New Trance X Advanced E+ Elite Just 18.8kg @ 400wh

‘Trance X Advanced E+ Elite’ is quite a mouthful for sure

Sounds expensive too...

*Scrolls down...

£13k for the 18.8kg model. Yep!

Rather than just the press release lets have some info on both the warranty and post warranty support for the motor and battery.

In short, you can’t get this motor or battery on any other brand of bike. It’s all locked down to Giant.

Based on what I've read recently about Giant ebikes, that can only be a good thing 😉

Who had post #2 in the first mention of warranty sweepstakes? 🙂

Expensive.
Proprietary tech.
Giant.

Naw, I'll pass thanks.

would not touch with anyones bargepole

Expensive.
Proprietary tech.
Giant.

Naw, I’ll pass thanks.

Also fugly. Did they design a shorter bike then shift the headtube further away at the last minute?

Why do they put the weight in the press release but not in the spec sheet. Are they not confident enough in it's accuracy?

Did they design a shorter bike then shift the headtube further away at the last minute?

Actual LOL.

And I get the feeling Giant is just dead to this forum now. They shouldn't even bother trying.

I was just walking along today when I thought to myself... "I'd never buy a Giant".

I'll never buy lots of things, but that's the one that popped into my head.
Lots of other thoughts popped in as well... Mainly that my feet were hurting and I should have taken the ebike instead of the size 9 Salomon's.

That bar/stem mess is the definition of a solution looking for a problem. Utterly pointless

That's 21 w/kg!

Better let the folks at the 4 w/kg thread know that they no longer need to bother obsessvely emaciating themselves.

Who had post #2 in the first mention of warranty sweepstakes?

everyone!

*on rubbish hotel internet with not great pictures.

Has it got cables thru the headset as well as a one piece stembar.

We just need cables thru the rear shock bearings and other advances like internal brake levers to make it even more desirable, at least they haven’t enclosed the shock or forks (have they), also a non replaceable mech hanger would probably save quite a lot of weight.

Who had post #2 in the first mention of warranty sweepstakes?

Who had a nice trip to Utah at Giant’s expense? 😉

£13,000 - never mind a car, you could buy a low mileage van for that!

I watched a couple of vids last night about this bike, a couple of thoughts:

1 It's ugly
2 Both vids mentioned the claimed weight, neither weighed it (on video)
3 A 400wh battery and a full-fat motor will have barely enough range for a unfit rider to do the Blue at Glentress
4 The vast majority of eBike's have the ability to turn the power/torque right down

I'm purposely ignoring the price as it's fully decked out in the most expensive components.

The stem bar thing with its 14 shims looks like an answer to a non-existent problem creating a brand new problem that didn't have to exist. I'm sure it looks nice, but really?

In a more macro sense, arguably it would be better if ebike manufacturers were moving towards common standards for batteries and for motor mountings rather than creating unique, brand-specific batteries that'll no doubt cost huge amounts to replace when they expire a few years down the line and motors which fail repeatedly and are hard, bordering on impossible, to repair.

What's the likely cost of a replacement battery?

How much attention has been paid to the sealing and overall durability and serviceability of the motor?

I suspect we already know the answers to those: A: A shedload of cash thanks to the unique cells. B: None.

I watched an EMBN vid on it last night, and they were saying how brilliant it was at 18.8kg with a good spec (no shortcuts to get the weight down). Well **** me at £13k it should be possible to do that.

So when you look at a more 'normal' priced version, which is still stupid money IMO (£6k) is the spec still so earth shattering? Oh and how much does the normal bike weigh? 25kg ?

This is why I still dont subscribe to STW. Start doing real world reviews of bikes we might actually ride, or at least compare the unobtainable version against the one we might be able to afford.

I like having a proper port for lights. Rest is meh.

I watched the EMBN vid too, Steve J kept banging on about how it's super light weight and like two bikes, a low and a high power bike - but neglected to mention it's 13k! The alternative would be to buy two bikes for less than half the cost - especially in this year's sales.......

Fully expect giant to soon have a % off sale like specialized

It could be an interesting proposition.

An 'affordable'  (£5.5k) Orbea Rise still weighs ~ 22kg, not the headline grabbing 16kg which is the same kind of cost as this bike.

If the 'affordable' version of this bike is still around that 22kg mark then it makes things like the Orbea Rise appear a waste of money. But will it be more like 25kg which makes it the same as any full fat eMTB

It could be an interesting proposition.

An ‘affordable’ (£5.5k) Orbea Rise still weighs ~ 22kg, not the headline grabbing 16kg which is the same kind of cost as this bike.

If the ‘affordable’ version of this bike is still around that 22kg mark then it makes things like the Orbea Rise appear a waste of money. But will it be more like 25kg which makes it the same as any full fat eMTB

from looking at the specs of each model , I would guess that the bottom of the range giant will come in around the same weight as the bottom of the range rise - so around 22kg. I dont think the giant will be up at 25kg - however the tyres specced on all the models are pretty lightweight, which if where/how you ride allows you to get away with those then great, but I'd be looking at adding half a kilo or more of decent strength tyres to the weight of each model.

£13k. the bike industry is ****ing itself

from looking at the specs of each model , I would guess that the bottom of the range giant will come in around the same weight as the bottom of the range rise – so around 22kg.

So that does make it a good proposition, a powerful bike, decent battery and low ish weight.

"This is why I still don't subscribe to STW. Start doing real world reviews of bikes we might actually ride, or at least compare the unobtainable version against the one we might be able to afford."

This isn't a review. It's a launch story.
I have a first ride review ready to go in an hour or so.
We had no choice of what models to ride while were on the launch. Launches are always propaganda for the brand so they naturally make sure we are on the best possible model. Heck! We had engineers on hand before during and after the ride to make sure everything was set up as well as possible. It's not a real world situation at all.
My review is a first ride impressions based on the two rides we had in the desert - again. Not real world by any stretch.
And one final heads up - I like the bike. I don't like the top two models and even if I had the money I wouldn't buy them. The model 2 and 3 would be my preference EVEN if money was no object. My reasons will be in the video I'm about to set free.

After these launches we always put in a request to get a test bike to the office so we can follow up with a real world test in more realistic, shitty conditions and we typically will ask that they DON'T send us the top spec model.

Actually... Here you go. The video is here - Forum exclusive 🙂

This isn’t a review. It’s a launch story.
I have a first ride review ready to go in an hour or so.

Thats fair enough, and I guess from Giant's point of view it has worked as it tweaked my interest. Your vid is informative. Again would be great to see the real world version of the bike reviewed 🙂

What I havent seen so far, is can the torque setting be done on the fly ie on the bar, or do you have to get your mobile phone out to do it? Would be great if you can use/conserve power on the go.

Looks nice until it breaks then you’ll be stuffed. I’ll be looking at an ebike in a few years I reckon but giant will not be on the list.

Firt ride impressions story here

https://singletrackworld.com/charged/2023/03/giant-trance-x-advanced-e-elite-first-ride-impressions/

Looks nice until it breaks then you’ll be stuffed

But all ebikes are like that with their stupidly limited warranties

🙂

But all ebikes are like that with their stupidly limited warranties

Some of them are worse than others. With non-standard cells making up the battery pack and Giants own electronics in the motor then even if the 2 year warranty is perfect then post warranty support is also important. It's very unlikely to be provided by the aftermarket and they've previously been poor at making parts available.

FWIW I got a Rise M20 and it’s a real
World 18.8kg all in with pedals and proper tyres. Assegai/DHR. Cost £6k or in reality a bit less as LBS discounted. -10%

Not top of range nor 16-17kg. But equally not a £13k Giant!

For me the Rise still the sweet spot. Lighter than most but not compromising on power like the Levo to get to sub-18kg. Not silly money (all relative of course) for decent spec either.

I’ve owned a 22kg+ lump and wouldn’t go back. Nor would I spend on that Giant whatever the spec when Rise offers more in my view.

The proprietary battery is going to be the thing that sets this apart and puts people off. Are these cells readily available on the aftermarket and what will it do to the resale @ 2yrs+ if they're not?

I expect these cells to become the new standard cell. They are used not just in bike batteries but also electric cars so, due to their higher energy discharge and storage capacity they will most likely end up ubiquitous in the EV market before too long.