BBC.CO.UK I bet that's another mis-representaion of 'cyclists' when they mean Surron's/eMXers. I can't imagine much fun mountain biking around a quarry, but opportunities for braaaping around on a motorbike aplenty.
can't imagine much fun mountain biking around a quarry,
We can have 1500W now, it makes any trail fun!
Right?
It's an interesting one - as that area is also known at the Cornish Alps & once a year there is sanctioned bike ride that allows riders through - it's called the Cornish Alpine Challenge.
There are also lots of ex-quarry paths around that area. However, it is super obvious where the quarry begins & is off limits.
It is also an impoverished area, so that brings all of those problems along with it too, as well as the anti social behaviour. I do suspect it is more the sauron crowd than the MTB crowd who are causing the issues. Boy racers have also been known to rally their cars around those parts.
I bet that's another mis-representaion of 'cyclists' when they mean Surron's/eMXers.
Yep, for sure.
eBike is horribly misused by the non-cycling media. It means anything either Deliveroo homebrew thing, Lime Bike (ridden by a ****) or eMXer. It very rarely does it mean something sensible.
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It’s a story about illegal motor bike use
As opposed to illegal derestricted e bike use.?
Given the power on offer and ease of derestriction, that horse is well clear of the stable. Its a weird, artificial distinction
Back on the topic of daft action taken by "the public".
I was involved in the design of a pump storage scheme in north wales. I made use of a string of slate mines the seem of which ran up the valley side.
The lowest pit had served as an ammunition store which had collapsed and the MODs solution was to decant the old munitions into the next flooded quarry. The chief planning objection was the loss of a popular swimming spot 🤣
On a Sunday managed to access the quarry up at Dumbarton (Dumbuckhill quarry)
Being sunday it was closed but after blasting about it for a bit i realized my error the way big wide tracks came over hills and should one of their vehicles suddenly appear i had zero chance to get out the way. Plus its an industrial site, so last thing any driver is goign to expect is to come across a lone cyclist pottering about in the mud.
In short i'd put myself in a really really dangerous position and it was just luck the place wasnt in full operation that day.
So quickly left.
Only for security to notice me, and they can speeding after me in their range rover as im trying to keep ahead and find some way out, which i couldnt because the whole place was locked up.
They(or rather he) caught up with me at the main gate, jumped out the rover and ran over shouting and screaming an accusing me of being some others they'd caught here at some point, then uttered his fateful words. I see you again, I'll take that F..... bike off you.
Really ?
I grabbed him by the throat and said a few fateful words of my own 🤣 Said he had dogs in the car, i said so f..... what, they're in the car. Now open the F...... gate. Might have uttered a few other choice phrases.
I leave and that was that.
But truth of it is i was trespassing, and riding in a quarry unauthorized was a really stupid thing to do so I'd advise against ever trying it. Yeah theres lots of mud and stuff you can jump off but i would not have like to have found a 200ton truck suddenly bear down on me.
As opposed to illegal derestricted e bike use.?
Given the power on offer and ease of derestriction, that horse is well clear of the stable. Its a weird, artificial distinction
For some perspective... 750W, the nominal max output (sustained is still only 250W, which a fit cyclist can easily exceed themselves) for a Class 1 EPAC is approximately 1bhp... Your typical 4 stroke 125cc moped has more than 10x as much power, and these bikes are considered especially underpowered for a "motorbike"...
The top end Surron's have 22.5Kw output (30bhp), which in something so light is incredibly potent for sure... It is a totally different beast, and needs to be treated as such!
So can we just stop the "eBikes are just motorbikes" crap, and the attempt to blur or destroy the lines between them...
A class 1 EPAC is a bicycle... END OF!!! And the sooner the mainstream media stop muddying the waters, throwing any electrically powered motorcycles under the "ebike" banner, the better...
Grabbing the security guard by the throat and yelling at him is not on. That’s assault.
An apology and conversation would possibly save someone else from a hiding or a dog bite.
Speaking as a land owner, we can get into so much trouble if someone is injured on our land even if they are trespassing, one of our rams attacked a family out for a stroll on our clearly marked private land. We had to apologise to the family for not having appropriate live stock signs up.
No surprise land owners get the hump.
grabbed him by the throat and said a few fateful words of my own
Said he had dogs in the car, i said so f..... what, they're in the car. Now open the F...... gate. Might have uttered a few other choice phrases.
You just sound like a thug.
Yup. 1954 Mines and Quarries Act confers specific responsibilities on the site owner/operator to ensure the safety of employees and general public, regardless of whether the site is operational or closed. Even if someone makes a conscious effort to get around fences, signs, locked gates, whatever. So having onsite security is definitely a thing at many operational quarries. That said, I'm sure I've wandered to the edge of the workings at the long abandoned Harpur Hill without seeing any signage or fences at all, so 🤷. And some old workings are readily accessed for climbing, although these are usually the subject of negotiated access arrangements
No such thing as an illegal derestricted ebike, it's either a pedal bike or a motorbike. Admittedly a modified pedal bike might not have the power of a dedicated pedal-less bike but that's not how the law sees it.
Well what are you going to call an e bike thats been derestricted illegally.?
If we really want to maintain the distinction between e bike and electric motorbike then that needs to be a damn sight harder than it is.
Lets see if dyna ti gets on the cover of his local paper as a thug on a bike
You just sound like a thug.
The good thing about thugs is they sometimes cause other thugs to think twice next time they see an 'easy target' which people on bikes are often viewed as, for some reason.
The security guard was assaulted by a cyclist who was trespassing, then posts his bragging rights on a cycling forum.Great advert for cyclists.
Well done.
The good thing about thugs is they sometimes cause other thugs to think twice next time they see an 'easy target' which people on bikes are often viewed as, for some reason.
The security guard wasn't a thug. He was a lone worker, doing his job, probably for minimum wage, who was physically assaulted and threatened by a trespasser. I'm surprised he didn't involve the police.
You go around shouting abuse and threatening to take people's bikes off them then you're threatening violence, probably because you think your target isn't going to react. If you happen to be wearing a uniform or not makes no difference.
If you threaten people with violence then you shouldn't be surprised if someone reacts somewhat violently.
If the cyclist had said sorry for trespassing on private land and asked politely to open the gate the likelihood is nothing would have happened. Sounds like the cyclist has a liking for violence and clearly gets a kick out of assaulting people and bragging about it on an open forum. There is no excuse. I would imagine the cyclist was aggressive from the off looking at his post.
If the cyclist had said sorry for trespassing on private land and asked politely to open the gate the likelihood is nothing would have happened.
You know there is no such thing as a cyclist? There is a person on a bike.
Some people view people on bikes as cyclists as opposed to human beings (ie, cyclists are a sub-group and not worthy of the same respect as people who are fully human).
SCIENCEFOCUS.COM Some people who ride bikes have bought into the idea of cyclists as a group, and are convinced that if all the cyclists behave themselves all the time and never antagonise those who view them as sub-human then they'll get treated like normal humans.
Sorry to say, but that is never going to happen. 'Cyclists' will always be a sub-group, and as such they can be threatened and intimidated without consequences.
Personally I'm quite happy if a person who rides bikes reminds those who view people who ride bikes as being sub-human that they are in fact fully-fledged humans. And as such they can expect a fully-human reaction if they are aggressive and threaten violence.
I'd advise the mining company to invest in some better signage and possibly some fences rather than relying on security guards with dogs to intimidate people who find their way onto their property.
Wow. They walk amongst us.
May be it’s time we had a cycling equivalent of Pride.
or did daily critical masses.
People who ride bikes need to assert their right to exist.
Sorry about the spelling.
There was signage and fences apparently.
Surprised and saddened to see you supporting violence on a cycling web site. Oh well, sign of the times I guess.
Surprised and saddened to see you supporting violence on a cycling web site. Oh well, sign of the times I guess.
Actually, you're the one supporting violence, given that threats of violence are also violence.
Surprised and saddened to see you supporting violence on a cycling web site. Oh well, sign of the times I guess.
Wow. They walk amongst us.
Yes, and your life as someone who rides bikes might well be worse if it wasn't for 'them'.
No need to thank them, I'm sure.
Sorry to offend you, as you can see from my post I have not supported violence.
The chap on the bike committed assault, and admitted it, the security guard did not commit assault he made a threat, different in many ways.
The chap on the bike committed assault, and admitted it, the security guard did not commit assault he made a threat, different in many ways.
Well, neither one of us was there and we're only getting one side of the story. But as it stands we can only take dyna-ti at his word.
From the the way he describes it, he found his way into the mine (not quite clear how intentional that was, I've certainly accidently found myself places I shouldn't purely by accident when out on the bike), played about a bit (which he admits was stupid), and then headed for the exit.
Once at the exit, billy-big-bollocks caught up and decided to try to intimidate him. No idea what this confrontation was like, but some people will just keep try to push their intimidation further and further, sometimes with very unfortunate results.
Personally, I'll always wait until the other person initiates a physical confrontation. Perhaps dyna-ti finds that a physical warning (which is what he gave) works better to stop escalation.
In this case it seems like his judgement was sound. The violence didn't escalate further and everyone went about their day.
From the way he describes it, the guy was looking for a victim but immediately backed down when he realised he didn't have a victim.
But like I said, we're only getting one side of the story. Not saying dyna-ti didn't act like a thug. But if you've got a thug and a bully in front of you then a little bit of thug-like behavior is justified, imo.
And if the security guy decides to act a bit more professionally next time he confronts someone then that's a bonus.
The security guard was assaulted by a cyclist who was trespassing, then posts his bragging rights on a cycling forum.Great advert for cyclists.
Well done.
I hear what you are saying and these days i kind of agree. But this was 30 years back and i was a very different person then
But TBH there was no need for him to threaten me either. and i at the time felt that threatening to take the other lads bikes of them was kind of extreme behaviour. I think i was more the rebel, more wolfie smith 😆 and felt people with some semblance of authority shouldne be saying stuff like that.
Looking back i can even think that he understood the dangers of riders nipping into the quarry to ride,and maybe sometime in his own experience something had happened. But thats only now ive grown up a bit that these kind of reasoning thoughts come to mind.
I think he was maybe a bit of a little hitler and maybe got a bit big for his boots in how he spoke to people, even if he was in a semi justifiable scenario.
From reading others comments on here from time to time i can see we were all young once and full of the pith and vinegar.
Point taken though. As i said, im a different person.
I'll add in relation to Ed that Bruce is correct. Showing weakness can make other people act more violent towards you. Im not sure how many tête-à-tête's youve had but sometimes showing you arent going to back down can get you out of a dangerous situation than leaving it where it will likely escalate.
Adds. I came across the quarry by chance. I was exploring the woods near to it , and im not from that area. The woods became a bit of waste ground and then the quarry itself.I do remember there were gates and a chainlink fence, but the gates were open so it was kind of like just another part of a dirt track.
If it's derestricted then it's no longer a pedal bike, so it's a motor bike, a rubbish, underpowered one but legally it's still a motorbike.Well what are you going to call an e bike thats been derestricted illegally.?
But this was 30 years back and i was a very different person then
I read your post as 'On Sunday I managed to access the quarry...'
If it had been last Sunday I'd imagine you would have to be a bit more deliberate entering a quarry (I assume there are more fences and signs these days) and also you'd expect security to be more professional.
Also, around Glasgow back then it was pretty normal to dig jump spots in old quarries. In particular I remember the pit-bing at Kirkintilloch being a favourite. I can imagine there was a fair bit of 'playing about' in working quarries going on (although I'm not sure how many working quarries there were left).
I'm also sure I remember MBUK used to do some stories about sneaking into quarries but I could be mistaken.
Like you said, different times.
