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I'm not sure whether to be proud of myself or to curse myself as stupid but I wAlked away from Halfords without buying the Voodoo yesterday. Last one they had with no more coming. Even the wife was telling me to buy it but I couldn't seen to justify another bike to myself.
Going to kick myself later in sure.
Go and get it now!
zippykona - Member
Go and get it now!
+1
Or head to the Doctors as clearly you must be feeling unwell 😉
Dahedd, I'm only 2 rides in and I'm hooked - it's such a different kind of experience that I feel completely justified in upping my N quota!
Get a Dune, it's cheaper, and makes you feel even more shiny inside
Been following this thread from the start. Finally took the jump and got myself a fattie, loving it so far. Biggest surprise is how quick it goes. Had it knocking on 50mph downhill and I'm already beating the times I've made on my 150mm trail bike.
Just need to set it up tubeless because the punctures are bloody annoying. Seem to get one every ride at the moment.
What one did you get Painey?
Yeah I'm not keen to go back to tubes myself so will attempt to go tubeless myself soon - have just read of enough issues with sealing these cheaper rims to keep me from diving right in.
Will probably attempt ghetto 24" tubeless as it seems most reliable system, albeit the heavier option.
Fitted the JJ i purchased from Northwind today! Blew straight up tubeless with no faff at all! Result! beaded perfectly and has shed some weight from the old girl too! Bonus.
Vee Rubber Vee8 folders are £19.99 in the CRC sale. Fairly mixed reviews, seems like they could be ok for SDW type trails. Anyone used them?
I've got a pair, hey effectively came free with Fatty's at one point with one of on-ones part clearing builds and a voucher code.
They're faster than floaters, and a bit lighter, but not in the same ballpark for grip. They do make you feel like Valentino Rossi on the road though! As I run tubeless I've not re-fitted them as it would be more faff thn they're worth. As you say though, probably good for summer bridleway riding or you live somewhere that doesn't tend to turn t loose dust when it's dry. If I trashed a floater I might put one on the rear.
Yeah I'm not keen to go back to tubes myself so will attempt to go tubeless myself soon - have just read of enough issues with sealing these cheaper rims to keep me from diving right in.Will probably attempt ghetto 24" tubeless as it seems most reliable system, albeit the heavier option.
Split 20" or 24" tube, cut a ~70mm strip out of an old camping mat to fill the rim, and bobs yer uncle. Also check the OEM rim strips, I saved almost as much weight ditching those for 3M tape as going tubeless itself!
slimjim78 - MemberYeah I'm not keen to go back to tubes myself so will attempt to go tubeless myself soon - have just read of enough issues with sealing these cheaper rims to keep me from diving right in.
It took some experimenting but I've got 2 different variants on mine and they both work really well. I ditched the tubes- which did work well, with foam- and now I have on one end, the rim taped then foam over that to bulk up the rim bed, then plastic wrap over that to make it airtight. Works a charm but a pain to change tyres as it tends to mess up the wrap.
On the other, which I slightly prefer, I got some 80mm pvc tape- basically monster electric tape, I think it's for floor marking in factories and the like. So it's rim tape, then foam again, but instead of the plastic wrap the entire rim bed's taped over to make it airtight. Works better than the plastic so far just because it's durable, I've switched tyres a couple of times and it's been fine.
Oh, car valves or maybe motorbike valves on both, just because it's drilled for schrader (I did try the big fat presta valves I have but they didn't work- the rim was too thin so the lockring didn't bottom out)
They both weigh within a couple of grams of each other. It's a faff to get it working but once it works both versions seem grand. I've only used a few tyres on it- some JJs, a Bud and a Minion- but they've all gone up pretty easily and stayed up.
I can't get my head around the requirement for the foam layer. Can you explain why it's needed to build the rim bed up? If the rim is airtight, it's airtight, right?
So the tyre 'should' inflate onto the bead if given a sufficient puff off air?
In my mind, I'm guessing that the foam mearly acts as an air volume reducer in order to bring down the required amount of initial air to seat the tyre.. Is that right?
In other words, is it not possible to seal the rim with several layers of that heavy duty PVC tape, and then blow the tyre onto the rim?
I guess the risk is loosing the tyre off the rim when on the trail, and not having means to get it reinflated onto the rim?
Just air gaps really- the rim bed is big and the tyres have lots of movement and curl in them so without the foam you can have such a big gap between tyre and rim, that there's no chance it's going on. (you're only foaming the middle btw, the beads only have tape/wrap on them, the way I do it). And the tyre's air volume is 4-5 times the size of a normal tyre too so every pump has less effect.
No chance it's going back on trailside, regardless, ime, tube job. But then I've never had much luck fitting a normal tubeless tyre with anything less than a trackpump either
Zippy- yes, I too find Floaters tend to wander about a bit on soft mud; not too bad on the flat, awful on 'some' downhills. Seems to depend on the character of the mud. Minion FBF is much less prone to this, quite noticeable that it is better at staying pointed straight ahead.
Have been unsuccessful so far in getting the FBF to work with an On-one rim, so may have to bite the bullet and buy a replacement rim as well. The Minion has still not remained seated correctly at the lower pressures that I'm liking to use.
What Northwind said, without the foam (or pallet wrap) the tyre is just floating around in the middle of the rim with a big (5mm) gap all round, no chance of getting it up without a compressor, and if it did, it may peel off under heavy cornering (AKA burping).
With foam you mimic the inside wall of a narrower rim, which fatties don't have or we'd be talking about rims 3x heavier than Stans Flows as well as 3x wider. Which makes them easier to inflate, and also maintains a bit of a seal when they do burp.
The proper solution is a £350 set of double walled carbon rims from light bike, but more than the Dune's worth by the time you add hubs!
Highlandman are you struggling due to tubeless ?
I worked on the logic with my OOF that yes the wheels were goign to cost more than the bike (well nearly) but I was enjoyign the fat bike so much the chances would be that i would upgrade to a better frame and swap the kit over. I am now waiting for the Smokestone Henderson to be launched by Slam. Then will swap my kit over. Only a couple more weeks to wait!
Henderson looks good, what's the pricing likely to be?
What one did you get Painey?
I got a Cube Nutrail second hand. I was waiting for the large Dune to come into stock but factored that once I'd added the upgrades it'd be getting on for £1k. I saw the cube going for less than that and as the seller was close to where I work went and had a look.
Absolutely loving the way it rides. This might sound odd but I find it a lot easier to manual/wheelie than other bikes I own. That said I'm rubbish at that kind of stuff.
[url= http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/using-stretch-wrap-tubeless-mulefut-rims-floater-larry-3-8-tires-pictures-978927.html ]Packing wrap method with pics.[/url]
Just make sure it is properly tight and you wont have any problems, and if you want to swap tyres, it takes less than 10mins to re-wrap the rim and throw a tyre on.
Ok, will try ghetto and if no joy the fatty stripper stuff looks promising.
easier to manual/wheelie than other bikes I own.
100%!! No-one told me that fatty tyres are essentially wheelie cushions! 10mins into my first ride i was promptly pulling my best wheelies for, well, forever!
Unfortunately I took it a bit too far at the park and landed straight on my monkey bone - writhed in agony for a while whilst the local yoofs laughed at my plight.
Still, nothing a day's best rest and a bunch of co-drydamol can't fix.
I find you have to take it a bit easy on the Dune, dial it back a notch - it can be soooo fast, turns you into a right hoolie, all of a sudden you're arriving into scenarios much quicker than you would on skinny tyres. I find I have to think more about slowing down near walkers, dogs, round blind corners than on my other bikes, don't want to hurt anyone or generate ill feeling, especially when the comedy looks tend to have the opposite effect with those you meet.
I'm considering buying a Calibre Dune, I was wondering if anyone had changed the green strip that's in the wheels to yellow or any other colour? Do you know what kind of tape and thickness would be required?
I think Northwind has changed his. should be straight forward to do, I've never searched but there's probably a plethora of colours/widths to choose from
Yeah, I replaced mine with 75mm PVC tape off ebay (for added yellow).
Think it was this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WIDE-HEAVY-DUTY-PVC-TAPE-75MM-x-33M-BUILDER-INSULATION-ELECTRICIAN-FIXING-YELLOW-/360702791403?hash=item53fb8fceeb:g:BZAAAMXQVhFR8YUh
Basically one wrap sticky side "out" and unsticky side against the rim, stretched just a wee bit to get it nice and tight. Then a second wrap other way round (so sticky to sticky) to overlay that. Becuase the first wrap's stretched, it's a little narrower, the second wrap should fully cover it and stick it to the rim, avoiding any exposed sticky.
I wasn't sure if that'd be strong enough but it's been fine. Bulges nicely through the cutouts and weighs nowt.
Thanks Northwind, your bike looks great by the way. I'm most likely going to order one tomorrow, I've had a good read at this topic tonight and learned a lot. Has anyone managed to go tubeless on the standard rims? I went to see a Dune on Sunday in the Clydebank store and it had been set up with 3x8 shifters and a double ring at the front. I had a quick shot instore and the chain came off. I can only assume it had came with missing 2x8 shifters and the mechanic had improvised?
Cheers! Yep, running tubeless both ends on the standard rim, I posted about it just the other day if you want to look back. One of the methods is just a continuation of how I did the rim tape really.
Pretty common to run double setups with a triple shifter tbh, it's how we always used to do it when doubles were first becoming popular. But it should be set up so that it can't come off, you dial the end stop on the mech right in. TBH I'd have thought it'd have a double, though. No idea if mine did, never used the stock shifter 🙂
Purple and fluoro yellow, you sure about that Jim?!
It used to jar, but I've got over it - might change to black for a monster truck look, can't find any fluoro yellow tape 🙂
only assume it had came with missing 2x8 shifters and the mechanic had improvised?
Std setup is 2x8 with 3x8 shifters, must've been cheap! I never got on with the front mech, I'm not sure whether it was the amount of muck it encourages you to ride in or the freehub or what, but I was always losing the chain off the front or it sucking and jamming and having to stop and faff about with it, covering me and gloves in mud, sheep poo and chain oil. The Dune is good enough to deserve better, so I shelled out and went 1x.
Std setup should do you fine for a few months, but very likely the bike will get under your skin, you won't touch your bikes, and you'll end up upgrading it 🙂
slimjim78 - Member
This stuff looks perfect
That combo of purple with fluroscent yellow is even ringing my fashion-less colour combo alarm! 😆
But to help you get some more purple hints on the bike to go with the rim tape...
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/alpine-evo-rotor-arctic-cooling-fins.htm
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/nano-x-pedals.htm
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/lexan-headset-spacer-set.htm
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/zenith-stem.htm
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/brewster-direct-mount-cover-uk-made.htm
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/brewster-direct-mount-cover-uk-made.htm
😉
Yeah I think the purple and yellow would look retrotasticallygoppingly awesome!
Not sure y'all picked up on my little joke though, did you see the brand of tape in the link?
Buy 2nd hand bondage tape, it's prestretched & usually stickier
Sounds like there's a gap in the market
I think I've already got some of that tape... 😳
Spotted this morning that bikeradar reviewed the Dune on 3rd May. What I find really odd, unless I'm blind, they moan about there just being one frame size... Yet the large became listed on the Go Outdoors site almost a week previous!
extra 10% off all depts at GO, just had an email
Delay to print (the bikeradar review was originally in MBUK or WMB) covers that I think, we knew the large was coming but it wasn't available. But putting a 6 foot rider on a medium frame bike and then complaining that it's short is pretty absurd- if the large had been out but they got sent a medium to test, they wouldn't do that.
slimjim78 - MemberNot sure y'all picked up on my little joke though, did you see the brand of tape in the link?
Not only did I see it, now I see it in my ebay recommendations. Cheers for that! 😆
Haha! You're welcome. Heck, maybe it's perfect for rims?
TBH I think it'll be the perfect thing to add to my tarp-lined boot, with its shovel and roll of old carpet.
rOcKeTdOg - Member
extra 10% off all depts at GO, just had an email
10MAY16 makes the Dune £521.99
Zippy, I don't use tubeless; causes more problems than it solves in an area of the country with few thorns but a lot of sharp rock to tear sidewalls. The Minion can be inflated to sit up on the bead, but it only goes into place above 35psi. Then if I deflate below 12, it slides back into the rim bed in one or two locations. That's not helpful, when I want to get back to the 7psi that will hold a Floater tyre in place on that same rim.
For whatever it's worth, my Minion stays on the rim at atmospheric. Not when riding obviously 😆
Not long recovered from a minor panic, thinking my Wazoo's rear wheel was horribly out of true, dipping in ~1cm when spinning the freewheel. Turned out the Jumbo Jim was not sitting properly on the rim bead at that point, with the two closely spaced seams on the carcass wall dropping under the rim at this point! 😳
Deflated almost to nothing, had a squeeze/play with the tyre/tube especially in this area, then killed my arms pumping the tyre back up to 30 PSI with the track pump. Now spins much truer and seams can be seen at a roughly constant distance above rim. 🙂
Given I am running with one SV13F and one SV13J tube, after one of the lightweight tubes died upon installation last week (~4" split along a tube seam, not far from valve), I keep wondering in and OCD way whether I should swap the tubes so the J is on the rear wheel that supports more of my ~85Kg lump. 😆
Well I didn't go back to get the Voodoo even though I was tempted.
Got home late-night however, opened the garage up & lo & behold here was same said bike. Gotta love my Mrs. Early Xmas present apparently.it was even wrapped in tinsel.
So I'm off to read all 26 pages of this thread again on my train journey home.
Your Mrs is awesome.
Think I've read the thread 3 times now. I almost know what I'm talking about 🙂