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according to the turner website.. there is a scale relating to how tough/heavy your bike needs to be to meet the demands of the riding you are likely to be doing..
1. XC
2. trail
3. all mountain
4. freeride
5. downhill
seems preeeety flipping self explanatory to me
Maybe none of them are mountain bikes. They all need a track under them and are useless for crossing the terrain you find on mountains without a ready made track. They're just [insert trendy market segment] track [/insert trendy market segment] bikes.
I want the cycling equivalent of one of those forestry tractors that just go wherever they want 🙂
Something that would let me go through stuff like this and peatbog etc
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Why would you want to slog over that when there are so many good tracks to ride? 😉
I think it's kind of like XXXC except that's more of a way of life.
wtf is a "marathon fully"
Seeing as everyone else has ignored this, I'll have a go:
I'd guess it's a marathon full suspension bike. As I understand it, marathon bikes are like XC race bikes but designed to be a little more forgiving when you're 20 hours or 200 miles into your marathon race. So they may have a little more travel or have slightly slacker geometry to your traditional XC race bike but are still focused on being pretty light and efficient to pedal. Not all brands make much the distinction, but some do. E.g. Cannondale's Scalpel is an XC race bike, but it's Rush is more of a marathon bike.
stilltortoise - Member
Why would you want to slog over that when there are so many good tracks to ride?
Why restrict yourself to tracks?
Being able to cycle off track = more freedom of movement.
Current mtbs are really dirt track bikes of varying degrees of gnarliness.
The true mountainbike has yet to be invented 🙂
[i]But that's just the point, it isn't obvious.[/i]
It is to me cos I ride All Mountain. There are those that ride XC in mountains...up fireroads and down fireroads or easy trails. A lot of that over here in europe and there are those that ride the mountains.
Not being smug or anything but its not a 'marketing' term, it really is obvious. You Can Ride The Whole Mountain. Up and Down.
See here
or here
or here
http://vimeo.com/12968847
mr plow - Member
XC in pyjamas
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Where do you get those bikes with Fat tyres?
Is it just Wildfire that do them or are they more common place?
according to the turner website.. there is a scale relating to how tough/heavy your bike needs to be to meet the demands of the riding you are likely to be doing..1. XC
2. trail
3. all mountain
4. freeride
5. downhillseems preeeety flipping self explanatory to me
hmm... i'd put freeride bikes as needing to be heavier/stronger than downhill bikes.
freeride: big hucks and crashing.
Downhill: light is fast.
... just an opinion though.
LOL Scruff looks more like Andy Pandy
Yer Freeride should be at the top of the list
much heavier and stronger
All Mountain some thing like these bike set ups
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Its marketing bollx.
For once I actually agree wth TJ.
it's 80110x in the same way that powder skis are the same as cross-country skis.
(they mostly are the same, but differ in lots of lovely important details, and detail, is everything)
For once I disagree with TJ
For once I disagree with TJ
Most of us - even the bumblies - are a lot more demanding on kit than we were 20 years ago. If I rode my old Spesh Hard Rock - steel, full rigid - the same way I do my modern bikes, it would fall to bits. Rims would buckle, frames would crack...
You couldn't ride a old rigid bike "as hard" as you ride a modern full sus bike all else being equal with the rider and trails. A modern bike will always allow you to stretch your skills further so you could not ride in the same way with you old bike.
A more gnar bike does not make you a more gnar rider but it allows you to ride in a seemingly more gnar way due to to the advantages allowed by the equipment.
This term mincing has nothing todo with the bike you ride, riding a ultra light xc bike does not mean you are mincing and conversely riding a DH machine does not mean your riding sick^rad.
Its a bit of marketing... The mtb industary is now huge and is based on branding and marketing. After all most of the UK kit is made in the same factories in the far east. Technology has improved so that now you can bike down the side ofa mountain in more comort and with less skill. I think you will find that 10 years ago, people were blasting down the same mountains we bike down now as fast and as hard but with low tech bikes (relative to now) with a lot more skill. I have seen guys ride the megavalanche on hardtails, enduro bikes, all mountain bikes, downhill bikes. All riding the same bit of land, same terrain....
you're into Confucius aren't you?
chakaping - MemberHaven't you got anything more important to get angry about?
no, not anything pressing....
the whole thing just pees me off a bit. what (and how) i ride with this FS isn't any different to how i'd be riding if i were using my Alpine. why do bits break? because they're crap, i think.
TBH, i'm really not a fan of FS. i think each new MTBer should ride HT for a good few years before jumping over the fence and sitting on a fully.
fullys seem to breed bad pratice. the number of guests that stay seated even on the downhill sections, it's crazy.
so all mountain is a form of biking a lot like xc mincing but in the mountains?
**** it, i'm still getting paid.
A more gnar bike does [s]not [/s]make you a more gnar rider [s]but [/s] because it allows you to ride in a [s]seemingly [/s]more gnar way due to to the advantages allowed by the equipment.
Fixed it for you
Aren't some of us being a bit Luddite here? Why can't someone go straight onto a fully and get all the advantages it gives? Should everyone start MTBing on a rigid clunker with caliper brakes and dodgy gears? What technology is OK to have on your first MTB?
Going off topic.... question was 'wtf is "all mountain"'
Its a marketing ploy to sell you another bike. btw i have a yeti 575 so it worked.
All Mountain (Bike) will be the new All Terrain Bike (aka ATB). What goes round comes around...
"Specialized"You realise of course that is the iccorect speeling of the wurd?
Unless it was intentional: in which case was far too subtle for this board (but it made me LOL)
Erm, oops. I shall defend myself by pointing out that I am actually living in a country where this is accepted spelling, and that I spend a lot of time reading about Specialized Bikes. Although really it is indefensible.
Actually I clearly spend too much time looking up Spesh stuff, as attempting to type "specialised" required several attempts to not hit the "zee" button 😉