[Closed] Wgho else wants a Singular Puffin??

I'd love one but it's never going to happen 🙁

Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission!! 🙂

I'd love one but if you're going to buy a fatty why would you choose this over the on-one fatty?

This is not a dig, I am a Singular fan BTW.

I suppose it's the same as why buy a swift over an inbred but it just seems less important when you're on 4inch tyres...

I've been toying with the idea of a On-One Fatty for a couple of months - but the Singular option really appealed to me

I suppose I'm just keen on helping a small British business get something unusual of the ground

if you're going to buy a fatty why would you choose this over the on-one fatty?

I'd like to think a few reasons, but fundamentally they are quite different bikes. Not least the OO being al whereas yhe Puffin is steel. The geometry is also very different, plus the Puffin will look much nicer. Shiggy's comments on my Facebook page were quite interesting.

The on-one actually is quite gopping compared to the Puffin....in my opinion.
Has to look aesthetically correct

The geometry is also very different, plus the Puffin will look much nicer. Shiggy's comments on my Facebook page were quite interesting.

Hmm.

{wonders if something is about to kick off...}

I wasn't wanting to make any negative inferences about the On One - I've ridden one a bit and liked it, but I wanted to create something quite different from it - which I think the Puffin will be. All comments are obviously IMO only.

I'd love to buy a Puffin, I already have a Gryphon. But I also have a Mukluk and don't need/have room/can afford another bike.

The good thing is, nearly all the bits from your Mukluk will swap straight over 🙂

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Arrrrgggghhh, stop it!! 😆

Want, yes. Afford? No 🙁

I did check the link, and it does appeal.
I`m just not sure I can face going back to that kind of bike weight to ride in the flatlands

Sam, im waiting for the 29+ 😉

I'm in!

"Sam, im waiting for the 29+ "

Me too.

I've gone for a puffin over the onone, 2 main reasons are the onone doesn't have the option of being SS the other reason is its an on one.

lol @swavis 🙂

OH will never notice (on second thoughts, probably will..)

Will it be available as a full build post kickstarter?

Gingo -
I've gone for a puffin over the onone, 2 main reasons are the onone doesn't have the option of being SS the other reason is its an on one.

Plus the decals on the on one would clash with your hair.. 😀

2 more backers in the last 24 hours!! Wahoo!

The on-one actually is quite gopping compared to the Puffin....in my opinion.

This.

Received an email from Sam today saying they only need 10 more backers - great news!! 🙂

9 needed now 😀

Yeah, we are looking good to get there now!

steveoath - Member
Will it be available as a full build post kickstarter?

I will be offering hubs and headsets if it happens, and will also be able to take on a limited number of complete builds.

Cranks & Bottom brackets?

29+ for me also.

Now over £16k! Nearly there!

Should be able to source cranks and BB's as well.

Takisawa, I didn't want to make the chainstays an inch longer. There is a dedicated 29+ bike in the pipeline.

I know I might be in an uneconomical minority, but if the Puffin were available in small (with ETT like a medium Gryphon) I'd buy it in a heartbeat at the full price! I assume it is possible, since the head angle and offset make the front-centre long like the Gryphon.

It's a possibility s-keeper - if we overshoot the target by a good amount then I may well order a few in a smaller size.

I notice the target's been reached.

That's good news, but lack of a small size keeps me "Out" for the time being

I keep looking at Fat bikes in general and keep wondering. I do fancy one but it would only ever be as a 2nd or maybe even 3rd choice. Its very hard ti ignore the On One Fatty bundle for £500. Like many, I have a stack of bike flotsam knocking about and all I'd need on top of that bundle would be a bottom bracket. And I'd defo want it in readiness for winters gloop. Think I've just talked myself into one!

I really like the look of the Specialized Fatboy, but £2500 for the expert model is a lot to splash on a bike without a demo....
The Puffin looks lovely, but sadly not my size

It looks pretty cool - I'm a novice at bike building though - how much would a pretty basic set of components set me back?

Dom. there is talk of a small if the target overshoots Sam has hinted he may be able to do a few
on another forum

I jumped in with £1000 to go so in for a bollocking from the missus

Let's say if we hit £25k I will do a size small as well. Not sure if I can add a 'stretch goal' at this late stage, I will try. Basically the top and seat tubes will both be an inch or so shorter with a couple of other little tweaks.

Dammit.

New Swift to run a 29+ front wheel and a large volume 2.4'' out back or go full fat.

The OO isn't long enough in the TT for my liking but the Puffin will be.

Hmm.

How about a buy one get one half price deal 😉

trout - Member

Dom. there is talk of a small if the target overshoots Sam has hinted he may be able to do a few
on another forum

I jumped in with £1000 to go so in for a bollocking from the missus

That is the other thing holding me back at the moment, she would go ballistic 😳

But Sam, that does sound good 😀

How about a buy one get one half price deal

If you back the Kickstarter and do a pre-order on a Swift that is effectively what you are getting, in fact even a better deal than that!

Something along these lines for a size S?

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If we get to £25k and there are at least 5 backers who want a size S then it will happen.

Got the money sitting but decided to stick with another new Pugsley black frame- on the way from the USofA, as the 29+ wheels fitting a fat bike was the deciding factor, already owning a set.

But it`s good the Puffin is coming from the UK 🙂

Folk can say all the marketing, with the geometry stuff but a Pugs works fine on trails with the 4" set up, and the Krampus 29+ wheels,

I want one steel bike that takes both wheel sets for weekends/ summer hols away in the car - 2 bikes in one for the best of both worlds,ideal for fun in the Highlands - or Scottish Borders for that matter,

Maybe the Puffin will be a fast bike on trails

Maybe any 29+ bike is a fast bike on trails,

The geometry of the Pugs with both wheel sets (4" and 29+) works fine on err trails :-), fast enough for me anyways, but seriously,

The Puffin still looks to be the nicest option for an inline steel fat bike, and it is British 😉

Said it already, best of luck with this... 🙂

Oh a Reynolds 853 inline fatbike please (that takes 29+ also) and i`m in

It didn't ask me what size I wanted, but just to let you know that you now need one backer less for a size S 🙂

Hey Sam

Now that you've nearly reached your stretch goal of £25K, how about having a dropper compatible seat tube...

Any details on the wheel sets your hoping to offer?

Just starting to pull the necessary equipment together, and with the wheels being the major cost driver, i'm keen to know what the options are

Thanks

Jon

Details on the wheel sets could convince me to sign up..... Wheels for me are the only real unknown cost.

@Wharfedale - you can get a set of wheels from On One for £300

I want a full 1x9 bike, you lot can phiddle & phaff with your combinations.. Just give me the Bike..so I can ride it... pwleeezee 😆

I do have one question.. Them rims, do they come pre drilled ??
😉

not from on-one they don't

You can already get a dropper in 27.2 and thomson are bringing one out as well

If you don't get the usual quick reply I think Sam's busy riding at the world masters in Manchester today and tomorrow

I'm a Reverb man through & through 🙂

Gone over £25000 now.

Does anyone know the approximate weight of the prototype?

ssnowman - Member
Does anyone know the approximate weight of the prototype?

Not quite answering your question but the expected weight of a Medium is 2.7kg. I think that I read somewhere that the prototypes are heavier

And now appears to have slipped back to just short of £24k with 24h to go, oddly.

I'm in. 8)

Not for a small one though. 😉

Just coming to terms with [u]needing[/u] to spend £700 odd on wheels and tyres 😆

I've shelved the idea of a Krampus or a Caribou in favour of the Puffin.

Roll on February 🙂

a 30.9mm ST would [s]have[/s] be[s]en[/s] great [s]though[/s] thanks 😉

letmetalktomark - Member
...Just coming to terms with needing to spend £700 odd on wheels and tyres

I've shelved the idea of a Krampus or a Caribou in favour of the Puffin.

You won't regret it. You may as well start culling your other bikes now. 🙂

A couple of pointers for people coming new to fatbikes.

You don't have to spend a fortune on wheels. The On-One option is pretty reasonable, and also you can buy fat rims from chopper bike specialists. That way you don't pay the fat tax.

A couple of rim suppliers:

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[url= http://www.robsson.de ]Robsson in Germany[/url]

The critical thing will be getting your hands on a 100mm BB. All of a sudden there's going to be 50 odd people looking for the same thing, and this is a component that can be hard to find. The cheapest way is to get a 100mm ISIS BB so you can use any old ISIS crankset (and good ones are cheap).

Bear in mind fatbike components come into the country in dribbles and once they're out we usually have to wait till next year for more.

So don't miss winter, get your bits now, and don't forget the tyres. 🙂

Looks like it's back over the £25k mark again! I guess when it fell below that a couple of people who wanted a small also pulled out?

letmetalktomark - Member
a 30.9mm ST would [s]have [/s]be[s]en[/s] great [s]though [/s]thanks

Mark - I think it's a 27.2? 😕

So, for the sake of argument, lets say I'd been in on this and had just received the 'choose your size' email.

I'm not sure which one to go for.

Looking at the numbers (particularly the top tube/reach) on the kickstarter page and comparing with the ones on a Titus Fireline and Liteville 301 (both of which I have a medium of and like how they ride) it looks like the medium is similar.

But I'm way over the height that Sam's suggesting for the Medium and in the upper half of the large puffin one.

*confused*

what would you do?

wwaswas - Member
...what would you do?

I deliberately went down a size on my Pugsley to get a little bit more knacker room. You can ride quite soft surfaces on a fatbike, but when you come to a stop and put your feet down they sink right in - at which point you appreciate the extra clearance. 🙂 So if you're intending to ride on snow or bog, that's worth considering.

Fatbike riding is a bit different from normal mtb stuff - unless of course you're planning sticking to the same sort of riding you're currently doing.

@wwaswas I compared with my existing bike as well.

Fortunately my existing bike is a Swift 🙂

So not much help I'm afraid

I'd go by top tube length.
I'm 6'2" and 34" inside leg and have gone for a large. I had a large Gryphon and it was perfect.

Anyone else clock that the Puffin fork is set up for front hub spaced 135mm hubs (ie Jones/Paul WHUB) and not rear spaced (ie pretty much every other fat bike front hub, incl Hope Fatsno)?

Hope front fatsno's are 135mm. It's fat front standard I think 😉

Front hub is 135mm OLD spacing using standard [b]rear[/b] brake disc alignment

http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemid=spg394&tab=specification

A fatsno will work fine. I'm sure it's the same spacing as the Enabler on my Muk and I use fatsno's with no problems.

The Enabler is set up to work with a REAR spaced 135mm hub.

Exactly, that's why it works with my fatsno's 😉

But not with the Singular forks - unless you do some spacing.

The production forks will use a front standard disc mount, allowing any 135mm ISO disc hub to be used. Hubs built on a rear hub disc standard (eg. Hope, Surly, or any 135mm rear hub) will need to have the brake caliper/adapter spaced across by 4mm - i.e. a couple of washers. This allows maximum flexibility for use of any type of hub.

Someone with access to a decent machine shop could make up some nice adapters.....

Ahh I misunderstood, my bad.

Hmm, a little project for tomorrow morning then 😀

On the sizing thing .... I'm 6' 2" and a tiny bit.

I went with the XL.

Nice long TT so I can run a short stem but still under (just) 20" ST.

I cannot see me actually riding it on snow 😉

Roll on Feb.

scotroutes - Member
But not with the Singular forks - unless you do some spacing.

The production forks will use a front standard disc mount, allowing any 135mm ISO disc hub to be used. Hubs built on a rear hub disc standard (eg. Hope, Surly, or any 135mm rear hub) will need to have the brake caliper/adapter spaced across by 4mm - i.e. a couple of washers. This allows maximum flexibility for use of any type of hub.
Someone with access to a decent machine shop could make up some nice adapters.....

Trying to get my head round this too! So I get a normal adaptor and use some washers to push the calliper inboard by 4mm? Is it as simple as that?

Hope make disc rotor spacers in 1 & 2mm spacing which could move the rotor out ... If I remember correctly the offset is 5mm

Also white brothers make an adaptor which is v expensive

The notion of sticking 5mm worth of washers into a brake mount isn't one that would fill me full of joy, it has to be said.

All you need is The Carver 5mm Disc spacer, comes with longer rotor bolts... 🙄

Not rocket science 😉

Sure Tim at Sideways have em, i got one for my Jones fork that i opened out from 9mm to 10mm to take Fatso hubs 🙂

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