[Closed] "1 in 4 will pay no more tax!"

Don't worry. I've got it covered.
I seem to paying the tax of four ordinary men.

Do Scottish people not all want to pay more tax anyway to fund the socialist utopia you're planning on building? 😉

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with the promise that 1 in 4 Scots will pay no more tax.

Are they referring to the oil workers who will soon all be unemployed?

😉

Is Google setting up a new base in Scotland?

To be fair, it's the first time she's actually spoken about what Labour would actually do, as opposed to just badmouthing the current incumbents.

Which is all a bit pointless really, as Labour have about as much chance in the Scottish elections as Chewkw does of becoming a MEP.

do you mean no more [i]income[/i] tax?

Desperation to avoid being knocked into third place?

It makes no difference. No Labour MSP is confident enough of being elected that they are going down the constituency-only route and they're fighting over the list places now.

Scottish Labour have to do "something" or they will vanish. The bit that most people seem to have missed is the aim of Scottish Labour to pair the austerity cuts on the UK Government - the dreaded Tories - with the austerity cuts of the Scottish Government - SNP.

If the polls are correct, the voters in Scotland will like this.

The popularity of the SNP will wane, it might take a long time, but given their current position it is hard to get more seats, hence the only way is down. Plus the fact that (like all Governments) something will come along to destroy their ability to control the economy. And they cannot keep complaining that the problems are because of Westminster when the tools to manage the economy are being passed over.

Oh great...a tax hike for me, whilst getting precisely f all back in return...

Perhaps there should be a rebate for those that don't use any of these so called fantastic public services, nor ever intend to have children.

1 in 4 Scots will pay no more tax.

How much more will the English guys pay?

Perhaps there should be a rebate for those that don't use any of these so called fantastic public services, nor ever intend to have children.

So you don't think you may benefit in the future from other peoples children going through the education system for example?

One in four workers will pay no more and one in five tax payers will end up better-off financially as a result of the rebate,

Conservative finance spokesman Murdo Fraser questioned how the rebate scheme would work, saying a worker earning £20,000 a year would pay £90 more in income tax and would then have to claim the £100 rebate.

He said: “Kezia Dugdale doesn’t seem to be able to answer even basic questions about how this policy will work.

“Labour is proposing a ridiculous merry-go-round where first Labour takes money off the lowest-paid and then gets the council to hand it back.

“Can Labour tell us today how this is supposed to work? How much will it cost to administer?

It would certainly be simpler if Holyrood had the power to change tax bands rather than just rates.

So they want to raise income tax to protect local council cuts?

Why not just lift council tax or if that hits too many lower income folk then adjust the council tax bands.

Council Tax is another whole world of pain. I think all the parties recognise it has to be drastically changed but none have yet published their plans. Of course, raising CT would be yet another Labour volte-face (not saying that's anything unique).

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Why not just lift council tax

Council tax has been frozen since 2007, I doubt any party wants to be remembered for raising council tax levels. There is no doubt it needs to be reassessed or I'd happily pay and extra 1p on income tax [i]if[/i] it went to the right places.

Yes, and I'd happily pay a bit extra tax if it was going to the right things - problem is I don't trust the Tories to spend it on the right things, and I don't trust Scottish Labour to be able to do simple sums.

So you don't think you may benefit in the future from other peoples children going through the education system for example?

I'm not convinced that I'll see the benefits of a tax hike is all i'm saying.

I'm happy to pay tax, I already pay alot. I just don't feel that pushing the burden on someone like myself, a middle income earner who has never claimed any kind of benefits, receives absolutely zero tax breaks, and will be making very little use of public services including education in future is particularly fair.

Whn I look across the road and see the new build flats which I can't afford to live in, yet around 20% of them are allocated to council tennents whos rent I contribute to, it doesn't to me feel particularly fair...

feel free to disagree..

Very little of public services? Really?

Right now I'd pay more for a functioning train.

This currently borked one is unsatisfactory.

and the SNP, sorry yS, were advocating reducing corporation tax too

you have to smile....

...do people really swallow this guff? Judging by the polls, the answer is worrying 😉

Why worrying for you? As an englisher, it has no effect on you?.

The radio Scotland news reader ripped wee kezias plans to bits, she was adopting a pleading tone, with a bloody news reader. Is she really the best that Labour can offer?.

This is basically an old SNP policy (which I supported) in 1999 nothing has really convinced me that it was a bad idea since then so if labour or the libdems who have come up with a similar policy have their figures right I could support that policy now. I don't expect they have their figures right.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious council tax only covers about 15% of a councils budget so to really make any attempt to protect services you have to increase the grant from central government or business rates but Labour chose not to point that out. They also couldn't guarantee that the money raised by the tax rise would go to protecting services

and will be making very little use of public services including education in future is particularly fair.

Yeah? Seems like you used a fair number of public services before you even clocked on...

perchypanther

Don't worry. I've got it covered.
I seem to paying the tax of four ordinary men.

Sexist 🙁 How about paying for women as well

Its quite clever wording - I read it as "will no longer pay tax" but she actually means "will not pay any additional tax".

I've always said I would vote for the party with big enough balls to put tax up. I'm really hoping someone else comes up with a credible plan.

I'm happy to pay tax, I already pay alot. I just don't feel that pushing the burden on someone like myself, a middle income earner who has never claimed any kind of benefits, receives absolutely zero tax breaks, and will be making very little use of public services including education in future is particularly fair.

Yeah, tax benefit claimants more 🙄

What is your experience if them, and council tenants?

Ooh I forgot. Poor you!

I would pay a bit more tax. Would be good to see a better GP service where I live.

I'm happy to pay tax, I already pay alot. I just don't feel that pushing the burden on someone like myself, a middle income earner

If you pay a lot of tax, I'm guessing you're not a middle income earner.

For reference, the median full time salary is around £27k, I think.

I'd be happy to follow the Scandinavian examples of very high tax but heavily subsidised public services like free education, dentistry, trains that run frequently and on time etc.

I just don't think the British are ready for such a system, it would be taken advantage of very quickly.. Those awarded contracts would simply line thier pockets and deliver substandard services, if they even deliver them at all before they cream a chunk and resign as a failure before retiring to a luxury beach house in Antigua.

bencooper - Member
Scottish Labour proudly announcing their new tax plan with the promise that 1 in 4 Scots will pay no more tax.

Crikey 25% unemployable in Scotland predicted by Scottish Labour? 😆

Vote Labour at your peril eh ... You lot needs more handouts!

Nobeerinthefridge - Member
... as opposed to just badmouthing the current incumbents.

Which is all a bit pointless really, as Labour have about as much chance in the Scottish elections as Chewkw does of becoming a MEP.

teamhurtmore - Member
and the SNP, sorry yS, were advocating reducing corporation tax too

you have to smile....

...do people really swallow this guff? Judging by the polls, the answer is worrying

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Nobeerinthefridge - Member
Why worrying for you? As an englisher, it has no effect on you?.

What worries me (not sure if it's the same as THM) is the lack of understanding by the general public on things like tax and the economy. We have people marching, chanting, ranting, complaining etc. but very few actually pay any attention to the details and the policies. There are complaints of a dumbed down media but that is really a chicken and egg question did they dumb it down or did the audience demand it?
Politicians can get away with policies that do nothing but sound good and the whole thing keeps on moving.

mattyfez - Member
I'd be happy to follow the Scandinavian examples of very high tax but heavily subsidised public services like free education, dentistry, trains that run frequently and on time etc.

I just don't think the British are ready for such a system, it would be taken advantage of very quickly.. Those awarded contracts would simply line thier pockets and deliver substandard services,

It doesn't highlight anything. It's just an unsubstantiated assertion about how the private sector operates.

Are we sure the statement wasn't "1 in 4 will pay? No! More tax!"

What worries me (not sure if it's the same as THM) is the lack of understanding by the general public on things like tax and the economy.

Indeed, and the fact that politicians know this and play on it - with yS and the deceipt that was the book of dreams being possibly the worst example of this eg, currency, debt, tax and spending - you name it, they abused it.

The idea that "this has no effect on you (us)" is another good example. Either that, or it is simple nationalistic myopia. In that case it illustrates the hypocrisy that lies deep in these debates (sadly)

Indeed, and the fact that politicians know this and play on it - with yS and the deceipt that was the book of dreams being possibly the worst example of this eg, currency, debt, tax and spending - you name it, they abused it.

I could point to all the promises made by the No campaign that never came to pass, or all the things they threatened would happen after independence, which happened anyway.

Basically, lots of policy announcements can be summed up with "We're going to do something to someone else, not you."

In some ways this highlights the inability of the public sector to manage contracts.

Possibly, but doesn't it also show that we're obsessed with outsourcing and privatization?

Having worked in/with the public sector plus seen it from my OH's view in/with the public sector the last thing they need is more of our money to spend/waste.

I've mentioned it before, but take a look at this - and see some of what it's been spent on.

Yesterday for example:

http://www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk/search/show/Search_View.aspx?id=FEB233015

£250k for a Ticketing System!

Why hasn't the UK Govt procured one and just adds licences etc, instead every body goes out and waste loads of money.

While I pay my taxes, I'm not happy to pay more without good reason.

A jargon fest!!

Isn't the Scottish Labour Party saying what it'll do once in power a bit like me outlining my plans for when I become the pope?

That link makes no sense to me what the hell is a Digital University, one where everyone learns in binary?

I don't fully get the page, but surely a University contract is to provide a service to them as an independent institution and not funded by central government.

Possibly, but doesn't it also show that we're obsessed with outsourcing and privatization?

Not necessarily, there will always be things that councils, NHS, etc. won't or can't do in house. Outsourcing isn't necessarily good or bad, it's an option and the quality depends how you use it and how you manage it.

Outsourcing isn't necessarily good or bad, it's an option and the quality depends how you use it and how you manage it.

SShhh, its called closet privatisation... 😉

[i]I don't fully get the page, but surely a University contract is to provide a service to them as an independent institution and not funded by central government.[/i]

Universities are public sector. Who pays for them? Taxpayers.

Ahh Scottish Labour.

A talent pool shallower than a car park puddle.

For all the chance they have of getting back into power they might as well propose some fun stuff, instead of this boring tax nonsense.

A Scottish moon shot perhaps, the rocket will be powered by all the hot air that Kezia Dugdale emits

Universities are public sector. Who pays for them? Taxpayers.

Bllx, those fees I have been paying are a scam????

I did think "Crap,I will be worse off." But it is labour,they are all currently scrambling for the party list as they have so little confidence in being first pick. As stated above,Labour could offer free unicorns to every OAP as a counter to the bus passes etc,and it will never be tested.

[i]Bllx, those fees I have been paying are a scam???? [/i]

Google it, on average you're only paying 50-55% of your fees/loan back - and then there is the other monies they receive.

Phew 😀

Well UK Universities do get their fair share of money from the government but by no means solely, they have a pretty wide source of revenue streams and all are considered and run as independent bodies.