Because of course, riding around places where there are large numbers of pedestrians, and acting like a knob, is really going to endear cyclists to other people, isn't it?
Check the 'Fixie' video on the Charge website. Pretentious w4nky bit of music, too.
Make Fixies History.
'Oh, but look how cool and trendy we are!' Choccamoccalorrabollocks.
Come on; have fun, but don't act like a dick, and piss other people off. Bit of consideration for other people, please.
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see also: any 4x4 advert that suggests that they're cool for nipping around in town, economic, good for tricking ladies into thinking you're the outdoorsy type.
[b]Hello darkness, my old friend,
Ive come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.[/b]
I'm all for cycling to be promoted as 'cool' and exciting, but this just makes cyclists look like selfish, inconsiderate people.
FWIW; the First STW London Pootle rode in similar places, yet we all acted with consideration for others. Slowed down/walked where necessary, din't tear about like nutters, or endanger anyone else. And we still had loads of fun. Needs to b a bit more of a sense of responsibility, in some people.
oohhh, i dunno, that kerb drop loooked pretty unhinged to me. 😉
I blame Israel/Germany/Iran
I blame Simon and Garfunkel.
yet we all acted with consideration for others. Slowed down/walked where necessary, din't tear about like nutters, or endanger anyone else
I'd be interested to know if absolutely every pedestrian you encountered on your London ride would concur - in my experience (being a Londoner and having done many similar sorts of rides), while we may ride in a safe way that we know is fully under control, pedestrians' perception is often that we don't and that we're coming too close/going too fast near them. In fact, I'll bet that plenty would see no difference between your riding and that in the Charge video.
So, if even one pedestrian considered that you weren't considerate/safe/etc, does that also make you selfish, inconsiderate people or is your perception the only one that decides right and wrong (rong!)?
s'right innit? Iss vem uvvers wot is rong.
Wot Big Dummy sed.
Only people that were arsey were a couple of car drivers, because we happened to be in 'their' way. Usual shit.
I'm not saying we're all perfect, but promoting something as 'hey, look, it pisses people off, how funny', is just stupid.
"promoting something as 'hey, look, it pisses people off, how funny', is just stupid"
well, there's the bogtrotters 'mass trespass' group rides sorted then.
Only people that were arsey were a couple of car drivers,
Because they were hiding in their metal boxes?
If they are supposed to be fixed bikes then how come one of the ride manuals his bike (before doing an almost wall ride thing)?
Is he using a freehub? Won't the other fixed riders shun him for that?
rudeboy and friends "acting like nobs"
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so it's ok for you but not anyone else to ride on the pavement.
Gary, do you have any photos from our little pub rides about London too?
It's a bit harsh blaming Art Garfunkel.
Hmm, I don't see any pedestrians in those pics, do you?
We didn't willfully endanger the safety of any other people. In the Charge vid, the rider tears about on that stupid bike, and in one bit, nearly goes into a bloke just walking along.
S'not abut 'riding on the pavement' or stuff like that- we rode the rong way up a few one-way streets. No-one about, no harm done. We acted responsibly. We gace other people space, slowed down when neccessary, and I even used my bell! On 'shared use' paths, we had to give way to people on foot.
Don't be going splitting hairs; you know what I'm on about. Anyone who regularly rides in London (or any city, I spose) knows what I'm on about.There's always some idiots that give the rest of us a bad name.
And a lot of them ride fixies...
I think you're missing the point that the average 'joe public' wouldnt be looking on the Charge bikes website, and although its not setting a good example for the youth, they will still go out and do it anyway after seeing someone else do it on pinkbike/another website/video.
A miss is as good as a mile. 🙂
How about, instead of wasting everyone's time bemoaning "dangerous" cyclists, you concentrate on the facts? How many people are killed or injured by fashion victims cycling on the pavement each year, versus numbers of people run over/dying from heart disease? I'm reliably informed that most "fixie" riders in London have freewheels or push their bikes everywhere anyway.
"Gary, do you have any photos from our little pub rides about London too? "
i only went to the pub bit once jim and wasn't there to witness any 'street' action or ride on a pavement.
rudeboy. i haven't looked at the vid but at the end of the day you (or your co-riders) were happy to ride on the pavement for fun, i'm not interested in an argument of it being right or wrong (i don't ride on the pavement myself) but it's against the law and if plod had seen you then you would get fined. i can't believe that somebody like yourself would condone law breaking in a public place especially being visible to young and impressionable people.
There's always some idiots that give the rest of us a bad name.And a lot of them ride fixies...
some of them ride mountainbikes too and hybrids. and shoppers...
i can't believe that somebody like yourself would condone law breaking in a public place especially being visible to young and impressionable people.
Oh shut up!
Ok so; riding on a pavement, when there's nobody else around, is still 'illegal', but hardly terrorism! Weaving in and out of pedestrians, at high speed, is both illegal and dangerous.
What if one of those fixie scum had hit and injured a little kiddie during the making of that vid? You lot would be calling for the reinstatement of the Death Penalty...
i haven't looked at the vid
Ahem...
it's against the law and if plod had seen you then you would get fined
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily.
What, against the law or you would get fined?
What, against the law or you would get fined?
Technically, it's against the law, but Home Office advice to police given at the time fixed penalty notices were introduced (which was repeated when PCSOs were allowed to issue fixed penalty notices) is to only issue tickets if the cycling is being done irresponsibly and recognised that there were times when a cyclist would perceive the pavement as being the safer option.
well that depends on the plod. if you say sorry and agree with everything they say then probably not
if you say
"Hmm, I don't see any pedestrians, do you?"
then you probably will. up to a fine of £500 (it says so on the sign outside my house) but most likely a fixed penalty of £30
Everything you could possibly want to know about this: http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php
miketully - So it is against the law and the decision to fine you or not may rest with if the officer thought the way you hucked the staircase and then grinded the rail were irresponsible?
miketully - So it is against the law and the decision to fine you or not may rest with if the officer thought the way you hucked the staircase and then grinded the rail were irresponsible?
I was commenting on the general issue of pavement cycling which, along with helmets, seems to be a major issue for a lot of cyclists, when it probably isn't really that big an issue.
Grinding can probably never be done responsibly, but I'd have though some sort of charge for damaging the rail would be a better punishment than a fixed penalty notice.
If steps don't have anyone around, and you have a clear view, I don't see why riding down them would be automatically irresponsible (and if you didn't see the polis, you didn't have a clear view).
Oh shut up!
who made you the arbiter of acceptable opinion on here?
i'll not shut up thanks.
Even though you've completely missed the point?
the point of what? riding on the pavement?
No, you Sherbet Dib-Dab; riding in a manner that could endanger the safety of other people.
Forget the pavement thing. T'wasn't part of the point i was trying to make.
Watch the video Eric.
So to sum up: one rider rides on the pavement in a manner that is deifnitely illegal, and could be perceived to be irresponsible and antisocial. Nobody gets hurt, nobody dies. It's not clear whether anyone gets annoyed, entertained or homicidal as a result of such action, not counting this thread of course. The results are broadcast via the internet.
A group of other riders ride on the pavement in a manner that is definitely illegal, and could be perceived to be irresponsible and antisocial. Nobody gets hurt, nobody dies. Some people are mildly annoyed. Pictures of this are distributed via the internet.
i thought the point was about illegal riding on the pavement and how it was o.k for you to do it because your judgment of what is acceptable is above the law. and the reckless actions of others are to be condemned especially if they are practiced under the auspices of the 'fixie' trend by people who are evidently not of the same moral fiber as yourself?
Rudeboy's hypocrisy exposed? tut tut.
Someone will be along in a moment to tell us he's a kiddie fidler.
Methinks a certain little someone should get his own house in order before wagging his self-righteous finger at other minor misdemeanors.
🙄
You're obviously a very bored little man.
Hello AdamG! Aren't you sposed to be banned? 😉
For the hard of Thinking:
The point is not about riding on pavements. Or steps, or anywhere.
The point is about riding in a dangerous manner, where there are lots of other people around. Riding in a manner clearly designed to annoy people. A la the Charge video. Watch it. Learn.
There is a distinction between being a little naughty, yet causing no harm or offence, and acting like a selfish inconsiderate twunt.
Which I'm sure anyone who's given this more than a second's thought, will understand...
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I watched that Charge video last night. I've run out and taken the brakes off my road bike, sprayed my rims purple, squeezed into some girl's jeans and was just about to go out and weave erratically through a big crowd of pedestrians, bash into them and laugh maniacally when I read this thread. Thank you Rudeboy, you've shown me the error of my ways.
It could be argued that by simply riding on the pavement, you are acting selfish and inconsideratley.
do you honestly think they were "riding in a manner clearly designed to annoy people"?
maybe it's just you they are out to annoy?
being the subject of a corporate hate campaign using the medium of internet video to attack you personally must be hard to endure.
Then you truly are lost, my child... 🙁
I actually think Rudeboys right. Sorry.
But i don't actually care that much either way.
those pics up there are both of me, and the others on the ride all tried to stop me and restrain me but i wouldn't listen. consequently, four innocent pedestrians lost their lives. i don't feel guilty though.
Then you truly are lost, my child... [:(]
thanks for your concern, worrying about the salvation of others is noble but seriously you should worry about your own paranoia.
put yourself first for a change and seek professional help.
Its all bikes.
Its all good.
Just not my thang.
I absolutely LOVE riding on pavements. that is all.
Yes, but Nutt; that's because you're too frightened to go round the Magic Roundabout without your stabilisers on...
It's not the vehicle it's the Driver/rider
maybe it's just marketing to provoke opinion and cause controversy
after all, all publicity is good publicity 💡
[unless it involves chimpanzees in frocks and flatcaps]
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"endear cyclists to other people"
Why?
Who cares..
Just ride your bike and stop moaning
maybe it's just marketing to provoke opinion and cause controversy
So, Rudefred has inadvertently let himself become a small cog in that huge corporate machine that is Charge.
Now [i]that[/i] is funkin funny! 😆
the magic roundabout holds no fear for me!! I love the thing!!
this maybe off topic but I was sat outside a urban-gastro-fusion London pub/bar/lounge the other week and some scrote on a red rock lobster (city butch edition) rode towards me, along the pavement the wrong way up a one way street whilst smoking, when some of his cigarette ash landed in my veal & fois gras pie, was it rong of me to continue eating? or should I have taken it back to the bar and asked for a new one?
How do you know I'm not sponsored by them, AdamG? 😉
FWIW, the other Fixied vids seemed ok. Just bods out enjoying riding their bikes.
or should I have taken it back to the bar and asked for a new one?
Shooduv considered yerself lucky you din't get a slap, for being a PONCE!
How do you know I'm not sponsored by them
Because I've seen pics of you. Hardly the sort of thing a marketing department would look for in a team rider.
Why, Adam; I'm flattered you pay so much attention to me! 😳
Fred - the point I made way up there somewhere was that while your riding was totally reasonable to you, others might disagree (though personally I don't see anything wrong with it). So to criticise the video for doing what is the same thing just maybe of a different magnitude (yes, they do seem to get fairly close to people) is just an argument about opinion of magnitude. As I said above, I'll bet that at least one person you encountered on your ride came away with a negative attitude of cyclists based on your behaviour ('tis ever so...) that is no different to some of the pedestrians in the video. So, my question was, on that basis, are those people(persons) justified in holding that opinion of you? If not, why not - other than you saying that you're right and they're rong...
FWIW; the First STW London Pootle rode in similar places, yet we all acted with consideration for others. Slowed down/walked where necessary, din't tear about like nutters, or endanger anyone else. And we still had loads of fun. Needs to b a bit more of a sense of responsibility, in some people.
quite clearly rudeboy thinks his poo smells less than everyone else.
riding like a c0ck and riding a [i]bit[/i] like a c0ck (but apparently with responsibility). Where's the distinction? You're still riding like a c0ck.
Did anyone else think it was a bit homo-erotic?
Not that there's anything wrong with that of course, I just kept expecting them to kiss each other.
That was just their beards velcro-ing together.
i blame myself, rudeboy, for dragging you into my pit of cocklike behaviour.
an argument about opinion of magnitude
That's fair enough.
I'm amused by some people seeing it as a very right/rong black and white issue, mind. And some seem very keen on proving [i]me[/i] rong, rather than my argument. A bit resentful, praps? Maybe they should pay less attention to what I say; I am, after all, an idiot.
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The boy's learning.
Pity you're not.
So what does everyone think of this brakeless BMX thing then?
It roolz 😉
Ponce?!
how very dare you!
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you perfumed ponce!
I have a heart condition. If you hit me, it's murder.
I'm amused by some people seeing it as a very right/rong black and white issue
Isn't that exactly what you did in your original post?
Brakeless BMX has been going for ages, and is clearly quite popular (look at [url= http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=16602 ]this thread[/url] - 88 pages of the buggers!) but there hasn't been a rash of deaths and injuries, and a public outcry. Might it be, perhaps, that as with the fixie twunts, the riders who choose to adopt such an impractical bike set up are actually experienced enough to know what they're getting into, and skilled and careful enough to avoid mowing people down at random? Just a thought.
No, clubber. All I did, was criticise selfish and potentially dangerous behaviour.
I din't expect the Spanish Inquisition....
people in glass houses... 😉
Like I said, other people would have considered your behaviour to be selfish and potentially dangerous...
" I'm amused by some people seeing it as a very right/rong black and white issueIsn't that exactly what you did in your original post? "
like making fixies history? banning fixie scum who give cyclists a bad name?
evidently being a cock is o.k. if you ride a MTB on the pavement but everyone who rides a fixed wheel bike is vacuous self obsessed hipster who should be struck down for the shocking crimes they commit.
No, clubber. All I did, was criticise selfish and potentially dangerous behaviour.
but not your own. you can't have it both ways.
Like I said, other people would have considered your behaviour to be selfish and potentially dangerous...
how many times - rudeboy is innocent. INNOCENT!
Sod this for a laugh. I'm going to go and get me hair cut.
Feel free to argue amongst yerselves....
I get the impression Rudepaddedbrain has rather painted himself into a bit of a corner. I think he should do the decent thing and lock himself in a sparsely furnished room with a revolver and a bottle of whisky...
Ha "rudeboy is innocent" as innocent as Tony Blair, though will admit that rudeboy is a proper socialist, do as I say not as I do. Bet he suspects the charge riders invaided Gaza.
I hope that's sarcasm