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Don't know about the Duende but there's no mistaking the Marcelo for anything else. Mine (a 55, more or less) weighs about 2kg, or 7.8kg built with carbon tubs, and doesn't give anything away to my 6.3kg plastic bike. My PB on my midweek loop was on the Pego and with 1200m over 50km is hardly flat.
Hora - Julian would like to send you an email. He's seen the thread and would like to help in advance of tomorrow. If you're willing for this approach, drop me an email (my address is in my profile) and I will forward that to him and connect you both directly.
Guess what kind of bike/frame material Andy Wilkinson used to break the current 24hour TT record
That's an odd esoteric race though (impressive all the same). Road (race) bikes are designed for bunch racing, where weight and stiffness are priorities. Last decent rider I know (2nd Cat or above) gave up on steel around 2002-04 as it was simply noncompetitive. Titanium fell off the radar around the same time for similar reasons in that it can't be built as light and stiff as CF, and aluminium frames offer almost identical performance for 1/2 the price or less.
That's an odd esoteric race though (
You;re right of course. It's a race where the right balance of comfort and aerodynamics are more important than anything else.
It still makes me chuckle that he effectively used 50% mountain bike/50% road bike.
YGM.
Ive got the guts of a roadbike in bits sat in the front living room. It looks kinda sad. It needs a frame and forks.
It needs a frame and forks.
[b]hora[/b] - I'm down in Putney if you wanted to have a look at the Acciaio? It was Greg at Condor who sorted me out when I got it, another good guy to chat to
It still makes me chuckle that he effectively used 50% mountain bike/50% road bike.
Doesn't he do pretty much all his riding on it, even commuting?
rack mounts would suggest so!
Starley have a lovely looking stainless frame with a claimed weight of 1300g 😯
http://starleybikes.com/frames/road/ss-frame/
Bit over budget though 🙁
Yes he does. lovely isn't it.
but then making those tubes larger in diameter to also increase the stiffness
This.
I've said it many times:
1) Handling = geometry
2) Weight = material
3) Stiffness = tube diameter.
The drive to (much) thinner but stronger steel with larger diameters reduces 2) and increases 3). But by far the most important is 1) how a bike handles. A "plain" 520 steel frame with spot-on geometry will be a much better ride than a 953 or above frame with inferior geometry. It may be a few 100g heavier, weight you can save elsewhere, and won't be as stiff (not always a bad thing), but it will ride better.
I had titanium frame, aside from the weight (and finish) it might as well have been steel. My paddy Wagon out-handles it because the geometry is better.
And to just veer away from the performance man-in-the-pub stuff for a second, surely the most important thing about steel bikes is that they just look 'right'...
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...no matter how hard any overly-bland background wallpaper or radiators try to distract from that
Starley have a lovely looking stainless frame with a claimed weight of 1300g
Wow! That is crazy light. It might be that we're only now starting to see stainless steels really achieving their design parameters with frames as light as this.
I'd be scared of cracking a stainless steel frame that light.
Oh go on then, if we're having a steel love-in!
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The big pile up on the M40 sadly held me up from Condors until late and me running across the motorway to get a Swan wandering around lane2 and (thankfully) a lorry and a coach blocked the traffic for me. No one got out of their cars to help either! Anyway soneone R.I.P'd today.
me running across the motorway to get a Swan wandering around lane2
I always knew you were made of "special" material
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Would love to see if I made highways agency CCTV news etc
Done. Pics to follow later in week.... 8)
Cheers for your patience and help guys
Ah come on. What did you go for?
It had better not be that Ritchey!
*puts balaclava on one side and searches sat nav history for horas address*
(Moves to a safe house) 😀
What have you got?
I've gone steel this year, think it's an age thing and I'm not competitive anymore so might as well like what I get.
Having a training do it all roadie built soon, all steel including forks, otherwise bog standard. Though I'm going to see if he can do an ISP, not sure I'll get a topper for Columbus SL though.
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Bregantes going to like what I've got. I love its looks. Stoked I am. **** the modern Velominati rules
😀 You'll do well if it fits, the geometry is a bit funny on them. I have seen a few build photos; all of them have had short stems and quite a few stem spacers. What size did you get? 57cm?
Yes 57 🙂
Cheers hora.
Looks like I'll have a new summer road bike by May then!
£450 sound about right? 😆
25% off RRP? You do realise your trying to barter with a Yorkshireman 😕
Too late but here's the burly Volare.
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Those rims on that bike?
Look awesome. It's a race bike.
didn't you buy that frame when I "PSA'ed" it within another thread, as you saved me buying the last one in my size? Theyve gone and got more in and I keep window-shopping, so youre not helping 😀
Lovely but at the risk of being [b]hyper[/b] picky I'm personally not a fan of deeper section wheels on skinny tubed bikes (be it skinny steel or skinny carbon)purely for aesthetics.
The fact they'd be well out of my budget is irrelevant 🙂
Subtle aren't they. There are some low profiles for poor weather.
Deep section rims on skinny tubes look awesome. I like!
Those rims on that bike?
Not a big fan of deep section wheels on skinny tubed bikes either... but for THOSE wheels I make an exception 🙂
Old git are they really the worlds most expensive wheels on an 853 steel frame? They must have cost as much as the rest of the bike combined.
I guess you can make a cogent argument for it. The frame, within reason, makes less performance difference than the wheels if the wheels in question are deep section areo types.
If we are talking aesthetics, I'm much more offended by the grey cable outers than the wheels on the Volare.
Didn't pay the full 2.7k for them. Availability of those wheels was the main contributing factor in going ahead with a steel race bike.
Being a bit thick but how do you find BB cup removal tools for road sized cups?
They're usually the same.....ish.
I know. When I stripped the PlanetX to sell I had to leave the BB in 🙁
Oldgit tubs or clinchers?
New ultegra has a smaller OD cup. An adaptor is available
Cheers -SHIMANO TL-FC25 bottom bracket tool adapter? Its cheap to buy but boy UK retailers like to add postage costs. Might just go for a normal sized cup if ok?
You are tighter than a gnatts chuff Hora 😀 What was the quote? You're so tight, stick a lump of coal up your backside and in two weeks you have a diamond.
So I guess you went with the 'made in Taiwan' Ritchey rather than the 'made in Italy' Condor?
The Condor is £150 more, not as attractive and tbh theres more info/reviews out there.
But also- I like the way it looks. Well nice. Between both of them theres probably not that much in it for a hobby cyclist at these price points. The stainless Acciaio is probably waaay lighter but thats also waay more expense 🙂
The first steel road bike I had was more heavy than the condor or Ritchey but very stable. Stables good.