[Closed] Would you buy a (new) fatbike for ~£1k?

Once you go fat you'll never go back

This is what I'm finding - don't miss my now sold Chief and Zero one bit, which says a lot. I'm fattyriders mate and live on the Chase too.
We are already planning a trip to Degla this Spring on the fattys - can't wait!

Someone asked about pressures on a Bluto equipped fatty? well, running JJ's tubed (for now) and Sunday dropped it to 8 front 9 rear and it felt really good, so will probably stick at that for now and go a bit lower once tubeless. 14 stone+ something rider.

rickmeister : they`re slx ht2 that have come off the son in laws santa cruz but I was under the impression that the spindle will be too short?

northwind : nope on the welding,only tried it once many years ago and it looked like pidgeon shit when Id done. can I use any 100mm race face cranks? spotted a couple of sets on ebay as Im trying to cheap the expense down.

The axel on SLX cranks will be too short - Shimano don't make any fat bike cranks. The bb however will fit without the 'protective' internal sleave.

100mm race face cranks will fit but you'll need the specific one for your rear hub width IE 170/77 or 190/97mm as they come with different Qwidths which effect the chain alignment on your cassette.

rickmeister was mixing up the BB and the cranks I think.

The raceface crank sizing is kinda weird. Like, I got 100mm Aeffects but there's a 177mm rear and a 197mm rear version. DUne obviously has a 197 rear but the 177mm version fits beautifully and the 197mm was way wider than it had to be. So you need to figure out what's going to work.

thanks guys,this simple drive train swap obviously aint as simple as I thought it was going to be.
northwind,with you being the official DORC (well,at least thats how Ive seen you reffered to) I guess I`ll be looking at 177mm,is that achieved by using 7mm worth of spacers?
would this be suitable?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/race-face-ride-fat-bike-cranks-with-bb/

No spacers required the 170 and 177mm cassette alignment is the same, only the axel are different widths at the dropouts. So a 170/77mm crank set will fit fine.

right,i`m slowly understanding this fat malarky 😯
Ill be going with normal 104 bcd pattern,ive never looked at the r/f cinch system up to til now,must admit it looks very versatile and clean but it`ll have to be the cheaper option for now.
thanks for the help.

I'd check the Ride q factor and chainline against the Aeffect one- the weird thing is, they're not all the same.

how about this idea as a stop gap? keep the original cranks and bb but ditch the twin rings for a narrow/wide and match up to 11-40 cassette with zee mech & shifter.i know the zee works well with a 40t as Ive run that on my last full suss.im thinking I may have to tweek it a bit but should get a useable chainline?

Yeah, that'll work a charm- sorry, I'd assumed you needed new cranks! I'd have kept using the stock ones but I mangled them by not tightening them right, I'm out of practice with square taper... They're hefty but they do the job just fine.

yeah sorry, I should have said at the start the reason for swapping brakes n drivetrain was simply because between me and the son in law we had everything to upgrade but obviously didn't realise the crank spindle length issue. trying to do it cheap as poss, I`m a yorkshireman after all 😀

I suppose I could get rid of the lasco cranks too.

My mate has the Ride cranks on his Dune. I'm still running the Lascos, did anybody work out what the standard bearings are?

11-42T cassette works fine with Zee r.mech - I run it with a goatlink which made a decent improvement on shifting/backpedaling.

Saint shifters are only £35 at CRC - nice action on them.

EDIT - just checked and they are currently £39.49

@Mugboo, I did but it's some oddball size. Not unobtainable but I couldn't find a quality brand version.

Thanks

I could never get slick shifting when using 42t/zee but 42/xt was fine,as was 40/zee.

Did you try a Goatlink? I guess it makes the difference.

no I didn`t know about the goatlink at the time.

so after my bleating on Friday of last week I bit the bullet and I am now part of the Dune Fat Club. I have already changed the brakes over, but this BB/crank thing is doing my conkers. I have a 10 spd xt 11-32 cassette and xt rear mech. Just ordered the standard (!) race face ride fat 100mm crank ( http://www.wiggle.co.uk/race-face-ride-fat-bike-cranks-with-bb/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=5360657435&kpid=5360657435&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=UK_PLA_Components&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mkwid%7CswSHTGkvz_dc%7Cpcrid%7C67090789142%7Cpkw%7C%7Cpmt%7C%7Cprd%7C5360657435uk) in 100 x 175 mm - going to pair this with a works 32t narrow wide - I can't find any further information to help me work out the q-factor - I am sure someone else has used this set up but can for life of me find it in the 51 pages of this threat....someone pat my head and tell me it will be fine before I cancel my wiggle order 🙂

Lee

Shhhhhhhhh.....
*pats head*
It'll be fine. 😀

This is the dimension you want - [url= http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_tp-z.html#tread ]sheldon brown[/url] for the q-factor/tread

If anybody needs a brand new medium fatty trail frame in blue I have one on its way. I bought a bundle for the fork and reverb.

Lee - welcome aboard.

Any reason not to go down the Aeffect crank route? Just being that's its a known quantity is all

Any reason not to go down the Aeffect crank route? Just being that's its a known quantity is all

Mmm well apart from sheer bloody-mindedness and the fact I couldn't find one place that had the right Aeffect crank in stock - I have done any number of searches but couldn't find the one that matched the ones being used by others on here (you're going to go straight to one now aren't you !:))

Worst case scenario is I just return the ride fat and find the cinch Aeffecf ones !

Best

Lee

http://slam69.co.uk/raceface-ffect-cranks-arms-only-16504-p.asp

Available in 170mm length here. I ordered 175s from them last year and they sent 170s, they offered a refund/swap but I used them anyways and have zero qualms with them.

The Rides would prolly work just fine, I just have a lot of love for the Cinch interface on the Aeffect, and the set up works really well with an offset N/W ring.

If it helps at all I have a brand new Hope Ceramic Fat BB in purple that I could part with a good discount to a fellow fatster in distress, or even my current used Hope SS version in silver if budgeting

This isn't the right time, but imo being able to go with a small chainring can be a pretty big deal on a fatbike. Though you might be doubling on the Ride? But I have a 32T on my normalbikes, I wouldn't want that on the Dune.

Hi NW
My intention was to go single 1 x 10 with the ride fat cranks - the option for 32t was the old 'it's what I have in the shed' scenario BUT now I have been looking at ratios you might have a point - although I can't say I ever make life simple for myself !

So maybe I need a little bit of a rethink !

Ratios you say?
[url= http://www.gear-calculator.com ]Fiddle with this[/url]

All will appear simple

sram make fatbike cranks too. i don't suppose they are as good as the raceface ones, but they are cheaper (€99 including the 30t chain ring.)

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=129224;menu=1000,2,88;mid%5B70%5D=1;orderby=2

not certain that they fit though. i did do the research and posted it up on page 39 of this thread and i looked at offsets and things and it looks as if the NX cranks would fit fine.

meanwhile i just bought a 30t wide-narrow chain-ring for mine and i will use it with the Lasco which is fine, if a little heavy. (bloody heavy)

For the back end this 1x11 upgrade kit is pretty good value (€139): https://www.bike-components.de/en/SRAM/NX-1x11-fach-Upgrade-Kit-p48765/

or this if you prefer SLX (€159):

https://www.bike-components.de/en/Shimano/SLX-1x11-speed-Upgrade-Kit-2017-Model-p50818/

but i went for the sunrace 11-46, (much lighter than the NX and with the extra teeth!) with this kit from bike discount de (€168):

SunRace MX8 11-speed Cassette 11-46: €66,04
Shimano SLX 11-speed Rear Derailleur RD-M7000 GS Shadow+: €53,79
Shimano SLX 11-speed Rapidfire PLUS SL-M7000 right: €30,40
KMC X11-93 Chain 11-speed (BULK-Package): €18,25

30t up front for me, 32 was too tough. 11-42 rear.

i will be 30T with 11-46 sunrace. (which is €66)

I run 30T 11-42 sunrace - ratio is good but as I'm really out of shape at the moment I'm becoming very 26T /28T curious

I took the plunge last week and bought a Calibre Dune, £522 in store with the January 10% discount. I have changed the handlebars for some Jones Loop bars, fitted some fetching green pedals and grips and some M355 hydraulic brakes that a colleague had lying around. There is also a green seat clamp on the way.

I am planning to convert it to 1 x 10 or 1 x 11 at some point, probably with a Sunrace 11-46 cassette. I have some old Deore LX cranks with 36/24 rings the will replace the stock cranks and save a bit of weight in the meantime.

I've not had a proper ride yet as I am recovering from shoulder surgery, hopefully I will get the all clear from the physio on Friday.

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I run a 28T oval chainring with an 11-42 sunrace cassette. Had to use a Raceface AEffect crankset as you can't get oval chainrings less than 30T for 104BCD spiders.

So I got the Mulefut SL80s fitted tonight and set up tubeless. Boy, what a difference a tubeless ready rim makes! The tyres went up so easy and seated with such a loud ping that I nearly jumped through the garage roof.

The bike now weighs 14.54, was 15.09 with the Dune wheels (plus one tube). For a full fat with dropper post, Floaters and Bluto that's probably not quite as heavy as you might expect. Putting rigid fork back on saves a kilo.
I'd imagine my current set up plus the Juggernauts fitted for dry season will be around 13.5kg

13.5kg sounds achievable - my rigid felt is 12.7 with a brandx dropper and nates, but the wheels are a kilo lighter than stock.
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Currently has a 30t and a sunrace 11/42 cassette.

My Athleteshop order arrived, 4.0" and 4.4" snakeskin JJs as hoped for, despite the slightly ambiguous page for the 4.4"s being listed as "wired."

Visually, plus using a teaspoon handle with a fingernail (absolute scientific measuring 😉 ), the knobbly tread depth seems exactly the same on both the 4.0" and 4.4".

Given how some have commented on the 4.8s having noticably deeper knobbly tread, I presumed the 4.4s would be somewhere inbetween.

Just hope I'm not going to regret not ordering a 4.8" for that amazing ~£42 price, after all this time I really should have at least fitted one of my existing 4.0" JJs on the Rear Disc Spaced Fatty front wheel I bought to use with the RDS Fatty Carbon fork, to then guage how the 70mm rim affects the tyre shape and at least guesstimate if 4.8" would fit.

All

Following my experimentation with the ride fat crank I can safely say it works and from what I can tell the q-factor is virtually the same as the original cranks.Running the race face 100mm BB as well with one spacer non-drive and two drive side - 32 up front at the moment which I know won't be the easiest but for now it will do - chain line is pretty much bob on with the 10 speed cassette as well.

Test ride around Rutland Water this Saturday and then hopefully the Chase in a few weekends. It would be good to see if we can get a STW Dune Owners bimble organised over the Chase as there seems to be a few of us over that way 🙂

Lee

Glad to hear it. Hope your shakedown ride works out. I'd probably travel in order to be part of the most nuclear Fat back gathering in history

We have to try it don't we - I can just imaging the looks 🙂 I am sure they'd be able to spot us from space....what is the collective noun for a group of fat bikers on Dunes? 🙂

Lee

It would be good to see if we can get a STW Dune Owners bimble organised over the Chase as there seems to be a few of us over that way

lee, did you go for 170 or 190 cranks?

I'd suggest 'A Brightness' of Dune owners.

Blimey, let me know when you're all out, I'll make sure I've got my sunnies ready.