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Looking to get a 140mm fork in the next few months for a new build I'm going to start, but I'm slightly bewildered by the amount of choice on offer.
I've never had a travel adjust before and it seems unnecessary on a 140mm fork (although I'd be interested in hearing from people who'd disagree), so I'm currently looking at the Fox Float 32 Fit RLC and either the Rock Shox Revelation World Cup or the XX. Anyone with experience of both the Revelations and/or the Fox able to give some comparitive feedback?
Also, with Revelation, are the World Cup and XX models worth the extra money over the RLT Ti, and would the XX World Cup be worth the extra again? What are the main differences?
Any help (or suggestions of others I should look at) would be much appreciated.
What bike is it for?
Pike 454 if you can get hold of one.
I've got a revelation on my chameleon. 110mm to 140mm. It climbs hugely better at 110mm, and when I'm doing more training focused rides I keep it on 110mm. 140mm for descents that are worthy.
Or look at the Marzocchi 44 RC3ti. Good offers on the 2010 140mm version around the place and cheaper than those other options anyway.
I'm looking at them for some of our frames - slightly heavier but good performance and much less maintenance from what I'm hearing.
My Stumpy FSR has got a 140mm Fox of some description with TALAS. It climbs pretty well at 140mm, but dropping it for prolonged or particularly steep climbs make it easier.
I am glad it's available.
If I was building my own bike though, there's little chance I would pay that much money on forks, so would probably look for something from Rock Shox - air and travel adjust.
Or look at the Marzocchi 44 RC3ti. Good offers on the 2010 140mm version around the place and cheaper than those other options anyway. I'm looking at them for some of our frames - slightly heavier but good performance and much less maintenance from what I'm hearing.
That's a good point. The higher maintenance requirements was one of the things that was putting me off the Fox slightly.
Pike 454 if you can get hold of one.
Probably a bit too beefy for my requirements. Looking for something a bit lighter (but still stiff) if possible.
I've got a revelation on my chameleon. 110mm to 140mm. It climbs hugely better at 110mm, and when I'm doing more training focused rides I keep it on 110mm. 140mm for descents that are worthy.
That's interesting. It's going to be for a 140mm full-sus though, so it might be a bit too steep at 110mm for anything other than climbs...?
I'd have thought whether an adjustable fork is desirable depends on the bike - if you ride something where the front wheel goes light on steep climbs and no amount of weight shift will compensate, then yes, it makes plenty of sense. If you have bike that stays planted, then not really needed. Alternatively, you can do it the other way round and wind the fork out for decents and keep it shorter for shaper steering in singletrack etc. But it all depends on the individual bike really.
I have the Rev Team, which may be the RLT now, I'm not up to date with the 2011 range.
It's very light and very stiff for what it is (a 150mm fork). Also the damping is very capable and precise. Not plush but always perfectly controlled.
The WC and XX may be a tad lighter but I don't think they;re worth the extra money if you can get the RLT (if that's the one with blackbox damping) for several hundred less as I believe the performance would be the same.
The 2009 Fox 32 Float 140mm fork that I've got is a fair bit heavier than the Rev - more than half a pound. More plush but bobs a bit more too.
I'd also be cosnidering the Marz if I were buying now, but the 20mm axle on the Rev would probably swing it for me in the end.
interested in this thread - i have a 2010 float 32 rlc fit and for another bike have been offered revelation dual air teams + blackbox damping and maxle 20mm.
i'm a fox fan, love them, never had a problem [looked after] but am tempted by the revelations due to their reviews.....
Yeah, I'm leaning towards the Revelations too.
The WC and XX may be a tad lighter but I don't think they;re worth the extra money if you can get the RLT (if that's the one with blackbox damping) for several hundred less as I believe the performance would be the same.
Yeah, I was a bit confused by range without the Race/SL/Team versions, but it seems that the RLT Ti does have BlackBox damping. The XX versions have an entirely different damping system - anyone had any experience of that?
The RLT Ti is 3.61 lbs for the dual air (3.81 lbs for the dual position air, which I'm guessing is the travel adjust), according to the Rock Shox website. The Float 32 Fit RLC is 3.74lbs (for the 15mm axle), so you're right that it is a bit heavier. The Revelation World Cups are only 3.28lbs, but probably a bit too spendy for me.
The Float 32 Fit RLC is 3.74lbs
Interesting. My 2009 Float 32 weighs 4lbs 5oz on the kitchen scale. Feels noticeably heavier to hold than my Rev too.
Are Fox OE forks heavier or did they lose weight in 2010?
I'm in the exact same position, can't make my mind up and don't wanna spend more than £400 in reality.
Are Fox OE forks heavier or did they lose weight in 2010?
Quite possibly both. 'FIT' damper forks have very little oil in them. Oil=weight (Mazhocchi used to state dry weights for their forks years back - you needed to add 100+g to allow for the oil they were delivered with!)
Are Fox OE forks heavier or did they lose weight in 2010?
The weights I quoted were for the 2011 forks, so I guess it's likely that they've lightened up a bit in the last two years.
I'm in the exact same position, can't make my mind up and don't wanna spend more than £400 in reality.
If you don't need a tapered steerer then Merlin have some pretty ridiculous prices on Revs at the moment...
if you want some top of the range forks and save some money I've got some 2011 fox talas kashima coat for sale,110-140 adjust.look in my profile for my last post on f/s my emails there to.
I think new Revs are all 120-150mm.
Just a cautionary note, U-turn Air sprung Revs are notorious for the clunking problem. (to do with the plastic helix components on the u-turn mechanism). My 09's do it, & I'm sure I've heard of some 2010 models doing it. Run at either end of the travel they are fine, but in between it can get annoying. Amazing forks though. Like a Pike but loads lighter. If you can, the 20mm axle is the way to go.
If you are worried about weight these guys do a 120mm fork at a (claimed) 1350g and a 160mm at 1890g
http://www.german-a.de/de/xcite.html
Although if the price of an XX is putting you off these may not be for you...
I've got coil pikes on my chameleon and they're awesome. Picked em up for £150 on ebay and they are bulletproof and easy to service yourself (air sprung is always a pain in the ass). 95-140mm u-turn. Have used them for everything from Strathpuffer to dirt jumps. So what if they're a few hundred grams heavier? Get fitter going up, go faster coming down. Or take a dump before you ride or leave half a liter out your camelback and it'll work out the same.
Find yourself a Revelation with the blackbox damping, job done.
Quite possibly both. 'FIT' damper forks have very little oil in them. Oil=weight (Mazhocchi used to state dry weights for their forks years back - you needed to add 100+g to allow for the oil they were delivered with!)
Interesting. Me and a couple of others I know have bought RS forks with nowhere near the amount of oil they need in them - so no wonder they're lighter than my Fox 😉