I don't think there's much point going into the intricacies of access law either because it comes down to a basic attitude to life.
It's a smug and selfish Top Gear inspired belief in your inherent right to career down public trails at such a speed that you can't avoid crashing into people.
What gives you this right is ownership of a Chris 'Finchy' Finch type personality, a bouncy bike, full face helmet and body armour.
I'm taking Chakapings advice up there, and leaving the land reform experts to their permissive towpaths.
Enjoy.
We, as mountain bikers, need to stop being so subservient.
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I nearly hit a guy that looked like Jesus on the Powerline at Chopwell woods. He was just walking up the with his long hair, beard and sandals right in the middle.
Saw him a second time doing the same thing a while later, I guess it was his thing.
As for the crash video - unless that was private land, with fences down each side stopping traffic, you still have to take care.
I nearly hit a guy that looked like Jesus...
Saw him a second time doing the same thing a while later
Was this around Easter time? Any caves close by? 😆
Just for clarity, me (the OP) isn't the guy in the video.
As for the crash video - unless that was private land, with fences down each side stopping traffic, you still have to take care.
Good comment which certainly sums up my feelings here.
A tennis court or football pitch are purpose built facilities for those activities. Do you think anyone would walk onto to them when a match was in progress and expect the players to halt their game to let folk have a picnic etc in the middle, or play round them while they did whatever they wanted to do.
I think you'd stop before injuring them and ask them to move off the playing area. I don't think you'd just run into them because 'it's within your rights'
(or i think you'd be a bit of a cock if you did)
Are you really that dense? Do I need to use smaller words?
There's no such thing as a 'dedicated bike trail' solely for cycling on open access land (all FC land, commons etc), its a nonsense term. They are permissive, and inherently SHARED; anyone can use them on foot (including with push chairs, and dogs) that is their LEGAL RIGHT. Your analogies are crap and just show your total inability to comprehend the situation
It is entirely YOUR responsibility as the rider to not injure people by riding in a way appropriate to the trail conditions. If that means you cant go flat out around blind bends or over blind drops then frankly tough shit use you brakes a ride at an appropriate speed that enables you to stop in the distance you can see.
If you don't like it you can buy your own land and ride like a self entitled cockwomble to your hearts content. But in public places (including trail centre 'cycling' trails) you should give a bit of consideration to others or at least the potential for others to be using it.
And people wonder why there's such opposition to greater bike access, you 3 are a prime example of why.
[quote=theotherjonv ]A tennis court or football pitch are purpose built facilities for those activities. Do you think anyone would walk onto to them when a match was in progress and expect the players to halt their game to let folk have a picnic etc in the middle, or play round them while they did whatever they wanted to do.
I think you'd stop before injuring them and ask them to move off the playing area. I don't think you'd just run into them because 'it's within your rights'
(or i think you'd be a bit of a cock if you did)
I'm not suggesting you run into them, but you lot must ride in some fantasy land with no blind corners or drops.
It could very easily have been someone going downhill very slowly that the rider ran into the back of.
Would he he still feel they are fault then?
[quote=sr0093193 ]Are you really that dense? Do I need to use smaller words?
There's no such thing as a 'dedicated bike trail' solely for cycling on open access land (all FC land, commons etc), its a nonsense term. They are permissive, and inherently SHARED; anyone can use them on foot (including with push chairs, and dogs) that is their LEGAL RIGHT. Your analogies are crap and just show your total inability to comprehend the situation
It is entirely YOUR responsibility as the rider to not injure people by riding in a way appropriate to the trail conditions. If that means you cant go flat out around blind bends or over blind drops then frankly tough shit use you brakes a ride at an appropriate speed that enables you to stop in the distance you can see.
If you don't like it you can buy your own land and ride like a self entitled cockwomble to your hearts content. But in public places (including trail centre 'cycling' trails) you should give a bit of consideration to others or at least the potential for others to be using it.
And people wonder why there's such opposition to greater bike access, you 3 are a prime example of why.
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I live in Scotland. We've got great access.
[i]It is entirely YOUR responsibility as the rider to not injure people by [s]riding[/s] walking in a way appropriate to the trail [s]conditions[/s] design.[/i]
[i]It could very easily have been someone going downhill very slowly that the rider ran into the back of[/i]
Did you watch the video? It wasn't.
I'm bored now.
you lot must ride in some fantasy land with no blind corners or drops.
No, I'm just careful how I approach them if I'm not certain that the way is clear, to reduce or remove the likelihood of an accident if they aren't.
I'm not suggesting you run into them
He did though. And again, where i accept the pusher was entirely in the wrong for pushing up a downhill track, the rider wasn't under sufficient control to manage that eventuality.
And once again; attitudes to risk comes down to how likely it is to happen x the severity/outcome of an incident if it does. And clearly others have a different attitude to it than me, which is fine, we're all adults and we can make our own choices.
It all comes back to rule number one, don't be a dick. Last time I was at swinley I saw a group on foot reading about the trails at the start then walk off up the trails. Now obviously that is their right but seeing as they can walk on any bit of the whole forest but there is only one official bike track it seemed like an action that was inconsiderate and was going to cause conflict.
What if it was an ebiker motoring up the [s]path[/s] [s]trail[/s] hill to meet the downhiller?
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Isn't the whole point of downhill to use your superior skillz?
If you haven't got the skill of seeing round corners or blind spots, then you should ride appropriately unless you have a cleared track or posted lookouts.
Malvern Rider -
What if it was an ebiker motoring up the path trail hill to meet the downhiller?
Yes! First mention of eBikes in the thread. Congrats 😆
Some people live in a odd world. There's some top trolling in this post 🙂
Next we will see the STW trail police out with speed guns, frothing at the mouth.
Top trolling indeed, I'm guessing from those who've never turned a wheel on a dh track or had both wheels off the ground at the same time.
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Yep only on STW !
They guy pushing up the DH track must be a contender for this years Darwin award ?
Some people live in a odd world. There's some top trolling in this post
Only thing I don't reckon some are trolling, they mean every word they've written 🙁
jamesfts - Member
Top trolling indeed, I'm guessing from those who've never turned a wheel on a dh track or had both wheels off the ground at the same time.
You're missing the point there.
No one has a god given right to injure other people, and it's simple decency to ride in such a manner that you avoid the risk of doing so.
If you are going to hurtle downhill (it's fun) then you should be absolutely sure the track is clear. That means riding on a dedicated DH track with physically restricted access or having spotters on the blind bits.
Most mtb riders would know not to ride or push up such a track, but there's plenty of folk out there who don't know the rules, there's kids, there's dogs, and up here deer.
If you are going to hurtle downhill (it's fun) then you should be absolutely sure the track is clear. That means riding on a dedicated DH track with physically restricted access or having spotters on the blind bits.
that's just absolutely and completely insane. I'm astounded some of you are saying this
You're missing the point there.No one has a god given right to injure other people, and it's simple decency to ride in such a manner that you avoid the risk of doing so.
If you are going to hurtle downhill (it's fun) then you should be absolutely sure the track is clear. That means riding on a dedicated DH track with physically restricted access or having spotters on the blind bits.
Most mtb riders would know not to ride or push up such a track, but there's plenty of folk out there who don't know the rules, there's kids, there's dogs, and up here deer.
Solid 8/10. Chapeau.
I generally go quite quickly on trails, but having read this thread it seems that's not the done thing. I guess at the very least I'll spill less gin going slowly down the trails 🙂
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If you are going to hurtle downhill (it's fun) then you should be absolutely sure the track is clear. That means riding on a dedicated DH track with physically restricted access or having spotters on the blind bits.
How about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
Personally I pay a man to walk 10 paces in front of me waving a flag to warn others of my approach.
Personally I pay a man to walk 10 paces in front of me waving a flag to warn others of my approach.
Run surely !!
Ron Surly
That's the chap's name.
Run surely !
What, and run the risk of running headlong into a wounded deer or baby robin or child's face?
Insanity.
BoardinBob - MemberHow about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
I hope you don't drive a car... 🙂
(You know, cyclists etc)
[quote=epicyclo ]BoardinBob - Member
How about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
I hope you don't drive a car...
I do. Very slowly. 25 years, zero points ever.
How about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas.
Run surely !!
No, because then someone would have to walk in front of him, in order to so him ploughing in to people.
And then someone would have to crawl in front of...mumble...mumble...something about swallowing an escalating variety of wildlife.
Not sure if trolls or just holier than thou wazzocks on this thread. Suspect both. Stile Cop is a well known DH 'bike park'. Ignoring all the other mental arguments on here, those obstacles were on bikes, kitted up. They knew the score.
By the reckoning of some, I guess BPW, Antur et al should all be trundled down unless you can see 100m ahead. Oh, and don't forget lights and bells at all times on the trails.
Threads like this make it very obvious why this forum has a 'reputation'.
BoardinBob - Member
I do. Very slowly. 25 years, zero points ever.
Good to hear, so why a different attitude on public tracks with a bike?
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas.
Nope. 2/10. Trying too hard now.
Better make sure I take it nice and easy up there tonight not to upset the STW massive 😉
submarined - Member
...Not sure if trolls or just holier than though wazzocks on this thread. Suspect both. Stile Cop is a well known DH 'bike park's. Ignoring all the other mental arguments on here, those obstacles were on bikes, kitted up. They knew the score.
Agree, they were stupid, dickheads even, but stupidity is not an excuse to potentially maim someone if you can avoid it.
Especially as you can end up being the one getting the life changing injury.
From what has been said it is a probability that stupid people will be on the track the wrong way, and that's really stupid because there will be some equally qualified people coming down balls out without knowing the way is clear.
By the reckoning of some, I guess BPW, Antur et al should all be trundled down unless you can see 100m ahead. Oh, and don't forget lights and bells at all times on the trails.
Nah, turn them all into petting zoos.
There really are some cocks about. The inability to differentiate between how to behave on a bridleway and how a dh track is used does mark you out...almost as much as those who choose to ride a bridleway like a DH track.
[i]acting like a self-entitled dickhead[/i]
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas
No! no! Its bad enough when people new to the thread start repeating what's already been said, without you repeating yourself!
Go sit on the naughty step(down).
[quote=epicyclo ]BoardinBob - Member
I do. Very slowly. 25 years, zero points ever.
Good to hear, so why a different attitude on public tracks with a bike?
if I was on a track day I'd be driving full beans. I expect to do the same on a bike trail
Not a shared trail
A proper bike trail
convert - Member
...There really are some cocks about...
There sure are... 🙂
There sure are...
DezB...standby I'm going to add a new phrase to the thread. I know, madness.
To FIFY myself:-
...There really are some [s]cocks [/s] bedwetters about...
And I believe that is a STW bingo.
should all be trundled down unless you can see 100m ahead
If 100m is your stopping distance, then yes. I can stop much more quickly than that but I still like to keep it within the distance I know to be clear*, because i don't like crashing into obstacles however predictable or unpredictable they may be.
* Which in most cases means the distance I can see, or hear - I do listen as well, and i even call out if i think there's a chance there might be someone around a bend, and don't therefore think riding with earphones is a good idea. Thoughts on that?
And if I was on a proper DH track on a proper race or practice day, I'd probably risk even further on the basis someone else is making sure the track is clear **
** yeah right, IR Hardcore minzer and the chances of me being on a DH track on raceday = 0
What if it had been a trail dog?
Called Sprocket?
[i]There really are some bedwetters about...[/i]
good work 🙂
