I think having no spacers above the stem is ok (it's how I have my Corto and how I had other stem on the Wazoo fork). It's another aspect I'm not so sure on for the swap to the carbon fork, because some googling has suggested there should be a spacer between the stem and the topcap, but given how the carbon fork will raise the front end by ~10cm this is not going to be an issue for my back!
Headsets definitely fubbard. Doesn't appear too have any bearings in it at all, just plastic washers that slide on each other. Now I've loosened the whole thing off when putting on the new stem it won't go beck together probably.
So I'll need to figure out Wyatt is compatible with the bike.
Nobody, killing time in a hotel here rather than being particularly interested in your saddle height just before it looks odd pitching in with this, but 87cm bb to top at 5ft 10? I'm a bit over 6ft and 77 cm is right for me on the mtb. That could sort your low front end issue.. your saddle may be way too high.
@dahedd Headset is apparently an FSA no.11N http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/voodoo-wazoo-whats-in-the-headset
If it is shot, take it back to the store and get them to sort it, the bike is only months old! They are ~£15 new, but a direct replacement ought to be free in your situation.
@jameso 87cm is pedal axle to saddle height, ~69.5cm BB to saddle (175mm cranks), for my short ~31" legs for someone 5'10" 😉
I'll fIsh out the paper work that came with it once I'm home from work tonight & give the Elgin store a buzz see what they say. If not I'll get the guys at the LBS to check it out.
Has anyone got around the spacing issue when fitting the onone carbon fatty fork to the Wazoo.? I got one in the sale and re-space the axle by a few mm then re-dished the wheel slightly. Seems to work OK up to now.
That makes a lot more sense : ) 'BB to Top' mentioned on last page and I did think no wonder you have a bad back.. !
@neilsonheels I purposely bought Fatty front wheel for £34 in current PX sale because it is Rear Disc Spaced, just like the carbon fatty fork. Kyak23 got round the spacing issue by lathing the disc mount.
How did you sort out a crown race for the carbon Fatty fork? I might end up asking Halfords to sort a race out for me, the 6 month service is due in September, the chaps who did the pdi were pretty decent.
How did you sort out a crown race for the carbon Fatty fork?
I'm the resident mechanic at my local Halfords so I had access to a park tool crown race remover. To be honest it was proper tight.
Got the headset issue sorted, wasn't bust, just me being dumb. Needed another washer/spacer under the new stem, wasn't high enough too clamp properly.
So next upgrade (Xmas time or next year)....
Dropper post? http://www.tredz.co.uk/.RSP-Plummet-Remote-Dropper-Seat-Post_70234.htm
Or
Suspension seat post? http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cane-Creek-Thudbuster-LT-Suspension-Seatpost_44793.htm
I'm thinking dropper post given what I'm most likely to be riding.
Check the base of your default post, from memory I think mine was/is 31.6mm.
Good to hear the headset was not shot already, I keep meaning to check up on 49OD straight steerer alternatives to the FSA 11N.
The dropper on the link should fit fine. Plus it's external so I can ziptie it onto the rear brake cable & route it that way.
Would be interested in seeing photos of your upgraded wazoos
Tbf mine is fairly basic. I just swapped the stem, bars & tyres. Seen lovely green carbon forks on eBay though.
I'm still trying to decide about a seat post. Was in my FLB on thursday getting my full suss worked on. Guy there's had fatties for years, think he's got 3. He's telling me just to get a carbon post & ignore the dropper, says the inherent flex in a carbon post is all i'll need.
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Would be interested in seeing photos of your upgraded wazoos
On-One fatty carbon forks, carbon Raleigh DH bars, SDG I-Beam seat and post, funky DMR plastic pedals and ODI grips. Also ghetto tubeless. Lost a fair bit of weight from all that.
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Hi Folks.
My first post, apologies for not introducing myself as it is a bit of an emergency.
Just bought a Wazoo Frame on Ebay.
Can someone please tell me what size of hubs it would take or better give me the measurements of the original hubs ?
Thanks
135 front and 170 rear.
If it came with default fork, you want FDS front hub, unless you buy an RDS to FDS converter for ~£20.
Thanks, Nobody
Forgot to mention, Wazoo is QR front and rear, but you probably spotted that.
You fancy using http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/hope-custom-mtb-disc-front-wheel/rp-prod63716 (and the rear option too) to get a set of wheels made up using Hope Fatsno hubs.
I'd go RDS front hub because it can be converted to FDS using http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/frames-forks-c6/frame-fork-spares-c152/problem-solvers-fat-fork-disc-adaptor-p11825/s33072?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=problem-solvers-fat-fork-disc-adaptor-bdps0360&utm_campaign=product%2Blisting%2Bads&gclid=CjwKEAjww9O3BRDp1tq0jIP023YSJAB0-j1SU_dsTW89rhaEqSptKAfBf-stt_eqsta-Bkx8U5jlQhoCLzTw_wcB , enabling you to fit the wheels to FDS forks like the default or RDS forks like the Fatty Carbon Fork at PX.
again Thanks Nobody.
So I pulled the trigger on the frame believing that I had a set of good wheels lined up but it turned out the wheels where 150 front.
I'm looking at the link you gave me, is there other option for a set of wheels at a reasonable price ? I'm ok with all other components.
Don't on-one do wheels that fit the fatty?
I'm considering selling mine complete. Shame as you've just bought the frame.
Kayak, on one do wheels alright but the price is a bit high as of today.
what size is yours ? do you have upgrades ?
thanks
It's a medium. No it'll be put back to near stock as I want to take my carbon forks and bars over to my next fatty.
It's set up ghetto tubeless zero issues if that's considered an upgrade...
Hi Folks, apologies for the probably silly question. Would the wazoo take a 1x 11 ? also I'm a bit unfit but I also do not expect to climb the alps in Ireland, would the 1x11 be enough for my legs ? thanks for any suggestion
I'm looking to upgrade my set as well. Looking for suggestions.
Sorry to bump an old thread but Kayak23 could you talk me through the way you did your Ghetto tubeless conversion. I take it you were using the default wheels that came with the bike.
Interested in this as well.
No problem. There's a few videos knocking about but basically;
*Removed all the rim tape.
*made fancy coloured rim tape by using some coloured duck tape which I wrapped around the rim sticky side out, secured with little bits of tape.
*Bought a camping mat for £5 from Argos and cut a continuous strip off it just wide enough to fill the 'valley' of the rim. Wrapped it around putting a tiny bit of stretch into it, cut it to length and taped the join.
*Got a 24" inner tube and cut it with scissors all the way down the outermost seam. Cleaned it up of chalk.
*pushed the valve through the rim and secured it, then opened the tube out over the rim edges.
*mounted the tyre and wiped a bit of Stans along the tyre beads to help it pop easily then tried to move the tyre beads outwards as best I could.
*Put in about two little red cups of Stans.
*Put a luggage strap around the tyre to help keep it on the rim during the initial pop. An inner tube would probably do the same but this step is not always required.
*Connected my compressor, lifted the wheel slightly to take the weight, and gave it a quick blast. Mine popped into the rim very easily actually but you may need to mess about a bit to get it seated.
*Shake it about like a mofo.
*Trim excess split tube from rim.
*Go be radical.
I've not touched mine since. Been faultless.
I've since put the Wazoo up for sale and got myself a Dune which I prefer so am going to try the same technique on that soon.
Good luck.
Edit. I think this is the main one I looked at before having a go.
i used v wide electical tape such as http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-BLACK-ELECTRICAL-PVC-INSULATION-TAPE-3-75mm-33m-EXTRA-LONG-SUPER-WIDE-BS3924-/162230796204?hash=item25c5b57fac:g:pvYAAOSwubRXMFiI
twi wraps, tubelss valve and a bonty flash charger and they seem to work. very old battered rolling darryl rims here
Decided to buy one of those DFS £56 cheesy rim and handsome hub rear 170mm q/r fat wheels. Knowing my luck, they will no doubt be reduced in the "cake number" sale to £42.
Should be a step-up from the default Wazoo rear and could well be a bit lighter too, figured it was worth getting to fit and keep default as an emergency backup.
Having deliberated for ages on what else to buy to qualify for free postage on orders over £100, given a lot of bits I wanted went up in price in this "lazy caterer" sale, I then discovered they have excluded wheel orders from this "offer!" No such issues back in the summer when I bought my FatNoFat set, plus I got cashback back then and that is gone too now. 👿
Looking at getting a fat not fat 29er wheel set for mine, using it for a bit of commuting along a cycle path. Any ideas where I might find such a thing?
On-One did them I believe but I can't seem to find them on the PX website
I don't think PX have produced any more since I grabbed the second to last set back in the summer. 🙁
ChainReaction do custom Hope wheels, but they don't seem to stock the correct 170mm q/r rear Fatsno hub the Wazoo needs, while getting a front wheel built is going to set you back north of £150.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/wheels?f=2258
PX do have 135mm q/r front hubs, but no rear 170mm q/r hubs that I can see, which at £21 might be worth having as a spare if not built into a wheel.
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/HUELFATF/el-guapo-fat-hub-32-hole-front
Might be worth keeping your eyes peeled on the classified here, UK Fat Bike and Ebay etc. I have some across PX FatNotfat wheelsets being for sale earlier in 2016, but I've not seen anything recently.
Oh well nvm. Might get some slicks then instead. That our just splash out on a hybrid. Looking at coming in to Aberdeen along the old railway line.
Sometimes I do wonder if I should have been more sensible instead of leftfield and gone with a Voodoo Marasa or similar, perhaps upgrading to a carbon fork. For £300, it's a very decent spec bike, espcially if you get a nicer set of tyres.
http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/hybrid-bikes/voodoo-marasa-hybrid-bike
http://nextdaytyres.co.uk/search.aspx?search=26%20FAT have the Vee Speedsters (wish i had bought a set of the PX 26" BSC Type1s now for ~£10, now got a set of the 29x2.3s) and more weighty Chicanes for ~£50 each.
I've not looked at bike bits that much recently, but I'm still waiting to spot the new Vee Apache fatty Slicks to buy in the UK, which might just fit our bikes... And then possibly faint at the asking price! 😆
I've been looking at this
https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-lithium-3-2017-hybrid-bike-EV275573
but that Voodoo looks pretty good. I'd be doing about 60 miles a week in & out an old railway line. I was hoping to avoid getting another bike but its as cheap to get that as building new wheels would be.
Going to bounce this old thread back up to the top.
Has anyone taken their steel front forks off and replaced them with suspension? I've been torn between going for a Carbon front end or Suspension, the last few rides out using the Voodoo instead of my Stumpie have killed my back and shoulders, all singletrack steep and bumpy.
So i reckon it could be upgrade time after my birthday (though im very conscious of going mad on what was a £500 bike)
I've a few questions if you don't mind folks.
1. would a carbon fork be easier on my arms, back?
2. How heavy is the stock steel fork ? The Renegade forks im tempted to get are 2.1kg so i assume it'll make the bike even heavier but might ease the pain on the local stuff.
3. Tapered Steerer, so i`ll need a new headset ? Recommendations ?
4. Bolt through axle so i'll need to chat my mate who is the local FBS mech to rebuilt my front wheel with new hub. Hope ? DT Swiss ?
Cheers in advance folks.
I'm getting the ~1.5Kg default fork replaced with a carbon On One (~650g including bung) this weekend all being well, now that the Hope Integral headset has arrived at LBS.
When LBS took the default headset apart, they said there was no identification on it to know what crown race they could safely install on the carbon fork and leave the existing one on the alloy fork.
They suggested removing default headset to keep with alloy fork and get a new headset including crown race to fit on carbon forks. I decided to go with the more expensive Hope, thinking they will will be trouble free for longer than something like an FSA.
So all being well, I can remove the RDS to FDS convertor off the 29er wheels soon and get the On One RDS fat wheel ready for action. 8)
The "chewy" carbon Knucleball bars make a big difference over rough ground, I suspect carbon forks will further enhance that.
The first thing I changed was the handle bars on your recommendation and its certainly improved the handling, so much so I fancy getting a set for the old full sus my wife rides.
My local Fat bike enthusiast is telling me not to go with suspension but I'm finding it hard going on some of the stuff I normally ride on my Stumpie. The Planet X forks are certainly the cheapest way (£100) to go mind you.
edit... NoBody, which Hope headset did you go with ? and if I stick with the original Voodoo wheels will I need to brake converter ?
The cheapest overall upgrade I know of is still http://www.carboncycles.cc/?s=0&c=105&p=1780&tb=001 for a carbon set of straight steerer, FDS forks, that the default FDS Wazoo wheel will work with.
There are headsets out there that will allow straight steerer head tubes to run tapered forks, going on this old article, which sounds like a real possibility for the Wazoo http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/new-headset-allows-use-of-tapered-steerers-in-some-1-1-8in-head-tubes-25275/
If you bought a tapered fork, such as slimjim78's Bluto in the classified, you would need a front wheel that had a 150mm hub, the cheapest option I know of would be http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WBOOEELF/on-one-emmental-fat-rim-on-el-guapo-fat-hubs (although it does not say if the 150mm front is FDS like the Bluto), or online you could build a Hope Fatsno hub front wheel for ~£200 before British Cycling discount at http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/hope-custom-mtb-disc-front-wheel/rp-prod63716 , or maybe your LBS can do you a deal to build something up.
RDS hubs that will fit the On One carbon fork are getting harder to find, I really wish now I had bought one of those Hope Pro 2 EVO Fatsno hubs that CRC had for ~£40 last summer as a spare. They only have the FDS version now, I was lucky to grab a complete RDS front wheel from PX last summer for £34.
I think it was http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/hope-integral-semi-integrated-zs44-headset/rp-prod18084 that my LBS ordered up for me from Hope, it's getting fitted tomorrow with the carbon fork to pick up tomorrow afternoon (all being well).
I'm chatting to my mate who is the bike mech, he totally rejigged my Stumpjumper for me recently. He's definately more inclined towards the On-One fork like you have. Do i need the spacer from Triton if i want to use the standard Wazoo wheels for now ??. Must remember to get more spacers if it raises up the front end.
Sadly, the Front Disc Spaced default Wazoo wheels cannot use an adapter to fit the Rear Disc Spaced carbon On One fork.
The adapter i bought from Triton makes RDS wheels fit an FDS fork, like the default Wazoo fork.
You need to find an RDS hub or complete wheel to use with the RDS carbon On One fork. Or have a chat with kayak23 on here, about using a lathe the reduce your brake mount bolt sections by 4.8mm. 😉
Maybe contact PlanetX to clarify if their any of their 135mm hub fat wheels will fit their carbon fork disc spacing.
Oh well that buggers that then. I'll have a look at the eXotic fork instead. Hopefully that'll work.
Might have to link my mate into this thread, get his, advice as I'll no doubt be pestering him when I'm putting it together.
