[Closed] Vigilante Motorist and could the cyclist 'fess up?

I was thinking Chuck Norris after reading the headline but he would have punched the car off the wing mirror.

Bike looks like a Peugeot

Regardless of the ins and outs of the incident leading up to this, there's no excuse for punching a mirror off. Suggests some anger issues.

Bellendery all round. Being on 2 wheels doesn't automatically allow you to be a cock.

Muddydwarf?

The police didn't seem so bothered by this incident, and in fact apportioned blame to the cyclist.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/video/2013/aug/08/nottingham-police-cyclist-video

I actually knocked the mirror of a car when I was younger, when the passenger threw a half full can of pop at me as they passed, and then had to stop at the next set of lights.

It is easy to label it as the rider having anger issues, but the reality is that cyclists are frequently under attack from either just plane bad driving or frequently deliberate aggression, and it isn't an equal situation, all the danger is on the cyclist.

I had something similar to this last month, no leaning on the horn but a truck turned in on me as soon as his cab had passed me. I can't be sure if it was deliberate or just an act of stupidity, but if I had to ride off the road onto the dirt verge to avoid ending under the trucks wheels. If I could have caught the driver I would have kicked the **** out of him, and it still wouldn't come close to the danger he put me in.

Jesus MSP that guardian link! Can't see how was he 'partly to blame' for being shunted off his bike, that is ridiculous. Asshats.

My issue with helmet cams has always been the inevitable arms race and the number of angry cyclist blogs cropping up. Some are very justified, some more whiney.

Whatever, we can complain about anti cycle hate, but video posting and attacks on vehicles are not helping, and it's hardly a surprise that drivers are increasingly filming their surroundings also.

I'm still angry about a mate who had his bike destroyed and was hospitalised for weeks by a driver in a Range Rover, who Police decided not to prosecute although as the driver was a Headmaster at a local school and it might affect his job - and the cyclist was actually told this. He's struggling to even get the value of the bike back as the drivers' insurers are being arses pointing at the Police decision) the official one)

Can't be anybody from here. Everybody on here rides pickenflicks/London Roads/CdF's or the eq. 😀

I'm still angry about a mate who had his bike destroyed and was hospitalised for weeks by a driver in a Range Rover, who Police decided not to prosecute although as the driver was a Headmaster at a local school and it might affect his job - and the cyclist was actually told this. He's struggling to even get the value of the bike back as the drivers' insurers are being arses pointing at the Police decision) the official one)

As to the OP, I don't think people in cars realise the damage they can do to a person a on bike. A broken wing mirror is small beer.

Drivers aren't filming their surroundings because of cyclists, it for the same reason AS cyclists, some people on the road are idiots.

Could easily be someone off here. We always keep banging on about how good those Aldi tops are!

I fess up to hitting a car yesterday! Unfortunately, [s]the intended crack in the bumper didn't happen[/s] my rims were wet which extended my braking distance 🙂 . Places these bloody ignoramuses overtake..

DezB, we all moan about motor users doing stupid things because we are slowing them down and you have done exactly the same thing there!! There was no need for the verbal abuse or the fact you hit the car. Stupid riding like that is what escalates situations and ends up with stories in the news.

Loads of time to slow down there.

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Yeah, that idiot in the car did nothing wrong at all 🙄

My issue with helmet cams has always been the inevitable arms race and the number of angry cyclist blogs cropping up. Some are very justified, some more whiney.

Whatever, we can complain about anti cycle hate, but video posting and attacks on vehicles are not helping, and it's hardly a surprise that drivers are increasingly filming their surroundings also.

Cause and effect I guess. Crappy road situations for all, little to no comeback for antisocial road users of any vehicle, people need an outlet and some do a poor job of it. 'Looking for trouble' bike camera users and spleen-venting anti-bike bile on the DM comments, each side vents in different ways.

Some countries have almost made dash-cams pretty much mandatory through insurance claim culture. It'll happen here too and eventually the effect of posting up clips will be drowned by the sheer volume, only the best will make the shortlists -

http://www.youtube.com/embed/5RAaW_1FzYg?autoplay=1&modestbranding=1&rel=0&s

2 wrongs.......

That's right. Drivers should act like complete morons and not be told. I will contact the lady now and apologise for causing her undue stress by taking up her road.

Yeah, that idiot in the car did nothing wrong at all

Bad choice of location for an overtake, but there was ample space between you and the car to come to a complete stop well before touching the bumper.

Police later said the incident was at least partly his fault

I have in the past (a while back now) hit wing mirrors when someone has properly scared the shit out of me and endangered my life, still haven't managed to punch a wing mirror off. Still clip the occasional mirror with my bars but that's usually due to them closing in on me and me maybe not jumping out of the way quite as fast as I maybe could.
I'm trying the stay calm approach in any dealings with idiots but it's tricky when they're endangering your life and the adrenaline kicks in.

You could have done that at the time, in a more reasonable manner than you did, which was to my mind quite confrontational.

She was wrong but that doesn't give carte blanche.

I took someone's wing mirror off 20-odd years ago after he cut me up two days running and had the audacity to respond to my verbal abuse in kind.

The following day he lay in wait for a word. I decided best not to stop so he tried to grab me off my bike, causing me to fall off. After seeing the cuts and grazes on my face (no helmets back then) he drove off and I never saw him again, I think he must have changed his route to work.

Both of us were in the wrong, of course, and I suspect that this behaviour was out of character in both cases, but when you're young, in the heat of the moment, things can easily escalate out of control.

I still get very sweary when people nearly kill me but I no longer retaliate.

Just thought I'd share.

[i]overtake looked fine to me, plenty of space given, no oncoming traffic.[/i]

Well, you're clearly wrong. I was there and you weren't. They knew the pinchpoint was coming up so they should've waited. Your post has been reported to avoid this getting abusive.

It is easy to label it as the rider having anger issues, but the reality is that cyclists are frequently under attack from either just plane bad driving or frequently deliberate aggression, and it isn't an equal situation, all the danger is on the cyclist.

I had something similar to this last month, no leaning on the horn but a truck turned in on me as soon as his cab had passed me. I can't be sure if it was deliberate or just an act of stupidity, but if I had to ride off the road onto the dirt verge to avoid ending under the trucks wheels. If I could have caught the driver I would have kicked the **** out of him, and it still wouldn't come close to the danger he put me in.

This this this!

I am so tired of this being common place!

Got to ask - from a driving point of view - those who say I was wrong to shout and ooh upset the poor lady in the Suzuki - would YOU drive like that?
Would you overtake [i]anything [/i]knowing you'll have to brake and maybe stop in front of them[u] 4 seconds[/u] later?

No, I think I'm less impatient and hotheaded, and more tolerant of all other road users than those portrayed on the video.

No, I think [s]I'm less impatient and hotheaded, and more tolerant of all other road users[/s] I've not had quite so many routine near misses than those portrayed on the video.

Just a suggestion, not a dig. Meant to illustrate why some people get more upset about this than others.

I had exactly the same happen as DezB. This was back in my 20s, when I was a little more confrontational than I am now.
The twazzock in the car seemed surprised when I knocked on his window and handed him his rear wiper.
Not proud of it, but the red mist took over!

[i]I had exactly the same happen as DezB. This was back in my 20s[/i]

By christ, you surely can't ride on the road much! I get it all the time. If it was just a one-off, or every 20 years, I certainly wouldn't get so annoyed!

I've had plenty, the main road from Guildford to Aldershot through Normandy is one that frequently makes me wonder if I'm going to see my kids again as buses, trucks, etc. all fly past at 50+ mph. Then i get to take on the Farnham one way system, with the fantastically designed lane changes, hard enough to manage when paying attention, so why not spice it up by texting at the same time! When i've had a proper close one, yes you do get angry, but you have to bite it back because otherwise the rage and stress will kill you more than they will.

I've had plenty of 'not so close' ones too, and while that one above was shit driving, frankly it wasn't life threatening and running into the back of them and then giving them verbals wasn't a sudden fight or flight adrenaline fuelled rant, but a conscious action. There, I've said it. She committed an error because of being stupid / incapable. You had a choice, and IMHO made a bad one.

I took someone's wing mirror off - on a very wet and windy November night driver waited until the last minute, I had right of way and had to assume I'd been seen, and pulled out on me.

I smeared myself against the side of the car and removed the wing mirror with my hand; cue a trip to A&E, a couple of physio sessions and a lifetime of no right handed hammering.

Fortunately the driver behind had seen me and gave me a lift home, the driver whose fault it was, was very apologetic.

It's a downward spiral - near miss, stressed cyclist, near miss, cyclist reacts, stressed driver, etc etc.

I covered 5000 miles last year, more than half of that commuting. I have occasional near misses. Getting assaulted by the driver I did have a go at taught me to ignore 99% of them. If I have time to over react, it probably wasn't as close as I thought.

[quote=Jonesy said]DezB, we all moan about motor users doing stupid things because we are slowing them down and you have done exactly the same thing there!! There was no need for the verbal abuse or the fact you hit the car. Stupid riding like that is what escalates situations and ends up with stories in the news.

+1

The thing is if you commute by bike, it only takes 1 in a 1000 to do something dangerous and 1 in 100 to do something frustrating (as in dezb's example) and you are being the victim of bad driving 20+ times a day and being endangered at least a couple of times a day. And the majority of the media. championed by Clarkson, is to at best make a joke of it and usually encourage the abuse of cylists.

from guardian link. Which ****ing idiotic police/cps official made that call? cyclist moves out at the pinch point as per advice and some nob head runs into the back of him.

I think the problem is that the Police, along with 99% of the population, have no idea that its good sense for a cyclist to move out into the lane at pinch points.

Someone cycling in middle of road = arrogant cyclist who thinks they own the road.

DezB - Member
overtake looked fine to me, plenty of space given, no oncoming traffic.

Well, you're clearly wrong. I was there and you weren't. They knew the pinchpoint was coming up so they should've waited. Your post has been reported to avoid this getting abusive.

POSTED 50 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Not trying to be awkward, but how do you know they knew the pinch point was there? Are they a regular passer on that route of yours. They may have been unfamiliar with the road layout.

I can't see from the video if it is clearly visible on approach or if you could see if they could see that something was approaching.

From my point, I think if you try and deliberately make some contact with any vehicle that causes you grief or you deem to be driven lass than satisfactorily, it's only a matter of time before that strategy goes teets up.

The next day, the driver sees you again, as he approaches from behind, and decides to give you a little knock!

It'll end in tears.

[i]You had a choice, and IMHO made a bad one.[/i]

Well, there we are - at least it's [i]your opinion[/i] (which I disagree with).

[i]DezB, we all moan about motor users doing stupid things because we are slowing them down and you have done exactly the same thing there!![/i]

Huh? who have I slowed down?

Annnnyway, I don't think this thread was supposed to be about me and my one blip in an otherwise exemplary riding career 🙂

[i]Not trying to be awkward, but how do you know they knew the pinch point was there? [/i]
because I was there and I saw them brake before the pinch point was in view.

I commute 24 miles a day. Maybe once a week I have a worrying moment.

If I was getting the hassle like some of you describe, I'd change something - my route, my time, how I ride. It doesn't happen to all of us all of the time.

Over-reacting to bad driving doesn't help anyone.

[i]Annnnyway, I don't think this thread was supposed to be about me and my one blip in an otherwise exemplary riding career 🙂 [/i]

I don't commute which presumably reduces my probability of run-ins, but I recently had my first incident in many many years when a driver overtook on a country lane with plenty of available space to go round me, but instead chose to pass as close as possible without actually hitting me. It was clearly very deliberate. People are fallible and people make poor judgement calls, but I simply can't comprehend the apparent hatred some people show towards other road users that leads them to carry out these ridiculous and dangerous acts.

baffled

rockhopper70 I don't know whether they were a regular user of that route and nor does DezB - but I do know that I don't overtake unless I know what's coming up. If you can't see 5s up the road, then it's not safe to overtake apart from in a very narrow set of circumstances.

DezB then got annoyed. Which is fine. It's normal. Stop trying to be holier than thou! We're all human.

The link in the OP doesn't work for me 🙁 However it does all appear to be going down in my home town -

[url= http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/toilet-door-at-new-northampton-railway-station-defaced-by-graffiti-weeks-after-building-opened-1-6571786 ]Toilet door at new Northampton Railway Station defaced by graffiti weeks after building opened[/url]

dezb it's all about the role reversal, you having a go at a motorist for slowing you down, you see? Got it? You were inciting road rage at a poor lady In her little car because you had to slow down and don't look skillfull enough to do it without crashing into her car. As a vulnerable road user you need to get a grip, there is no argument here you ride like a cock and are giving us all a bad name.

rockhopper70 I don't know whether they were a regular user of that route and nor does DezB - but I do know that I don't overtake unless I know what's coming up. If you can't see 5s up the road, then it's not safe to overtake apart from in a very narrow set of circumstances.

I am, however, fully aware that cameras can massively distort what we see compared to where the rider's head is at, so I wouldn't even count this a blip in DezB's otherwise exemplary riding career. 🙂

Can I just say I agree with Dez and I doubt she heard that insult.
Crap overtaking move at a pinch point
I am also not sure how you incite "road rage" and less so from a poor lady in her "little car" - I assume these dont hurt when they hit you 😕 I am saddened that you empathise with the shitly driven car and dont GAS about the cyclist who ONLY had to slow down because she overtook. She should have waited and then nothing would have happened

10/10 for provoking a reaction though Jonesy but better be liked that get attention this way [ yes you mean it we all know how it "opinions" work on the internet]

@ 1 second and mid overtake and still not on her side of the road she has already started braking. If you are braking whilst overtaking you are not driving well

Strange, the link was working this morning but not now...click bait fail?

One of the most annoying things when commuting is having to slow down because someone overtakes you, just to turn, look at the scenery or, as I once had, because they're a total cockwipe and think it's funny - car overtook and slowed, blocked me off, went on a bit. I caught up again on a long downhill, car slowed and blocked me off - quiet B road with nothing in front. Happened too or three times and I could see the smarmy tuesday and his shit eating grin looking at me in the mirror while he did it.

Funnily enough when we got to civilisation and he was stuck in a queue he completely ignored me as a tapped on his window to enquire what exactly he thought he was doing, he just did the rabbit in the headlights stare straight ahead.

DezB - Member

Annnnyway, I don't think this thread was supposed to be about me and my one blip in an otherwise exemplary riding career

Too late cupcake! 😀

Huh? who have I slowed down?

Read it again; you weren't the one doing the slowing down, you were the road user doing stupid things.

because I was there and I saw them brake before the pinch point was in view.

So the driver slowed down before they could see the pinch point?
Tell me, at what point did the driver slow down in relation to the sign warning of the pinch point coming into view? 💡

Either way, anyone who deliberately engages in a collision with another road user is an idiot, and anyone who condones such behaviour is an idiot.

I was an idiot when I deliberately rode into the back of a car that pulled out in front of me.
That was years ago though, and was much closer.
I also did the job properly and put my chainrings into his boot. You big fairy. 😛

I have punched a wing mirror off a car before, wasn't on bike, but was due to an inconsiderate parker that left me a 4inch gap to try and get in the drivers door, when I had a baby to get back in car. There was just enough room to get in the passenger side. To say I was angry would be an understatement...that was a few years ago now. I can still rememeber to pain in my knuckles once the red mist had settled.

Normally I'd stick up for the cyclist in most situations but I'm sorry DezB, riding and dishing out of abuse like you did in that video is what gives all us cyclists a bad name with many drivers, making the roads not safer, but more dangerous for all of us cyclists.

The overtake looked fair enough to me, plenty of room given. Okay so the driver made a slight mistake in not spotting the constriction and traffic ahead until the overtake was in progress - but it was hardly a near miss now was it, hardly deliberate? And yet you still think it's your duty to bully and verbally abuse her in the process?

What do you think she thinks about cyclists now? What has she told her friends and family? How had their perception of cyclists in general now changed because of your behaviour?

Sorry, don't like to critisize but feel it's justified in this case. You were not in danger, merely inconvenienced. I'm just glad it wasn't my elderly mother in the car you rode in to and thank goodness for the rest of our safety you're conducting your bully boy behaviour on a bicycle and not in a 4x4 or something bigger.

I have in the past (a while back now) hit wing mirrors when someone has properly scared the shit out of me and endangered my life, still haven't managed to punch a wing mirror off

They're designed to swing out of the way if they hit something from the front or back and you'll just hurt your hand. Hit down and they break off remarkably easily. Not that I'd recommend it - whilst the Police have seemingly zero interest in any form of driving offence, whether merely dangerous or a deliberate attempt to cause serious injury, 'criminal damage' will spur them into immediate action.

Given the unwillingness to deal with the incidents described through this thread, a failure of the courts to deliver any form of deterrent level penalties for driving offences, the reduction in traffic police numbers over the last few years (coinciding with an upsurge in road injuries), or even to deal with drivers when they've got them bang to rights (the motorists who the Police say were driving idiotically on the Isle of Sheppey 150 car pile up are being offered education rather that being charged), I can't help thinking that Vigilante action is a rational response.

DezB then got annoyed. Which is fine. It's normal. Stop trying to be holier than thou! We're all human.

I'm not, I was just asking a question and making an observation.
I wasn't there and don't know the layout.
The driver might initially have seen the pinch point was clear only to be faced with an ejit speeding the other way and she had to take evasive action.

But I'm allowed to say that I wouldn't ram someone intentionally, to prove a point (although I suspect the point was lost on the driver, who probaly expected the cyclist to be able to stop easily in the distance available).

Q.- When is it too late to overtake a cyclist if you are turning left ?

A.- Never.

I do think some people on here don't actualy ride in the same country I do. I think pretty much every ride I have a driver make a manoevere that is dangerous to me or other road users.

Either left hooks, close passes , the ' quick get in front of him and block the gutter so we wont be stuck behind him for 5 secs when the lights change ' move.
The Force overtake. I cant see 20m round that corner , and I have a waaaay better line of sight than you do (RH bend) , but please feel free to dwardle pass increasing your TED with an idiotic overtake

Maybe Im just unlucky.
Cars dont seem to understand the momentum thing. You are buzzing along at say 20mph, making progress but in a car that feels stationary. IN a car to get to 20mph its 2 seconds and 2 calories of effort on the loud pedal. Bit longer and alot more cals on a bike, and Im not not paying attention . Red lights are red lights and I wait, but stopping on an A road to let road users out of side roads , or the overtake / block / RH turn is all too common

you still think it's your duty to bully and verbally abuse her in the process?

What do you think she thinks about cyclists now?

You were not in danger,

I'm just glad it wasn't my elderly mother in the car you rode in to

and thank goodness for the rest of our safety you're conducting your bully boy behaviour on a bicycle and not in a 4x4 or something bigger.

Oh the irony considering a car just forced it way past and made him stop Oh the irony

The driver might initially have seen the pinch point was clear only to be faced with an ejit speeding the other way and she had to take evasive action.

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I'm beginning to see where dailymash are coming from.

I dont think either of them drove that well but one arsehole started it and they had 4 wheels

Its not me this time!

TBH I rarely have a real "WTF?" moment on either my commute or out on the roads. Ive changed my commute because the most direct route was also the most stressful, with stupid and dangerous driving every single day. Waiting at a right turn in a three-lane carriage way at a red light was frankly terrifying due to drivers slamming on behind me/using the straight ahead lane to undertake me/using the vehicle to intimidate me.
All this whilst using 3 decent rear lights, taking the lane properly at the junction etc.
I ride properly, take the lane at ALL junctions & often wait in the queue if I judge the approach to the junction to be unsafe, stop at reds etc. I now very rarely get hassle on my commute now, but do get more idiocy when out on the road bike, there is a minority of drivers who WILL do their best to show you your place in the pecking order, not a lot you can do about those people but report them*.
I recently reported a driver who tried an overtake approaching a pelican crossing that was in use, with stopped cars ahead, cars parked to my left & oncoming traffic. My shout of "effing hell" was enough for him to chase after me, try to knock me off twice & then when I got off the road come up screaming in my face. I kept calm, took his photo & one if his car and told him I was ringing the cops.
He got dragged into the station and rollocked apparently.

*I also reported myself for punching a wing mirror off.

[quote=agent007 ]The overtake looked fair enough to me, plenty of room given.

The HC disagrees with you:

[quote=HC rule 167]DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

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when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down

oh and also

[quote=HC rule 166]DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe. For example, when you are approaching

a corner or bend

Hi Junkyard not quite sure what you are getting at I wasn't aware this was a popularity contest, my aim isn't to provoke a reaction and to be honest I couldn't really care less what you or anyone else thinks.

What I am doing is disagreeing with what's being said about a video of someone intentionally riding a bike into the back of a car and screaming verbal abuse at them (that's the inciting bit). After seeing shocking riding everyday by the normal 'cyclist' which tarnishes us all the last thing I would expect is to see a member of this forum acting like that.

Apologies for not conforming to your idea that every motorist is evil and trying to kill you, they are not and also that every cyclist is innocent maybe the motorist made a very slight error in your eyes, not mine, but the cyclists actions are far worse. Having lost a friend last year after he was knocked off his bike I will 'GAS' all I want about this as having seen what it has done to his young family is devastating. I don't know dezb's situation but he needs to think long and hard about that!

Indeed a stupid place to overtake but to shout abuse then purposefully ride into the back of a stationary car… not doing cyclists any favours that.

Also, when the car started braking it looked from the camera movement like the rider was still pedalling for a good few seconds.

Ha! Still going on. Funny stuff. Thanks Junky for taking my (the cyclist's) side against the, what was the word? Cocks.

Here's a prime example of someone WITHOUT A ****ING CLUE!!
[i] thank goodness for the rest of our safety you're conducting your bully boy behaviour on a bicycle and not in a 4x4 or something bigger.[/i]

I mean, really? Your comprehension skills and grasp of logic need some work before you go making your comments public, they really do.

Cripes, armchair analysis is a bigger internet hobby than I thought!
Over the last couple of weeks I've had idiots overtake me while I was signalling right and moving across the road and you're damn right I shouted abuse at them.

I smashed a wing mirror a couple of months ago.

I hate confrontation, I very rarely have any actually dangerous moments. On my commute a guy overtook me while shouting something about "stay over to the left" and making a sweeping "move over" gesture. I ignored it, I usually do, no sense getting wound up. Passed him (and a dozen other cars) by filtering down the right in a traffic jam moments later, thought nothing of it.
5 minutes later, in more free flowing traffic, he overtook dangerously close and this time was going properly mental, screaming about cyclists should ****ing stay left. I slowed to let him go past but he brake checked me then, once I was on his inside, swung left into me. I pushed myself off using the convenient wing mirror (which 'accidentally' fell off...) and disappeared sharpish down an alleyway. Bloody lucky that I had that escape option. Changed my route to work after that, in fact I didn't ride for ages.

Didn't get a plate or description of the guy, not even a make/model of car. 🙁 Colour and a rough estimate of type is all so I don't even know what to look out for.

Point being that if a cyclist smashes a wing mirror, there's probably a bloody good reason for it based around the driver being a weapons grade bellend.

You need to decide if Dez is inciting or bullying as they are not synonyms though his analysis of your views is pretty much spot on

Apologies for not conforming to your idea that every motorist is evil and trying to kill you, they are not and also that every cyclist is innocent

maybe the motorist made a very slight error in your eyes, not mine,

You are free to ignore the highway code

Which bit of the highway code condones deliberately colliding with other road users?
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Is deliberately colliding with other road users

at odds with the law and common sense?

MSP that video's ridiculous! That took place right outside my work, just recognised the roadsigns! Can't see why the truck had to get so close at all, it's a really wide open stretch of road with hundreds of cyclists on it every day due to BAE being over the road. It's stuff like that which makes me go down the backs when I make the occasional commute by bike.

I think if it'd been me and they'd been stopped at those lights round the corner I'd be knocking more than their mirror off! That would definitely be a red mist moment.

Ha! Still going on. Funny stuff. Thanks Junky for taking my (the cyclist's) side against the, what was the word? Cocks.

Here's a prime example of someone WITHOUT A **** CLUE!!
thank goodness for the rest of our safety you're conducting your bully boy behaviour on a bicycle and not in a 4x4 or something bigger.

I mean, really? Your comprehension skills and grasp of logic need some work before you go making your comments public, they really do.

DezB, nice to see you use this sort of language and bullying on a public forum too? You're a pretty nice guy aren't you?

Anyway, if the lady in question had had the good fortune been driving a Golf R (or similarly powerful car) she'd have overtaken and been safely past the [s]angry little chip on shoulder man[/s] cyclist well before the pinch point.

I had to pat myself on the back for being a zen master this arvo..

cycling along a densely populated residential area and I saw a big white transit about to join the road from a T-junction ahead of me..
As always in this situation, I prepared for him to do summink silly and made eye contact so I could be sure he had seen me and wouldn't pull out..

As I drew level with the corner of his bumper he slowly pulled out, looking at me as he did so..
I stopped and gave a cheery wave to let him through.. he gave me the finger and I laughed

I might be biassed due to the fact I get overtaken dangerously about once a week on the ~1 mile of twisty road on my commute and about once every month or two it's to the extent that some poor driver coming the other way has to slam their brakes on - and all for some ****wit to get to the next traffic jam 5s quicker than they would if they waited for a safe opportunity.

Correct you do, however wrong! Now I will leave you to your own little world as there is a limited number of times I can arsed writing the same thing and you missing the point!

yunki - Member

I had to pat myself on the back for being a zen master this arvo..

cycling along a densely populated residential area and I saw a big white transit about to join the road from a T-junction ahead of me..
As always in this situation, I prepared for him to do summink silly and made eye contact so I could be sure he had seen me and wouldn't pull out..

As I drew level with the corner of his bumper...

...you deliberately rode into the van to teach him a lesson?

Yeah! Right on! 😀

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Which bit of the highway code condones deliberately colliding with other road users?

Is deliberately colliding with other road users

this sort of language and bullying on a public forum too? You're a pretty nice guy aren't you?

there is a limited number of times I can arsed writing the same thing and you missing the point!

If the car obeys the highway code nothing happens they are the cause but, today, Dez does not reach Yunki levels of enlightenment .

Junkyard - lazarus

Whoosh. Clearly I am, as aracer was, discussing the overtake move

Of course, but now would be a good time for you and aracer to condemn the cyclist's deliberate action of colliding with the car.
For clarity, you know.
😉

I dont think either of them drove that well but one arsehole started it and they had 4 wheels*

I am sure you will apologise for your double error rather than have another pop ...for clarity, you know 😉 🙄

* thats me that is in relation to a cyclists are arsehole t shirt post

Junkyard - lazarus

I am sure you will apologise for your double error

Are you talking to me?
What are you talking about?
I just thought it would be helpful if you clarified your opinion on the actions of the cyclist, as you appeared to be concentrating your posting efforts on the road user that didn't deliberately collide with another road user.
🙂

If you are still confused its because you are trying really hard to be confused to save face and look "funny".

Its not working very well and it is not very convincing.

I haven't lost face. 😕
I thought the cyclist was a prat for his actions and still do.

I just wondered if you could bring yourself to categorically condemn his course of action, an action that no one in their right mind would ever condone, in lieu of your obvious bias.

Thank you for concluding my curiosity.

Dezb words his initial post to suggest he hit the car on purpose,that was the source of the initial comments people made,you know the ones he reported [s]when replies didn't go his way[/s] to stop it escalating. He made a point of it in his post,so to my mind if you view all the clip it's dumb overtake/dumb reaction. Maybe the two of them should do one of those internet dating profiles,they may have a lot more in common than they think. And tell me he doesn't call the driver a "tard"?

I ride in London every weekday

I was going to add my experiences to this thread, but it's all gone a bit handbags, so I'll sit this one out

If agreeing he was an areshole is not enough and not categorical enough then I doubt I can . What do you want me to say? He was a big a one as you are being now 😉

to my mind if you view all the clip it's dumb overtake/dumb reaction.