Hi chaps,
Earlier in the week Several Stott posted a review of the Alpine 6 on Bikeradar, and gave it a pretty low rating.
Now... It's gone.
Anyone know what happened to the review?
Cheers
Ricks
Trousered?
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Maybe there is an advert due or something.
Ouch, in a world where every bike gets 4-5 star reviews....
Says it was published in what Mtb though?
Given I dislike how the Alpine 160 feels on the granny (ie. with chainline below pivot) I did wonder when I saw one of these in the shop a 'Degla how it would ride (other than, badly).
"74.5-degree effective seat angle is pretty slack" Really?
Don't remember seeing that review in the mag but it's either an old review or a very long term one, the pic is from the kinlochleven enduro last november.
How much does it cost to get a shit review taken down?
I read that review in what MTB recently, month before the last issue I think.
He's described how my 2011 Alpine 160 felt. Right up to the point where I put a large volume spacer in the shock.
There's bits of that review that don't add up. A higher pivot should make it handle square edged bumps better and the effect of chain growth / pedal feedback should also help.
But what do I know?
I didn't think the pivot was higher? Wasn't the big thing with doing away with the front mech the ability to put the pivot lower and nearer the bb and seat post?
I didn't think the pivot was higher
it's [i]much[/i] higher. On an Alpine 160 the pivot is in line with the chain on a 32T ring presumably deliberately in order to eliminate chain/pedal feedback on the most popular size front ring).
My 160 is running 3x10.
OK I'm a deviant, but it is s bike that absolutely comes alive with s wide selection of gears.
I've never understood why they (Orange) don't incorporate a high idler on the bigger bikes, especially now they are committing to 1x set ups .
I remember seeing a few 224's at races back in the day with idlers retrofitted.
I've got an alpine 6 rs and it is incredible. Not sure why It got a poor review. Was never interested in an orange but thought i'd try one at a free demo day and loved it. Maybe it got a poor review because they didn't hand over the brown envelope like most other average bikes that get bizarrely good reviews.....Or maybe they have paid it now and that's why it got took down!
Demo bikes don't go off magazine reviews
Nice to see its "taught under power".
74.5 degree seat angle is roadbike steep.
Several reviews of the previous version (Alpine 160) pinpointed the Rockshox Monarch as being to blame for poor rear performance. The "wallowing under seated climbing" & "highly sagged" suspension setup support this. The sensation of chain growth will be exaggerated by poorly setup suspension.
I swapped the rockshox on mine to a CCDBAIR and it's bloody marvellous. Climbs well, descends quicker than my old 224; what's not to like - its mint..!
Seb knows what he's talking about but also knows very much what he likes, and that's very very long very very slack bikes. He's also not keen on the suspension of Oranges - he told me to get a Transition Patrol over a Five (and stick an angleset in it, obviously) and he was right.
Certainly isn't affected by brown envelopes, he's not keen on most "normal" modern bikes!
Also it's a 2.5 rating, which means it's average. Not a total dud.
74.5 degree seat angle is roadbike steep.
Even steeper than most - in the 50-52cm plus range.
74.5 degree seat angle is roadbike steep.
Maybe you're at the opposite end of the height range to me, but every road bike I've had has had a slacker seat angle (72-72.5) than every mountain bike I've had (73+).
Id been looking for online professional (ie not written by an owner) reviews of thr alpine 6,couldnt really find any apart from a few 'first looks' last year.
Thought it was odd there werent any. Maybe it because its not too good. It looks great on paper,but unless some other reviews appear giving it top marks i think i can scratch it off my shortlist
It's back up now: [url= http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/orange-alpine-6-s-review-51294/ ]http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/orange-alpine-6-s-review-51294/[/url]
Editor's note: The original review of this bike was temporarily taken offline on 11 June following a discussion between BikeRadar testers who, having ridden the bike, held different opinions on its performance. This revised review more accurately reflects the findings of our test team as a whole.
The review doesn't look at first glance to be much different. It has gained half a star.
How can bike radar give the 2017 orange 5 a rave review where they talk about how good the single pivot suspension is all the way through then criticise the alpine 6 for the exact same suspension design and shock location?
Editor's note: The original review of this bike was temporarily taken offline on 11 June following a discussion between BikeRadar testers who, having ridden the bike, held different opinions on its performance. This revised review more accurately reflects the findings of our test team as a whole.
*POOF* There goes what little credibility bike radar ever had regarding reviews.
[quote=mkeyg ]How can bike radar give the 2017 orange 5 a rave review where they talk about how good the single pivot suspension is all the way through then criticise the alpine 6 for the exact same suspension design and shock location?
Different pivot location, shock tune, intended use, shock spec...
*POOF* There goes what little credibility bike radar ever had regarding reviews.
Yeah, it does seem poor that they're trying to present a balanced view of a bike based on more than one tester's impressions.
mkeyg » How can bike radar give the 2017 orange 5 a rave review where they talk about how good the single pivot suspension is all the way through then criticise the alpine 6 for the exact same suspension design and shock location?Different pivot location, shock tune, intended use, shock spec...
And of course a different reviewer.
Some people seem to click with Oranges and some don't, eh?
Indeed. And I don't think Seb is a particular fan of how they ride.
I think anyone would be nuts to buy one untested, considering how easy it is to demo them and how un-cheap they are.
Some people seem to click with Oranges and some don't, eh?
That's my point tbh. Demo bikes and make your own minds up. It's not rocket science. People put too Much stock in what magazine reviews say. Sheep
Alpine 6 got 3.5 stars in the MBUK that I was just leafing through.
Identified similar issues with the suspension, but reviewer not named.
Just for the record, like.
Do Orange realise that it's 2017 and suspension has moved on since the original Proflex designs?
Indeed. And I don't think Seb is a particular fan of how they ride.
I don't understand how someone with such views could be an independent tester/reviewer if they aren't open minded enough to be unbiased from the off???
If he doesn't like a particular bike why is he reviewing it? I'm not saying the reviewer should be a brand fanboi, but they should at least be neutral.
I'm not an orange fanboi btw, I can't afford to be!!
The best person to review a bike is yourself. Look at what and where you ride, decide on your budget and what sort of style bike your after (travel etc) and get out and do some demo days and buy the one that you like best.
Wasn't long ago bike mags were telling us how good 29ers are, then when everyone bought them the next thing they pushed were 27.5 then enduro. Now enduro bikes are too long travel so we should all be riding shorter travel bikes, and plus size. It's hilarious! Won't be long till the next big thing will be 26 inch wheels again!
Am I first to say filed away?
dragon - Member
Do Orange realise that it's 2017 and suspension has moved on since the original Proflex designs?
You do realise they're not remotely the same design, right (though you're quite right, no one seems to use mac struts for bikes these days apart from the occasional BSO)?
I reckon Dragon should ring them up to let them know.
mkeyg - MemberWasn't long ago bike mags were telling us how good 29ers are, then when everyone bought them the next thing they pushed were 27.5 then enduro. Now enduro bikes are too long travel so we should all be riding shorter travel bikes, and plus size.
I literally just finished reading a MBUK review last night in which the Trek Slash won hands down- a massive long travel 29er. I don't see what you're seeing. There was certainly no "27.5 then enduro"- as if it's 2 different things. And they've not moved away from enduro bikes at all.
Take a look at the Dirt 100 this year: Alpine 6 is in there, along with Stage 5. I've done a few rides on each and both were mint in their own way, but they did both have the X2 shock on them. Ended up buying a 2017 Five which is bloody awesome - just right for me and where/what/how I ride (Calderdale, Lakes, Alps). Nothing wrong with single pivot design - it can just take a bit of getting used to if you're new to it, and I guess it might not impress quite so many onlookers looking for fancy new sh*t to drool over.
As well as the Dirt 100 review there are more Alpine6 mag reviews if you scroll down the page...
https://www.orangebikes.co.uk/bikes/alpine-6-s