I think they'd have put more time into Quintana, not sure about the others, Yates and Aru had realised they needed to go full gas and had upped the pace shortly before the incident.
Overall the jury did about as well as they could do with an impossible situation.
I think GC would have been different too, Quintana was going backwards, Froome and Porte (and Mollema too?) would have 100% put more time into him.
I think it would have been about a minute on the line. Before the incident, last we saw of Quintana was him looking in trouble and being paced up the climb by Valverde.
Is it really too much to ask for fans to cheer the race respectfully from the side of the road?
I really do think it's just an unfortunate combination of circumstances. Huge numbers of people on the big French national holiday. The big stage of the Tour with the iconic climb. Hundreds of thousands of fans. An arena cut in half resulting in a huge compression of people. No barriers in the finishing kilometres as they were being blown over by the wind. To lay the blame for [u]this particular incident[/u] solely at the feet of some disrespectful spectators I think would be not looking at the wider picture. (Though disrespectful spectators are definitely a problem that needs to be tackled!)
Very sad. Porte looked strong enough he might have dropped Froome.
Sad NQ couldn't make it stick. Too much hype (which I bought into)?
Velonews are finding something to whinge about in Sky's approach as usual
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/07/tour-de-france/froomes-abuse-of-yellow-was-movistars-missed-opportunity_414736
I think they've got a valid point. Froome acted in a dignified way with the incident at the end of the race (at least in public) and the end solution was about the best that could be found. All fine.
It was a real shame though - Porte looked really strong and could have put some time into Froome on the rest of the climb
But the earlier Simon Gerrans crash was rather different. There was stuff happening at that point in the race, it wasn't just a Peloton cruise. It was a crash due to a lack of skill/judgement (Gerrans overcooked his speed on the corner) rather than a mechanical or crowd intervention. Froome himself and his bike were undamaged. He should have had to carry on without all of his domestiques. You don't leave the yellow jersey behind but there's no obligation to protect his whole team.
Nah, don't think NQ is overhyped, and don't think we've seen the end of him at this tour.
He's a tiny rider - probably gives him a really 'low' threshold power at around 360W - he'll have had a couple of hard days battling in the crosswinds, and won't have had the raw power into a strong headwind yesterday.
Still the Alps to come, hopefully we can see him at his best there.
Having seen lunge's link, a quiet word with Quintana / Movistar might be in order.
He should have had to carry on without all of his domestiques. You don't leave the yellow jersey behind but there's no obligation to protect his whole team.
Interesting incident that. Given that Froome had pretty much stopped to wait for his teammates, he wasn't in the group and he wasn't the one that instigated the slow down, so bit harsh to blame him and Sky! Think there was quite a bit of confusion as to what had actually happened (fog of war!) Wasn't in Cancellara slowing down the group while Valverde wanted to press on? A bit of a missed opportunity by Movistar there though their popularity would likely have taken a hit had they done so!
Still the Alps to come, hopefully we can see him at his best there.
Fingers crossed, especially as we were cheated of what could have been a good finish between Porte and Froome yest.
They wouldn’t have broken any of cycling’s unwritten rules. True, it wouldn’t have been nice, or particularly gentlemanly, but there comes a time when the gloves must come off. Froome would have brought it upon himself.
Even they dont seem that convinced by their argument but at least they know who to blame.
Nah, don't think NQ is overhyped, and don't think we've seen the end of him at this tour.
He's a tiny rider - probably gives him a really 'low' threshold power at around 360W - he'll have had a couple of hard days battling in the crosswinds, and won't have had the raw power into a strong headwind yesterday.Still the Alps to come, hopefully we can see him at his best there.
All extremities crossed - so want to see him attack and make it stick.
nice data visuals from dig deep coaching on Twitter
Some bloody impressive numbers there!
You don't leave the yellow jersey behind...
Which I guess is why he stopped for a wee. Definitely a bit cheeky and I would have forgiven Movistar for not slowing down.
I don't think Movistar are tactically inept, much as I dislike Valverde he did just about all he could do once they got to Ventoux. Someone had to attack to try and disrupt Sky from their usual high tempo until 2-5km to go, then wind it up then Froome attacks routine. Valverde attacked to try and cause Sky's domestiques to be dropped but they were just too strong.
When Quintana went I think he just realised he didn't have the legs that day and if he carried on pushing into the red he could end up in serious trouble so he eased off but Froome obviously saw the weakness and attacked, at that point Quintana just had to ride at threshold and limit his losses.
It's far from over though, unless Quintana has an illness he'll still be a big threat in the long Alpine climbs. Will be interesting to see how he fairs in the TT today, I think if he loses a lot more time he must be hiding an illness.
[quote=richardk ]Generally most of the riders seem to agree with the decision (Mollema excepted)
I don't think Mollema has any disagreement about Porte and Froome being given the same time as him. He has a quite reasonable and understandable complaint that Quintana got a time bonus relative to him though - because all of Quintana's group got given the same time as Yates. That decision doesn't appear to be justified - effectively Quintana has been given benefit for simply being delayed by the aftermath of the incident when Mollema got none despite being on the floor.
Personally I agree with Mollema on that - the time ruling on Quintana's group is quite clearly unfair on Mollema (and Yates, Froome, Porte).