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for a bike frame. Surely it has no inherent advantages over Ti or Carbon.
fashion............ ❓
mrs likes blue steel........... 😉
Price/cost?
Price/cost?
On-One C456
Indy Fab Delux
One is steel, one is made from carbon, one isn't, one costs double what the other does.
One possible advantage of steel over ti and carbon might be price.
Another over aluminium and carbon may be less catastrophic failure 😯
A further advantage if used for 'out there' international touring is ease of repair.
But hey, at the end of the day it's just another option for people to choose from 8)
Colin have you ever ridden a nice steel frame? Back in the day there was no choice. Plenty of benefits too but I suspect you are trolling so I'll leave you to that - shame on you.
Oh and he was tlaking about bolts and you are thus clearly
SELF-PWNED!!!!
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thisisnotaspoon - Member
Price/cost?
On-One C456Indy Fab Delux
One is steel, one is made from carbon, one isn't, one costs double what the other does.
Are you talking about 2 frames or 3? Do you have a point?
One is steel, one is made from carbon, one isn't, one costs double what the other does.
Shirley an example of an exception rather than of a rule? (assuming that the carbon frame is cheaper than the steel one)
It's relatively easy and cheap making bikes out of steel. Ti is hard to manipulate, Carbon is time consuming and has it's own issues like bonding with fixing points.
thisisnotaspoon - Member
"On-One C456"
Yep, only 3 and a half times more expensive than the steel one...
Price, longevity, repairable, easy to custom build, new steels are knocking at the door of ti and carbon weight wise.
cheap, easy to repair, easy to work on, easy to recycle at the end of it's life
You after a tip?
I paid 399 for a C456 and 375 for a Transition TransAM, both are equally as lovely, though the 456 is a few lbs lighter. Both look good too. Rather than debating one versus the other I reckon you should just get one each and love both.
This is surely from the guy who sells Ragleys and doubtlessly other sexual steel bikes? He's having a laugh!
Oops
why not? 'Safest' frame material out there both in terms of design, construction, economics, sustainability and lifetime.
The advantage is if you have 3K to spend on a bike you could possibly make a steel one as light as a Ti one, as you would have 2.6K to spend on superlight componants were with the Ti frame you would have around 1.4K to spend on cheap compoinants and oif you damage the Ti frame oouch, if you damage a steel frame nice and cheap to replace
cynic-al - Member
Colin have you ever ridden a nice steel frame? Back in the day there was no choice. Plenty of benefits too but I suspect you are trolling so I'll leave you to that - shame on you.Oh and he was tlaking about bolts and you are thus clearly
SELF-PWNED!!!!
ltheisinger - Member
> Thought this Thread was going to be about Ti Frames, thats a whole different story,
It was about both really.....just Ti in General.
Cynic-al in "he shoots, he misses" shocka!!
Three_Fish - Member
Price/cost?
psling - Member
One possible advantage of steel over ti and carbon might be price.
samuri - Member
It's relatively easy and cheap making bikes out of steel. Ti is hard to manipulate
oldgit - Member
Price
andyl - Member
why not? 'Safest' frame material out there both in terms of design, construction, economics,
Ah - so steel is for the poor people who can't afford Ti?
One is steel, one is made from shonky Carbon wrapped Glass fiber [s]carbon[/s], one isn't, one costs double what the other does.
There fixed that for you!
Steel frames are produced solely for the benefit of the STW inner circle who recommend them at every conceivable opportunity!
Unfortunately, steel has no place in the real world of performance cycles.
*looks down nose at steel fans*
What is the point of this thread?
Unfortunately, steel has no place in the real world of [s]performance[/s] fashion cycles.
Fixed!
steel HT frames are fantastic for all mountain use. ti and carbon are probably better for xc riders who want to spend the cash but ive just built a ns surge and its the most fun,versitle bike i've ever rode. my previous bike have been alloy HT's and full susser's.
plus the money saved on buying a steel frame(i paid £198 new) can be spent on building it with a top end spec.
also number one option for newbies.
some people do have budgets and that should be appreciated, not sneered at like some people on here do.obviously some of that is trolling though 😉
when you crack it you can get your mate to weld it,nice big snot weld 😮
you can stick magnets to it,
when it goes aw rusty you get that er...rustic look 😮
Never in a million years would i pay for a Ti frame after comparing my Ragley Bluepig against my Brothers Ti version, very slight diffrence when doing big drop offs thats about it, as you say doctor its fashion and look at me bling, im more intrested in riding than people looking at my bike. also if i was to leave my bike next to our Kevs outside the pub i know for a fact mine would never get nicked!! the Ti would definatly go 1st.
I have a Ti frame wrapped in carbon then cooked in steel till 7.28am.
It's better than all your frames melted together.
So it is.
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What a stupid question from someone I thought knew stuff. 🙄
Dunno how long Ti lasts, forever I presume, but can you take it to bits & re-braze it?
No. So thats at least one point of steel.
Mine was built in 1992 BTW.
If you will arrive late to the party 😉
Dunno how long Ti lasts, forever I presume
Nope. Not when I'm riding it it doesn't. Nor does steel. Or carbon. The only material I've not broken (yet) is aluminium. But I imagine that will happen sooner or later.
There is no such thing as a 'bike for life'
[i]There is no such thing as a 'bike for life'[/i]
Soz Pete but I've busted that one before (cracked at the dropout/chainstay interface) new chainstay & fatter seatstay brazed back on. It's unique now cos it's got a fatter seatstay on the brake side.
Triggers brush, as I've said many times before on here.
[i]If you will arrive late to the party[/i]
Some people work late for a living.
How did my post get missinterpreted?
O-O Carbon 456 (carbon) £400
IF Delux (steel) $1850
Ok, I was wrong the steel bike is 3x the price, so therefore 3x better :p
Steel seems like dreadful stuff to make forks, handlebars, stems, seatposts out of, but great stuff to make frames out of, weird.
Steel seems like dreadful stuff to make forks
Depends what you want out of them. Rigid forks form aluminium are horrible and only found on seriously nasty cheep road bikes as theyre just stiff and not particualrly light. Steel and carbon get used a lot in rigid forks as you want/need a bit of 'twang'*.
Suspension forks need to be as stiff as possible, flex both stops them functioning properly as the bushings bind and isn't a desirable characteristic*. Hence the best ones get made from aluminium alloy and magnesium alloys.
* a suspension fork still needs some flex as well, but generally there's more than enough inherent in the design.
[i]Ah - so steel is for the poor people who can't afford Ti? [/i]
Yep. Or for people who don't think it's worth the money. See also 4x4's, branded clothing/shoes, branded razors, Apple Mac's, 3d TV's, disk brake cleaner, etc.etc.
Lots of people can easily afford these things but choose not to buy them for reasons of their own, it's highly likely that they've made an intelligent decision and decided that just because something is fashionable, it's not necessarily better.
Ah - so steel is for the poor people who can't afford Ti?
there was me thinking Ti was for people who couldn't afford a steel bike.
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oh well live and learn.
I dont do road bike riding / racing but i know a few people that do, admittingly they are middle aged so have been around a while on the bike scene, but there true ridding bike is steel, they all say it is the best most comfortable ride they have, some have carbon frames too, but all prefer the steel frames did you know them road bike frames are 0.2mm thick, one of my mates showed me that you can push the frame in with your finger!!
Chris Marshall also rides a stainless steel framed bike!