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[Closed] Trail Sabotage, how to deal with it.

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The bit of tunnel hill on the western edge where it says out of bounds to troops isn't mod land and is private property.

It's actually off the Old Guildford Road in the NW corner heading towards the B3012, by what looks like 2 new houses.....& it very definitely looks like MOD land - given there are boards up with mapping, the bylaws & a gate stopping vehicle access. I'd be VERY surprised if it were private land. If it were why not fence it off & include it in the garden of the house that appears to be claiming it....(?)

The bit of tunnel hill on the western edge where it says out of bounds to troops isn't mod land and is private property.

I think I know where that is - it's not that section.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 10:17 am
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Last couple of times I have ridden Woodbury Common near me I have noticed more more sabs at work. Made me think that perhaps a way to report incidents to other riders might be a good idea (not getting to the root of the problem, but preventative) I suppose it's possible to make a segment in Strava with a warning title so other riders know about it? Is this how trail reports in Trailforks app works?

Where or which trails up Woodbury Evil Joe?


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 10:36 am
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We've had a few half-hearted attempts at sabotage on our local bridleways - little more than sticks placed laterally across the trail.

They're good bunny-hop practice.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 10:50 am
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WE have someone near me who is exceedingly thorough: laying out branches every 50-100 yards over about 2.5 km of singletrack shows a level of dedication that is impressive! I can't complain because we definitely shouldn't be riding there. At the moment I'm focussing on cx anyway so the dismount practise does me good!


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 10:52 am
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It's actually off the Old Guildford Road in the NW corner heading towards the B3012, by what looks like 2 new houses.....

Hatched area is army.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/51.2912/-0.7009

There may be MOD warning signs on areas that may lead into the land.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 10:54 am
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Someone near me likes snapping perfectly good birch saplings so he can pull their top halves over a FP.

The weird logic is astounding.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 11:00 am
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Excellent bit of mapping deadkenny - thank you for that.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 11:02 am
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Having faced this on/off at local riding spots over the past 20+ years, I just take the approach of a battle-of-the-wills > they block, I unblock and so on. I generally find the blockers give up after a while.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 11:29 am
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Someone near me likes snapping perfectly good birch saplings so he can pull their top halves over a FP.

We had that a few years back although not over an official public footpath. Total WTF?!!


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 11:43 am
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and my dog 20 yards Away, [s]failing to respond to my pathetic shouts[/s] conveniently off the lead and seemingly invisible to me so I don't have to clear up after it's done its business

FTFY.


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 12:57 pm
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Having faced this on/off at local riding spots over the past 20+ years, I just take the approach of a battle-of-the-wills > they block, I unblock and so on. I generally find the blockers give up after a while.

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Exactly this - so long as it isn't anything really nasty like wire at head height etc.

I just stand next to the barricade and take it apart, snap any big-ish sticks to make them less dangerous and then throw the bits away around 360 degrees (or if a particular direction makes them more difficult to bring back, they go there).

I reason that what takes me two minutes to clear (standing and throwing) will take at least ten minutes to reconstruct.

Attrition. That and the fact that it is highly likely that persistent sabs are old and bitter and will probably die before me. So [b]they[/b] can't win! 🙂


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 1:27 pm
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We had a Stickman laying sticks on a section of South Dartmoor trail, we rode up the trail a few times & cleared them but then found they were back 3 hours later when we returned 🙁 I reported it to the Police as the branches were getting bigger & someone could get seriously hurt riding into them. A PCSO rang me to ask if I could get a picture of the individual laying the sticks & their name & address - WTF?? To be honest if I caught someone laying sticks I'd have my own word with them!!

Recently close to home another stickman has been laying branches & large stones on a local Bridleway, again I've cleared them & a few days later they are back. This morning I spent around an hour clearing the 3 piles but this time I posted them over a high hedge well out of sight/reach. I also mentioned it to a dog walker passing by that whoever is doing it should stop, We'll see if they give up soon or not


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 3:07 pm
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I don't buy the , "can't stop in time " line.

I might be looking out for a man and his dog, but not (particularly in autumn) notice branches and leaves on the trail until it's too late.

Combined with some (unwalkable) sections where you might enter at low speed but the slope means you still can't stop - I'll always have a bit of a look before committing if it's been windy etc., but it's definitely not going to be walked on as it's too steep (there's a rope down the side for trail building purposes), so why would I plan to have to stop?


 
Posted : 14/11/2017 4:44 pm
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Careful now, you'll have the 'you're not in control' brigade along in a minute...


 
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