there was/is an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

I pointed out to you a long time ago that paedophilia was one of those crimes which people widely choose to ignore - they would rather not think or speak about it and simply brush it under the carpet while silently ignoring it and pretending it never happened.

I pointed out that this appalling attitude/culture is seen right across every level of society and institutions right down to 'the family'.

You however were adamant that it was all down to an establishment paedophile ring which is apparently vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Now as you see your theory unravel with every new arrest and conviction you are changing your tune and now claiming that it was merely down to a culture of protection and cover up, something which I think very few people would disagree with.

So what happened to the establishment paedophile ring which is apparently vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite ?

And which the Queen is apparently head of.

[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html ]Who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey[/url]?

While we're at it, did you watch this trailer?

So you're sticking to your theory that this is all about an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite, and which the Queen is in charge of.

Despite another hole being shot through your theory the latest development concerning court cases and investigations.

And since you ask the question "Who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?" how about you explain in whose name do UK courts operate? Or who has "authority over" over UK courts as you like to say.

That'll be the UK courts who are pursuing and convicting pedophiles btw, and who are under the authority of the UK pedophile master ringleader.

How about all the VIP paedophiles who have escaped conviction and arrest for several decades?

This is the same resistance I've endured throughout~ for example, when I 1st mentioned Lord Mountbatten's involvement, there was a great deal of toxicity.

Today's revelations suggest there was a former PRIME MINISTER directly involved in abuse...

(as an aside, both of those characters are known to have spent time in the company of Jimmy Savile)

and yet you still seem desperate to take cheap shots, when throughout, I have done my damnedest to keep you informed.

I have done my damnedest to keep you informed.

How does that square with you telling everyone to do their own research?

Lead by example 😉

when I 1st mentioned Lord Mountbatten's involvement, there was a great deal of toxicity.

Today's revelations suggest there was a former PRIME MINISTER directly involved in abuse...

Because the former was very poorly thought through innuendo and conjecture targeted at a well respected public figure, and the latter involves a former prime minister who was always rumoured to be a bit "odd"?

So what are your thoughts on Lord Mountbatten (Prince Charles' mentor, who introduced the Royals to Jimmy Savile in the 1960s, from which time until Jimmy Savile's death in 2011, Savile and future king Charles were very close) and his involvement in Kincora, from where children were trafficked across the country to be sadistically abused?

Could it be that much of the respect nurtured for public figures comes from a bygone age, where we had far less access to information and far more trust in the establishment, which with every passing day is revealed to be more rotten?

Today's revelations suggest there was a former PRIME MINISTER directly involved in abuse...

No, they suggest there was an allegation made

We don't know who the alligators were, or whether they were crocodile.

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Makes you think, doesn't it?

(As an aside, if you can manage to make Earnest and Ninfan come together on a point, you just know you're doing it wrong!)

Aims are admirable, methods are execrable.

Well at least I have my aims... what exactly are your aims in all this?

Discredit and derail?

See, as soon as CFH reveals that it's the reptilians behind it all, you go all defensive!

Still not buying the lizard thing, but suit yourself...

Well at least I have my aims... what exactly are your aims in all this?

Discredit and derail?

Part of the establishment coverup perhaps.

Privately educated Tory supporter.......seems a likely candidate.

Maybe Flashheart provides the stationery to Her Majesty's pedophile ring? I'm sure they must need post-it notes to remind themselves to do stuff.

I also used to use the gym in Dolphin Square, as it was the closest to home at the time.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Makes you think that you have no interest in the topic, but want to distract others who might...

Many people have lived in and used the facilities at Dolphin Square over the years... does that make them all the types who would rape and murder kids?

Nope, but that doesn't mean that those who did shouldn't be investigated.

As an example of how there are still avenues not receiving sufficient investigation, let's look at MP for New Forest East, Dr Julian Lewis:

Dr Julian Lewis was a pivotal player in VIP child abuse at Dolphin Square, putting the magazine Scallywag out of business, [url= http://www.julianlewis.net/selected-news-cuttings/3519:libelled-politicians-36 ]something he proudly declares on his own website[/url]

What he fails to mention in his self congratulatory piece is the mysterious disappearance of documents relating to Scallywag's investigation into the VIP paedophile ring, [url= https://pbepr.wordpress.com/scallywags-simon-regan/ ]after he purchased and seized the contents of Scallywag's offices[/url]:

Subsequently, over a rent dispute which is still a matter of litigation, Dr. Julian Lewis, now Conservative MP for New Forest (East) but then deputy head of research at Conservative Central Office in Smith Square, managed to purchase the contents of our offices, which included all our files. It had been alleged that we owed rent, which we disputed, but under a court order the landlords were able to change the locks and seize our assets which included all our files, including those we had made on paedophiles. It was apparently quite legal, but it was most certainly a dirty trick.

All of a sudden very private information, some of it even privileged between ourselves and our lawyer during the John Major libel action, was being published in selected, pro-Conservative sections of the media.

Subsequently, during a court case initiated by Lewis, I was able in my defence to seek discovery of documents and asked to see the seized files. The paedophile papers were missing. This is a very great shame, because Sir Ronald Waterhouse certainly should have been aware of them.

Now of course, the fact that many prominent people were blatantly aware of this since at least last year makes it all the more sinister that [url= http://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Orders-approved-at-the-Privy-Council-30-March-2015.pdf ]he was appointed to the Privy Council on 30th of March this year[/url]!! in a meeting involving both Nick Clegg and William Hague... not only were both close associates of Leon Brittan, who has many allegations of sadistic paedophilia against him, also, Hague set up the Waterhouse Inquiry.

jivehoneyjive - Member

Makes you think that you have no interest in the topic, but want to distract others who might...

Or an alternative thought is that your claims the Queen is the head of an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite is so ridiculous that it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

Specially as you can't even be bothered to explain why this alleged establishment paedophile ring is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

All in good time...

in the meantime, you may want to refresh your memory with this:

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-family-member-was-investigated-as-part-of-paedophile-ring-before-coverup-excop-says-10126864.html ]Royal Family Member was investigated as part of Paedophile ring before investigation shut down[/url]

Its a retired senior copper that's come forward and said investigations into heath being a paedophile were suppressed

It doesn't take a conspiracy network of VIP abusers from the queen down to be in a giant paedo ring to protect the abusers
Its the culture of impunity enjoyed by politicians, celebrities and others in power that seems to have been pervasive that is a genuine concern.
Knowledge of savilles activities was shared by the press, police even Thatcher's office for decades while he continued to rape children

JHJs theories may sound wild but if 1 man can get away with abusing over 1000 victims inspite of apparent widespread knowledge of his activities who knows what the truth is

And still Cliff Richard is walking free !

Okay, winding it back a notch.

I don't for one minute believe in any grand conspiracy involving funny hand shakes, royalty and Bin-Ladens nubile niece. What is believable is the mundane aspect - that there was a group of folk involved in activities so ****ing hideous that it would be in international embarrassment.

JHJ - can you, in one short post, give a reasonable explanation for a high establishment paedophilia ring being used as part of a control structure? Moreso when such a ring would require knowledge of its existence in order to exert control yet has avoided detection in its clandestine control activities for decades.

Cliff walking free? Last I checked innocent till proven guilty.

LBC has picked up on the story of Leah McGrath Goodman, the journalist detained at Heathrow in 2011 who had her visa confiscated when it was mentioned she was investigating child abuse on Jersey

https://audioboom.com/boos/3433505-the-us-journalist-kicked-out-of-uk-for-investigating-ted-heath

Her account corroborates the allegations of Ted Heath taking children from Haut de la Garenne on yachts to be abused, with some never returning.

Jimmy Savile is also mentioned...

JHJ - can you, in one short post, give a reasonable explanation for a high establishment paedophilia ring being used as part of a control structure?

I don't pretend to fully understand such depravity, but basically, if you have key members of society, be they politicians, military leaders, media editors etc who can be blackmailed and manipulated, then you have a level of control which allows pre-planned agendas and strategies to be implemented with minimal obstruction.

To be fair, some of it is hard to grasp, but there is much to suggest there is ample truth.

This article goes quite in depth on the CIA side of things~ there may be some minor errors, but there is certainly significant truth:

http://isgp.nl/2009_11_In_brief_beyond_Dutroux_ties_to_US_CIA

the testimony of the victims is hard to comprehend, but there is significant documentation to back up their claims:

it also links to Nazi experiments, [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Mozes_Kor ]carried out at Auschwitz[/url]... several Nazi scientists were drafted into the CIA under [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip ]Operation Paperclip[/url]

it's worth noting that [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles ]Allen Dulles[/url], head of the CIA mentioned in the piece was a known associate of both [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Oldfield ]Maurice Oldfield[/url] (went on to become head of MI6, mentioned as attending Kincora) and [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Kennedy_Young ]George Kennedy Young[/url], (Became deputy head of MI6 and a key member of the Conservative Monday Club of which many members attended Elm Guest House)

Right then - so, whats your take on the Orkney Satanic Abuse case then JHJ?

That showed all the signs of being true, a massive conspiracy was uncovered...

Not something I've studied in any detail...

Might be worth it then... could be an education in just how damaging it can be to look for links that aren't necessarily there.

some of it is hard to grasp

Its the culture of impunity enjoyed by politicians, celebrities and others in power that seems to have been pervasive that is a genuine concern.

In case you have not noticed the title of this thread refers to the Rotherham child abuse scandal. The sexual abuse on the estimated 1,400 children in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 was predominantly carried out by gangs of British-****stani men. These were not politicians, celebrities, or others in power.

The culture of ignoring or not taking seriously allegations of child sex abuse is not confined to a powerful and wealthy elite, it goes right through the whole of society.

Relatively powerless people living on council estates have got away with child sexual abuse and operating pedophile rings.

That after all was the news story which led to this thread being started.

I think that is because you are clutching at straws.

Scoff if you like, but until you've studied all links supplied in depth, you have no basis for criticism, other than knee jerk reaction...

a massive conspiracy was uncovered...

But I thought there weren't any conspiracies?

Make your mind up!

That after all was the news story which led to this thread being started.

Cool, you might want to read through the thread in it's entirety...

So I can see how you derailed it to claim that the Queen heads a pedophile ring ?

In that case save yourself the drama... derailing it to the Queen's potential involvement was your doing on the last page, but nice try.

Have you come up with a satisfactory answer as to who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey yet?

Puts Heath allegations into context

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/edward-heath-child-sex-abuse-allegation-rumours-always-swirled-about-his-sexuality--im-sure-thats-all-they-were-10436328.html ]Right Wing Paper article[/url]

You have repeatedly claimed that the Queen is involved in this alleged conspiracy, which you say is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Obviously you don't always say it directly and actually spit the words out, because you much prefer innuendos, which is why you often post pictures with no accompanying text.

The last time you claimed the Queen was involved was just a few hours ago on the previous page to this one. You of course did it indirectly but it's crystal clear what you meant by this :

jivehoneyjive - Member

Who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

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The reason why I keep going back to your wild and ridiculous allegation that there is a pedophile ring led by the Queen, which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite, is because every time there is an investigation or arrest or successful prosecution, you want to take credit and claim that it backs up your theory. It does no such thing. In fact it does the opposite.

No one should be surprised that there has been pedophiles among establishment figures, it doesn't make JHJ claims correct, as some people seem to think.

Pedophiles, and their past ability to operate with relative impunity, transcends social classes, as the Rotherham abuse scandal proves, there is no reason to expect the wealthy and powerful elite to be pedophile-free.

So who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

So who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

Ernie Lynch - makes you think

Another thing to think about... perhaps the guy who wrote the article you linked to doesn't want to be shown up as a shoddy biographer.

In addition to being investigated by the [url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5629/sir-edward-heath-met-also-investigates-claims-of-child-sex-abuse ]Met Police under Operation Midland[/url] (Dolphin Square, MPs, Military bases etc), [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/edward-heath-being-investigated-by-jersey-police-over-child-sex-abuse-claims-10437833.html ]Edward Heath is also being investigated by Jersey Police under Operation Whistle[/url].

This is thanks to the hard work of many campaigners continuing to apply pressure, some of whom have fighting the cause for decades.

This image reportedly shows Heath in the company of [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Wallace ]Colin Wallace[/url], a psychological warfare specialist who is key in exposing the activities at Kincora:

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Kincora was said to be used to film influential people in compromising situations:

as described in this link already supplied...

http://isgp.nl/2009_11_In_brief_beyond_Dutroux_ties_to_US_CIA

This image reportedly shows Heath in the company of Colin Wallace, a psychological warfare specialist who is key in exposing the activities at Kincora:

... and?

Why do you keep posting stuff like this as though it's evidence? It just makes you look desperate.

Famous people meet other famous people [i]all the time.[/i] It's practically a politician's raison d'etre. Pick any two well-known people at random and somewhere on the Internet there's probably a photo of them in the same room. It proves precisely nothing, in fact it implies the opposite; that if that's the best you can do then there probably isn't much more to the "links" you're so fond of.

Is Colin Wallace famous?

Well, you seem to have heard of him. I'm not much into warfare specialists, myself.

Perhaps "famous" is the wrong word. You know what I mean though. (And nicely dodged, again.)

Your edits aside, why are you 'dodging' reading the links?

Scared you might learn something?

Your edits aside, why are you avoiding answering direct questions?

Scared you can't or that your answers will be shown to be wrong?

I suggest we post this each time jhj avoids answering a question or posts a random picture instead.

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Funny thing jhj is that I'm sure you've got lots of information that could inform, if not actually prove your big exciting conspiracy, but as usual you just lose the audience by posting rubbish all around it.

So, to prove me wrong, three questions for you jhj. Designed to allow straight answers. Except if you're a politian in which case just ignore them and answer whatever made up question you fancy.

1. Can all of this abuse (the one by famous people, not by the boring people on council estates in Rotherham, etc) that has taken place ONLY be explained by your big exciting conspiracy?

2. If "NO", do you accept that famous/powerful people are just as likely to be paedos as the rest of the population?

3. If "Yes" given their increased ability to make things happen, bribe, etc. do you accept that there could just be several rings of them doing these things and that sometimes those rings overlap?

I anticipate needing to post my sign but it'd be great if you'd prove me wrong by giving straight answers and them maybe we could have a productive discussion that would help inform those of us who aren't experts but don't want to waste our time watching random links that don't state what is claimed.

This image reportedly shows Heath in the company of Colin Wallace, a psychological warfare specialist who is key in exposing the activities at Kincora:

Eh?

Does the fact that Wallace was photographed with the PM mean he was part of the conspiracy?

Seems odd that he should then go and expose it...

Narrative fail!

1. Can all of this abuse (the one by famous people, not by the boring people on council estates in Rotherham, etc) that has taken place ONLY be explained by your big exciting conspiracy?

2. If "NO", do you accept that famous/powerful people are just as likely to be paedos as the rest of the population?

3. If "Yes" given their increased ability to make things happen, bribe, etc. do you accept that there could just be several rings of them doing these things and that sometimes those rings overlap?

Yes and no answers to leading questions isn't really appropriate to describe what has been occuring...

Does the fact that Wallace was photographed with the PM mean he was part of the conspiracy?

Seems odd that he should then go and expose it...

Thankfully, there are conscientious whistleblowers at various parts of the operation~ as with the many police who are coming forward, testifying to past cover ups from higher up...

It's unlikely they were privy to the full scale of the operation, it may be that it's being pieced together for the 1st time.

So Wallace was a whistleblower rather than part of the conspiracy then?

In that case, what does the photo of him with Heath show us?

jivehoneyjive - Member
you might want to read through the thread in it's entirety...

OR… flay my own scrotum with a hacksaw blade. I think the above might be a winner for most unhinged JHJ quote.

Yes and no answers to leading questions isn't really appropriate to describe what has been occuring.

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what does the photo of him with Heath show us?

Do your own research.

Makes you think doesnt it

No. Not really.

The lizards in the hollowed out moon though, they're what REALLY makes me think.

The lizards in the hollowed out moon though, they're what REALLY makes me think.

Well if you ever bump into Buzz Aldrin don't accuse him of not landing on the Moon.

[i]"You're a coward and a liar and ooofff"[/i]

Absolute classic 🙂

Disappointed but not surprised in your response, jhj. I won't post the sign as JY kindly did it already.

My point that you avoided is that if you won't admit that your Big Exciting Conspiracy isn't the only possible (reasonable if you like) explanation then it's utterly pointless discussing anything on this subject with you. I think most people accept that as unlikely as it is, the BEC is theoretically possible or at a minimum that there has been conspiracy to hide/bury illegal activity but that's not the same as being the only reasonable explanation.

Some of you seem to have confused this with a David Icke thread...

I've already admitted on a number of occasions that there is still some question over the full picture, but there is no doubt whatsoever that there was co-ordinated activity involving the intelligence services and some very high level people, many of whom were associated with Jimmy Savile.

Colin Wallace, having being a psychological warfare expert, involved in Kincora (which has been linked to several similar venues such as Elm Guest House (as apparently has Edward Heath)) does tend to ring a few alarm bells... especially when the head of MI6 has also been implicated:

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there is no doubt whatsoever that there was co-ordinated activity involving the intelligence services and some very high level people, many of whom were associated with Jimmy Savile.

We'll "no doubt whatsoever" is overstating it (again) but I agree that it seems very likely. That however doesn't prove anything about the BEC beyond showing that powerful people have influence which I think we all know. It certainly doesn't provide anything credible about control structures, the Queen or other such wild theories.

Well if (taxpayer funded) MI5 and MI6 have been using children from care homes to blackmail politicians (including the Prime Minister?) over several democratically elected governments, on whose authority have they been doing it?

You repeat that as fact but it's just your theory. You've never provided any proof of that, only that it looks likely that cover ups of dodgy activity happened.

As I stated above, that powerful people have influence and can arrange a cover up or that others arranged it to avoid national embarrassment is hardly surprising nor proof of your control structures or BEC.

It's up to you...

you can choose to think I'm a fruitloop because it's easier for you to dismiss that some properly horrific stuff goes on in the world, or you can trust me, as I've sacrificed a significant chunk of my life to researching the subject.

If you trawl through the forum you'll find that before there was any mainstream news coverage, I mentioned the involvement of:

Leon Brittan
Greville Janner
Lord Mountbatten

among others.

I've been harping on about Jimmy Savile and Edward Heath on Jersey, as mentioned in this mainstream news report for over a year before the story broke:

[url= http://news.sky.com/story/1530217/edward-heath-five-police-forces-investigating ]A fifth police force receives allegations against Sir Edward Heath - amid claims the ex-PM took boys from Jersey out on his boat.[/url]

Yes and I'm pretty sure that most reasonable people haven't said that you're wrong that it looks like there may well be cases to answer. What you've never come remotely close to showing is that you can link them all into your BEC about control structures, the Queen, etc.

Just because some of the things you talk about seem likely to be correct (that several famous people were involved in dodgy activity) does nothing to validate your other wilder claims which is where most of us think you're way off the mark.

I think you provide loads of excellent insight from your research and then spoil it by coming up with conclusions that don't bear scrutiny or are so wildly unlikely in comparison to the more likely explanations that you discredit your own work. It's a real shame you can't see that.

It's a real shame I can't easily convey the depth of research I've done...

Without getting too complex...

What you've never come remotely close to showing is that you can link them all into your BEC about control structures, the Queen, etc.

Is answered by:

Well if (taxpayer funded) MI5 and MI6 have been using children from care homes to blackmail politicians (including the Prime Minister?) over several democratically elected governments, on whose authority have they been doing it?

and

who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

It's a process of deduction...

No, you're reaching your own conclusion and presenting it as fact. If you can't see that then as I said in the previous page,there really is no point discussing since you're completely closed minded about it.
It's conjecture, nothing more because you have no evidence. Deduction only proves something if there is no other possible explanation.

Far more likely than your BEC to explain that is that it was done to avoid national embarrassment/out of a misguided sense of loyalty as is often the case with other cover ups or because the people involved had sufficient influence that they could make it happen.

If I was closed minded, I wouldn't be discussing it with you...

or because the people involved had sufficient influence that they could make it happen.

Who has sufficient influence over a number of different elected governments and across national jurisdictions?

Who has sufficient influence over a number of different elected governments and across national jurisdictions?

You tell us. Go on.