[Closed] Ti Frame for 140mm forks and replaceable hanger

Custom build using Rocky Ridge geometry?

Steel?

If you bend the hanger, you just bend it back again. (I'm the expert on this!)

I am fairly certain you won't find any to fit that description, as if you snap a Ti Mech hanger off you will have more than likely trashed the frame/yourself.

Might be worth speaking to Omega/Lynsky about a custom frame, tho if you are determined to have one.

forge 197 had a custom Ti frame made up by a man out Dartford way. Cost less than an On-One 456ti and was to their own spec.

Why cant you use a break away mech bolt on a Ti frame instead of worrying about a replaceable hangar?

Lynskey Ridgeline and Shedfire/Tweak/whatever it is this week Ragley are both 140mm friendly. Not sure about the mech hanger though.

Cove Hummer?

Find a secondhand Dialled Morning Glory?

You could go direct to China for a custom frame, XACD do a replaceable hanger, you'd need to match it with an eccentric BB for the SS option maybe...

Have a peek at my blog if you want more info about a frame from XACD

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Sabbath bikes do a 140mm ti hardtail, they'll also do customs if something is not to your taste with std one.

Um, am I missing what the extra 10mm is essential for?

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Should be plenty of options at 130mm, no?

Hummer?

Voodoo D-jab - exactly what you're looking for.

why do you need a replaceable hanger with a Ti frame?

richc: I've bent 4 mech hangers, snapped 1, on the current ali frame in 2.5 years. Frame is still fine, as the hanger is replaceable.
tinsy: not heard about them, will look into it.
Kelvin: My existing fork is 140mm. I like it, I don't want to replace it. If I did replace it, I certainly wouldn't be going shorter. If I'm spending a grand or more on a frame, I'm not going for one that isn't geometried for my fork size.
Smiffy: mech hangers bend - knock them off things, crashes, chain suck, putting the bike too heavily into the back of the car, done it all. Getting gear shifting working properly again
means it needs to be straightened to perfection. 12 quid part from
your rucksack and continue or limp to somewhere they can straighten your expensive frame. Assuming you didn't rip the hanger off, which would be
pretty annoying on an expensive frame (repairable, but a hassle). Again,
I've done this, fixed it and continued on. I really like replaceable hangers.

Thanks all for your advice.

compare the axle to crown height of your fork and a 130. i suspect you may be surprised by what you find, and a few more options may open up.
from the way you ride/treat your bike though IMHO you'd be better off fitting a heavier tube, running a lower pressure, getting some comfort, and not trashing a grand's worth of nice frame.....

Scootash... here you go, it seems most Ti frames dont have a replacable hanger (at least mine hasnt) this might be your answer.

Breakaway Bolt.

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tinsy is right.

Lynskey can do it. I think the new Cotic's might have. I put a 5mm hole in the dropout so that it's theoretically possible to make something that locates somehow. A kind of future "if I get around to it."

But 6.4mm of Ti plate is pretty solid.

Find some thumbshifters and run them on friction. Then it doesn't matter if your mech hanger is not perfectly aligned. Fine for everything but racing 🙂 I have a Ti 456, they ride very nice at 140mm

buy a hanger straightening tool? They'r only £30 or so. Dead easy to use and can save a alu hanger at least a couple of times. Steel ones almost indefinately.

I've never managed to mangle a steel hanger (PP has though, ask him for pics) and Ti is even stronger. And as Brant said, if it realy does get riped off, drill a hole and I'm sure BETD could fassion soemthing.

Would a lifetime warrenty ti frame be covered for PP levels of mech hanger abuse?

Would a lifetime warrenty ti frame be covered for PP levels of mech hanger abuse?

Heheheeee!
I was doing maybe 5mph when I did my Inbred hanger. I stopped well within one wheel revolution. And I thoroughly agree with the OPs need for some sort of insurance policy if he gets through a few hangers, because I know what it's like....
THIS is why I don't buy expensive (any material) frames. I wouldn't be too bothered about wrecking a cheapie!
Which is why I suggested steel, because you can get some lovely steel frames, that have hardly any quantifyable differences from Ti, but are easily repairable.
If you don't have the confidence to ride hard, what's the point of spending loads of money?
😀

you can get some lovely steel frames, that have hardly any quantifyable differences from Ti

Not sure if I agree with that, over 2lbs in weight is definitely a quantifiable amount.

Not that I would buy a Ti frame that costs >£1000. However the £600 Ti456 if it ever happens would be very tempting.

Not sure if I agree with that, over 2lbs in weight is definitely a quantifiable amount.

I said HARDLY and differences. That's the only one I could think of really and I knew someone would say just that....
And let's be honest, you're probably looking at just over a pound really.
🙂

I've no idea what you'd need to do to rip the mech hanger of a Ti frame. I did manage to bend one once though. However, not a problem popped into the local frame builder and they bent it back into line.

And let's be honest, you're probably looking at just over a pound really.

Well using the Ragleys, as they actually publish frame weights and Brant is pretty honest with these things

Blue Pig: 5.6lb
Ragley Ti: 3.4lb

So its actually a bit over 2lbs weight difference, between a Ti and Steel frame which would be a fair chunk of weight difference.

Soul 4.2lb

Soda only about 1lb less

Would a Soda be suitable for lots of Jumping?

I ride a Rocky Ridge and have own Ti hardtails as well - in tests the RR is always praised for having a more forgiving ride than other Alu hardtails of the hardcore variety - you might want to assure yourself that you really are going to get a significantly better ride quality from a Ti frame before you lay out the money...

Hummer

Would a Soda be suitable for lots of Jumping?

I don't think so. Only put that up as a comparison of Steel vs Ti frame weight.

Charge do (or did) a jumpy Ti frame IIRC. Singletrack reviewed it once upon a time.

do you mean replaceable mech hanger or adjustable to make SSing the frame easier?, if so why not a Ti frame with an EBB?

bear in mind the number of Ti failiures there seems to have been posted on here recently. Doesn't seem that bikes made from the stuff are any more durable than their aluminium equivlalents.

2lb is a significant weight. But for the £400-£900 price difference between most steel bikes and their ti eqivalent you could buy a lot of lightweight stuff. I could easily shed 75-100g each from stem, post, bars (truvative XO to controlltech, titec knock to tomphson, ea50 to ec), 200g form the saddle (bel air to anythign roady like), 300g+ from the brakes (old XT/XTR with goodrich to whatevers new ang light), 400g from the wheels (Xc on XM321, to spesh), 200g from the pedals (v8's to wellgo mags with ti axels). Nearly 3lb there, and off my mental check list thats still only spending £800 or so.

Steel and Ti frames need not be 2lb apart in weight anyway, as I was trying to point out. Different frames are different weight, it's not just about Steel vs Ti when comparing weights and/or knock-about-ability.

Back to replaceable hangers... neither steel nor Ti frames really 'need' them, but if you're splashing 'lots' of dosh on a frame it's nice to know that vulnerable bit is replaceable. You're far less likely to knock them with shadow mechs anyway, so perhaps just fit one of them if you are worried.

thisisnotaspoon - Member

bear in mind the number of Ti failiures there seems to have been posted on here recently. Doesn't seem that bikes made from the stuff are any more durable than their aluminium equivlalents.

A change of material will not make up for poor design or manufacture.

New Cove Hummer's which are now built by Lynskey have a replaceable hanger, I like the dropouts too, much better than previous frames.

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That doesn't look like the "new" Cove Hummer I saw the other day.

Was it a last years new then

If you're loaded, Dekerf will do a custom Ti Implant with EBB and Paragon Machine Works slidey dropouts.

didn't the dropouts crack/fall off the (edit:first batch of) lynksey 456's?

litespeeds with headtubes falling off?

Not saying all Ti frames are bad, but given their small numbers there seem to be a disproportionate number of failiures reported on here!

I want my old 2.something lb disk only steel sunn hardtail back 🙁

Now that was a well designed frame! Light, responsive, and you felt like you could actualy load it into jumps, corners it was that forgiving/flexy. Anyone got a 19" one going spare?

take any pictures of the new Hummer Brant?

thisisnotaspoon - Member

didn't the dropouts crack/fall off the (edit:first batch of) lynksey 456's?

litespeeds with headtubes falling off?

druidh - Member

A change of material will not make up for poor design or manufacture.

* cough *

A 07/08 Litespeed Obed was specced for a 140mm fork & replaceable hangers - though I think they have changed the spec for 09.

take any pictures of the new Hummer Brant?

No. Should have.

Guy K had it.

So can you tell us anything you noticed about it Brant?

You could always convert your Vanillas to 120mm of travel [url= http://www.wheeladventures.com/vanilla/ ]like this[/url] which would open up more frame options but keep the buttery smoothness of the Vanilla...

So can you tell us anything you noticed about it Brant?

No need, it's in MBUK next issue, alongside the Ragley Ti, Whyte 19Ti, Genesis Ti.

Ta - I'll take a look

So far I've snapped 2 mechs on Ti 456. The second went into the wheel, I immediately backed off the power but the hanger bent ever so slightly.

Not sure how much force it would take to snap the dropout, but it bent very easily.