I’m sorry if this offends some people, but personally I feel we are giving it the Emperor’s New Clothes and accepting shyte service as an acceptable norm.
So if you ran a bike shop or bike manafacturer what would you differently?
Maybe we should go back to the original Henry Ford concept of you can have exactly the model and colour you’d like as long as it’s this one and in black
There wouldn’t be a sufficient supply of black paint.
Erm I don’t run a bike shop and I’m not a manufacturer.
Just a bloke who would like to be able to buy bikes and components with a lot less hassle than what’s currently involved and has been for a while now.
My question about brake pads has pretty much shown the inconsistencies out there right now, two weeks ago I had to buy Gorilla as no Shimano available, now people are posting the availability on this thread at significant price differences……
@four does being obnoxious and entitled come naturally to you or did you have to take a course?
Just because you’re not being forced to wear a mask anymore doesn’t mean the whole world is back to normal. 🙄
this is just the best thing i’ve seen since the shoplifting thread. and i don’t mean “seen on STW,” i mean in the whole world!
keep it coming
Erm I don’t run a bike shop and I’m not a manufacturer.
Just a bloke who would like to be able to buy bikes and components with a lot less hassle than what’s currently involved and has been for a while now.
Which is basically my thoughts. Its not really obvious that any organisation could make it better. Which is why it seems pointless throwing out moans and criticisms
If anyone wants Shimano/SRAM/bikes then go to Nevis Cycles - rammed with stock.
And served by a very cheery staff team.
Just a bloke who would like to be able to buy bikes and components with a lot less hassle than what’s currently involved and has been for a while now.
Since, say, March 2020?
Suck it up. Everything is harder to get now, for a variety of reasons that you’d have to be living under a rock to not know about. Throwing your toys out and screaming ‘JuSt Do It BeTtEr!1!’ Helps no one.
The stuff you want doesn’t exist. When it does exist, it will be shipped somewhere else first. When it is shipped here, there’s no one to deliver it.
I’m sorry if this offends some people, but personally I feel we are giving it the Emperor’s New Clothes and accepting shyte service as an acceptable norm.
vote with your feet
Edinburgh has loads of bike shops all with their USP and the competition drives up standards of service. If your LBS has poor service go elsewhere
I give up 🙄
Wasted energy on here asking in the main, but thanks to those who bothered to contribute productivity and positively.
@four your in the position to spunk 3.5K on a groupset for a toy and your moaning you can't get it. My friends had close his bike repair shop and lay off his staff because he can't get get components. You come across as an entitled $%£@
@stainypants maybe because I understand the difference between your and you’re is one reason I am in the position to be an entitled $%£@ and able to spunk 3.5k on a toy 🙂
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
@four despite not being able to tell the diffrence between your and you're I could easily afford to spunk more but I wouldn't brag about it or I don't moan about not being able to do it when people including members of this forum are suffering due to the component shortage.
@ogri and this is probably why I’m limited to only 3.5k of spunking 😂
#willywavingtrackworld
So, lorry deliveries in the UK are stopping vital bike deliveries from Taiwan?
😅 where did you get that from? If you can’t get the ships in the dock because you can’t get the full containers out of the dock and the empties back in you have a problem.
What has long beach and la gone to 24 hour loading? Because they have a back log and not enough trucks.
Nobody is saying there aren’t issues in the global supply chain. But the U.K.s issues go beyond that.
Oh and Felixstowe only has one ship waiting today because Maersk and Evergreen have stopped docking there and are now calling at Rotterdam and Hamburg because of portside congestion caused by a lack of truckers… caused by Brexit.
Bury your head in the sand as much as you like but the Tories are ruining Britain.
😅 where did you get that from? If you can’t get the ships in the dock because you can’t get the full containers out of the dock and the empties back in you have a problem.
What has long beach and la gone to 24 hour loading? Because they have a back log and not enough trucks.
Nobody is saying there aren’t issues in the global supply chain. But the U.K.s issues go beyond that.
Oh and Felixstowe only has one ship waiting today because Maersk and Evergreen have stopped docking there and are now calling at Rotterdam and Hamburg because of portside congestion caused by a lack of truckers… caused by Brexit.
Bury your head in the sand as much as you like but the Tories are ruining Britain.
Please keep on topic.
Please keep on topic.
The Tories are ruining cycling.
I dont think you can deny that brexit has made it harder & more expensive to get bike components here
I'm trying to get an 11speed wide range cassette, my sunrace one if you can get it in stock here is double what I paid a couple of years ago from Germany 😳
First World problems, but it still sucks!
Please keep on topic.
??????
The topic is the bike supply chain. Which was what the post was about. Perhaps you mean limit answers to things you agree with.
I note that the governments attempts to alleviate the driver problems have envolved reversing to Brexit decisions
The topic is the bike supply chain.
That's part of the topic. It's also arguably about some aspects of consumerist cycling culture and acceptance, by which I mean that being furious about something over which you have only very limited control in the short term is basically unconstructive.
TL:DR man throws toys out of pram because he can't buy expensive toys when he wants, where he wants and at his preferred price. Screw the pandemic, Brexit, global supply chain issues etc... he wants it his way and he'll scream until he gets it.
A clear violation of Rule 1. You should be forced to ride a Raleigh Grifter for the next year as a punishment.
To be honest, for full indignation, I'm quite interested to know how old junior is. The recipient of said £3000 bike
Although I did fund a a grand worth of bike for my grown up son last year so maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But I didn't moan about lack of choice we just got a scandal. Delivery delayed 2 weeks but toys stayed in the pram and all very happy with the outcome. He added a dropper, I sent tires for Xmas. I saw it for the first time last weekend sat looking well loved and used
Please keep on topic.
Go on then, what is the topic? The ops original post has plenty of path ways and no particular focus. So enlighten me with your wisdom o’ great one 😀
The topic is the bike supply chain. Which was what the post was about. Perhaps you mean limit answers to things you agree with.
my mistake. i thought it was about:
TL:DR man throws toys out of pram because he can’t buy expensive toys when he wants, where he wants and at his preferred price. Screw the pandemic, Brexit, global supply chain issues etc… he wants it his way and he’ll scream until he gets it.
and some concern over soviet-style oppression and people being forced to by steel rolex watches on the grey market. the grey market!
edit: but i really think it’s a stealth brag.
@ampthill okay I’ll bite mate…
Age bears little relevance IMO - if he’s 5 is he too young, or 65 and too old? (He is 16)
£3k ok or 30 quid? It’s all relevant / relative in it?
The fact that you didn’t moan about anything is cool, however as I see things the industry / country / world are starting to go up shit creek in certain areas and I like to have a moan when I’m not happy.
My basis for part of the moaning is a certain online retailer is quite happy to advertise bikes as pre order and will only accept full payment - there is no guarantee of the delivery date or even getting the actual bike. Two other stores did the ‘email alert when in stock’ which to me is fair play on their behalf.
But what sort of annoys me on here is the personal insults some chaps have decided it’s okay to throw around because they don’t like what I’m saying, although I’ve not been rude to them in the first instance.
Lastly WTF am I doing arguing with complete stangers on the internet 😂
I know this topic has probably had the arse kicked out of it, but seriously WTAF is going on?!
What planet have you been on the last two years as it clearly hasn't been the one the rest of us have suffered through. I think this is the most first world problem I've ever seen in STW, you can't buy a new bike! Never mind the people who live where the raw materials for your all important bike comes from. They should forget the pandemic & lack of vaccines & get down to work so you can pedal down the road!
Stealth Brag” WTAF mate 😂😂😂
at least someone has a sense of humour 😁
but if it’s a genuine question it’s when you wrap up statements about yourself designed to impress as another topic.
@rOcKeTdOg finally someone who see things from my viewpoint, thank you for your support and understanding my friend, we are truly kindred spirits brother 😂😂
@LAT I’d guessed what it meant, but no bragging isn’t my style - I’m a short, bald, stumpy tattooed 53 year old hobbit - so not exactly bragging material 😂
Levying aside the personal abuse, there's some unique UK factors that exacerbate the global supply chain issues.
Because Brexit happened, the UK was cut off from preexisting supply chain which had taken advantage of the EU as a large open market ( e.g. trek shipping all European frames to Amsterdam and brooks (of England) having their European fulfillment center in Italy.
In normal times business would have had 18 months to make new arrangements and reconfigure operations. Prices would have gone up (a bit) , but supply would have been ok
Covid screwed that up. Demand went through the floor and then through the ceiling, depending on your industry.
Many businesses are still at square one when it comes to dealing with Brexit and global supply is messed up.
Brexit makes the effects on the UK more extreme, but everyone is suffering.
In the UK, we had a long (golden?) Period of grey market cycling imports from EU and the ability to buy from across a highly competitive market with a lot of choice and low prices. It also drove a lot of UK bike shops out of business, e.g Because they couldn't buy Shimano stock from freewheel at the same price I could buy from rose bikes in Germany.
It also drove a lot of UK bike shops out of business, e.g Because they couldn’t buy Shimano stock from freewheel at the same price I could buy from rose bikes in Germany.
Plenty of UK shops been selling grey import oem shimano stuff for years, merlin, CRC etc
“ But what sort of annoys me on here is the personal insults some chaps have decided it’s okay to throw around because they don’t like what I’m saying,”
Don’t come on here being a complete bellend then acting all butthurt when you get called on it. What are you, 13 years old or something?
What are you, 13 years old or something?
I can help you there
"I’m a short, bald, stumpy tattooed 53 year old hobbit"
Which may explain a few of the complexes.
I came away from a lengthy conversation with an LBS owner last week quite shocked. Having talked about selling more 10k+ bikes than he’s ever seen in his life over the last year, he was somehow still very pessimistic about his ability to stay afloat next year as in his own words ‘things will be 1000 times worse’.
As has been pointed out in various places throughout this thread, the supply chain issues so far have been somewhat mitigated at the customer end as a lot of product was already in the chain and has been filtering through slowly over the last 12 months. Now though, that supply has gone and new supply doesn’t exist, the very beginning of the chain (raw materials) doesn’t exist for factories to manufacture. Even once that starts to come back online there will be this huge gap in the chain where nothing exists. Only once that gap has passed will things start to improve, from the conversation I had, we are looking at, at least 2024 before that happens.
Has anyone tried emailing the CEO yet?