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[Closed] Why steeper head angles on a 29er?

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Gotama, for Brant, it's 99% sales.. Sam seems to genuinely want to progress in his particular slant on how his bikes ride.


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 12:25 pm
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I have set of these. They have a cock in the dropout (and two rake options)

...that is all.


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 12:38 pm
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Perhaps that is the case but maybe, just maybe they both also like contributing to something which they're obviously keenly interested in. As a byproduct of posting insightful comments regarding design, Sam to use your example, will increase the public respect for the Singular brand and hopefully along with it sales. As a swift owner i certainly appreciate the thought he's put into the frame. Same goes for Brant really. I'm trying to bodge together a fat front in the style of the Jones for a frame that's probably not suited to it and the fork rake of 55mm on the On One fatty, which matches the Jones, piqued my interest. Question was asked and answered which has potentially added more food for thought. To be honest i would rather pay beers/cash etc to someone that knows what they're doing to have a look at the frame i propose using and tell me if its going handle like a pig but that's besides the point. Your presumably unqualified hissy fits about other comments and vitriol towards designers don't really help anyone though do they?


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:12 pm
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blimey, the vitriol is strong in duirdh this morning.


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:18 pm
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Has the art of thinking for ones self truly died?


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:31 pm
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[i]Has the art of thinking for ones self truly died?
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Is it thinking that led to this?

[i]Wouldn't hurt for you and Brant to also follow this advice. [/i]

?


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:33 pm
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And if we really want to muddy the waters, maybe should also consider how the bike works as a whole r.e. saddle position, weight distribution between the wheels, chainstay length etc.....

I've got my own views and handbuilt them into frames I'm very happy with (e.g. 69 deg head sagged on a 100mm mid-rake fork or 70 rigid on a 55mm rake, 16" chainstays etc). Unfortunately too busy at work to get dragged deep into this discussion ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:45 pm
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The art of listening to someone who knows what they're talking about, is clearly dead.


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:50 pm
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I found these two vids an interesting watch:

Brant and Sam have both designed and sold bikes successfully, that others like to ride. I think their thoughts on the matter hold more weight than most...


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:50 pm
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Agreed hippy


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:56 pm
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Some angry puppies on here this morning ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 1:56 pm
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I guess my one off-topic post was a little disengenuous and rather pointless in a subject I'm quite interested in. I'd also like to say, I'm not trying to pick holes but am interested in your point of view.

@Sam

I have read in a number of places that due to the low weight of a bicycles front wheel (as opposed to something like a motorcycle) the gyroscopic effect was negligible and that it only really affects (perhaps) bicycles while airborne? Do you think differently to this?


The greater gyroscopic effect and longer thinner contact patch (more pneumatic trail) of a 29" wheel requires less trail for equivalent steering response, all else being equal.


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 2:51 pm
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I'm so glad I brought BMX's into this, and amazed it was taken seriously.

Isn't part of the reason for slacker angles with suspension about the way the bike will handle the horizontal component of hitting obstacles with the front wheel? And don't bigger wheels make these forces less prevalent?


 
Posted : 06/02/2013 10:14 pm
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