[Closed] Turning left on red, about to become legal?

Turning right on rred in a car is legal in Texas in some cases. I didn't realise, until I found cars behind honking at me at junctions.

It's never going to happen, most junctions in this country with lights are pretty major, with crossings for pedestrians, we have roundabouts for most stuff

In that article someone is quoted as saying that most deaths are when the cyclist is waiting for the Green light and the Hgv squashes them. Is that true or a guess? I can see that being one cause, but is that single mode the most common cause?

Poly afaik most cyclist KSIs are at junctions and I believe HGVs are are involved in a disproportionally (considering the percentage of all traffic) high number. Don't think it's a majority tho. <edit> perhaps it is in london?

Waiting for green then getting mowed down by a HGV/Skip truck driver who sets off quick but hasn't seen you due to the vehicles ridiculously large and numerous blind spots is certainly a known/accepted issue on here and other forums, it's a pity a lot of the general public don't seem to know about it.

quite a few places were considering (or already have) made traffic lights compulsory for motorised vehicles, but become a give-way for bikes. seems sensible.

several places in EU, when doing right turn on GREEN, will also phase that pedestrian crossing (and cycle lane/path) as GREEN. so every time you turn right, regardless of lights, you have to give way. mention that in UK and the comment will be that's asking for carnage. I'd probably agree. It's not what you do but the change from what you do now to what you do in the future that is the issue.

maybe left turn on red for both bikes AND motorised vehicle is what is needed to change that mindset so that if you turn left, you have to check what's coming up the inside?

all probably helped by pedestrian and bike lights going green 2 seconds before the main traffic lights.

It will cause havoc with the controlled pedestrian crossing on the left of the junction you are approaching. It's no longer controlled. This puts vulnerable groups at risk and would fall foul of the discrimination act... (Please, just don't...I have to deal with this on most projects)

It will also require an update of various legal documents, for passing through the 'controlled zone' of a signal junction.

Nice idea, difficult to retrospectivley fit into our infrastructure.

maybe left turn on red for both bikes AND motorised vehicle is what is needed to change that mindset so that if you turn left, you have to check what's coming up the inside?

We have that exact scenario on green, so there's no reason anyone's mindset would be any different just because there's a different lightbulb on.

[quote=skids ]It's never going to happen, most junctions in this country with lights are pretty major, with crossings for pedestrians, we have roundabouts for most stuff

Been to London (or any other major city) much?

[quote=alexh ]It will cause havoc with the controlled pedestrian crossing on the left of the junction you are approaching. It's no longer controlled. This puts vulnerable groups at risk and would fall foul of the discrimination act...

Havoc? Bicycles interacting slowly with pedestrians with the bicycles required to give way to pedestrians crossing, havoc? How on earth do they manage it in other countries?

Nice idea, difficult to retrospectivley fit into our infrastructure.

But not impossible.

Going back to the lights produce sheep like responses thing, on a couple of junctions near me at busy commuter times you see drivers on green blithely drive into a junction they can't drive out of, so yeah green light = remove brain and blindly "Go". Chaos ensues when the lights change and for a full cycle no-one goes anywhere.

Then I remember those are box junctions with prominent yellow hatching, so the unconscionable pricks are obviously picking and choosing which rules they blindly follow. (and then staring straight ahead refusing to make eye contact with those people they have blocked)

Donk +1

Building a garden bridge is not impossible, it doesn't mean it should be done.

Havoc, possibly over selling it somewhat if we are just on about cyclists.

Cyclists give way to pedestrians crossing, what a noble thought. That's the biggest part of the change that worries me.

If we are talking cars and cycles turning left, then it's a lot more involved and havoc in terms of physical changes and legislation

Going back to the lights produce sheep like responses thing, on a couple of junctions near me at busy commuter times you see drivers on green blithely drive into a junction they can't drive out of, so yeah green light = remove brain and blindly "Go". Chaos ensues when the lights change and for a full cycle no-one goes anywhere.

Then I remember those are box junctions with prominent yellow hatching, so the unconscionable pricks are obviously picking and choosing which rules they blindly follow. (and then staring straight ahead refusing to make eye contact with those people they have blocked)

Or at the junction near me, they either try to pretend they haven't just nearly run over a few pedestrians walking across on the green man - or better have a strop when told to stop by pedestrians already on the crossing...

Going back to the lights produce sheep like responses thing, on a couple of junctions near me at busy commuter times you see drivers on green blithely drive into a junction they can't drive out of, so yeah green light = remove brain and blindly "Go". Chaos ensues when the lights change and for a full cycle no-one goes anywhere.

At one near my work there's a signal and the associated stop line at one side of the junction and a secondary signal at the far side. Drivers regularly stop at the secondary signal when it's on red even though there's no stop line. The traffic coming from the side road then blocks the whole thing up.

Another example of blind sheep behaviour: we live at the end of a lane which continues as a very steep and muddy green lane. This is marked on Sat-nav maps as a road (technically it is) so we regularly get cars turning round. The fact that there's a no through road sign at the top of the lane is irrelevant: the sat-nav says to go this way so I shall. One driver decided that the muddy bit must be temporary and promptly got stuck in the ford about 400 metres further on 😆

Cyclists give way to pedestrians crossing, what a noble thought.

I've no doubt there will be teething issues* as we get used to it but aslong as cyclists don't get all gung ho about it shouting "I can turn left on red" (and those who would are probably the ones who already cause trouble without a specific LH turn law) then we should rub along ok.

*[url= https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4703888,-2.2373002,3a,75y,140.51h,74.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6MrCyvgOh0dwl8knP1vgeA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 ]case in point[/url] cyclists can turn left when lights are on green but none of the pedestrians expect it, they see grosvenor st lights go red and walk out infront of the cars (oblivious to cyclists from oxford rd) despite not having a "green man" - there is a green man cycle later on - with cyclists being hemmed in to the narrow segregated cycle lane you can't move away from the kerb if there's a walker looking likely to step into the road without looking, wider roads should be less of an issue.

sadly the thread title is misleading, the word 'about' seems slightly premature.

If cyclists were to behave, it could be quite good.