[Closed] That £6k trek everyone was moaning about

what are you talking about RealMan? The frame alone is 3.5k, similar for the gruppo, 3k wheels, 1k finishing kit, 1.5k powertap stuff.

As I said on the original thread, 7k isn't difficult to spend on a bike nowadays, or even uncommon. Most chipper road races have plenty of 6k bikes

Missing the powertap stuff, but apart from that, the same bike?

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/pinarello/dogma-601-sky-edition-2010-road-bike-ec023491

fair enough, you got me 😳

though with the custom HEDs and powertaps that they all ride, 10k is more realistic, whic is a nice compromise 😆

10k is more realistic

Which will actually be £9,999.99

Probably closer to £5k then £15k.

So... 😉

That Dogma get's a good review on the Evans site doesn't it 🙂

I bought this as just a run around to get me to and from work, it's tough so I don't have to worry about it and so light I'm currently gaining another ten minutes in bed, definately reccomend to all of you who want a good looking bike. Great for tricks at the weekend, due to it's lightness wheelies are a breeze n I've even got a mate to put some bigger tyres on it and taken it off road although I wouldn't reccomend this. A great bike, strongly reccomended.

I bought this as just a run around to get me to and from work

Great for tricks at the weekend, due to it's lightness wheelies are a breeze n I've even got a mate to put some bigger tyres on it and taken it off road although I wouldn't reccomend this.

wtf??

£8k and its running the same rims as my £1k Boardman Pro (I think??)

£8k and its running the same rims as my £1k Boardman Pro (I think??)

You talking about the scott scale 899? The one with the carbon ritchey wheels?

Missing the powertap stuff, but apart from that, the same bike?

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/pinarello/dogma-601-sky-edition-2010-road-bike-ec023491

It's got Dura Ace clincher wheels on it. Whip those out and put on a PowerTap, deep section Dura Ace carbon tubulars, tyres and that adds on a few bob!

You talking about the scott scale 899? The one with the carbon ritchey wheels?

didnt realise they were Carbon. Hense the reason I said I think. Look exactly the same as the Ritchey XC wheels on the Boardman

There's a lot of aggression on here isn't there - I can't see the issue to be honest. If you've got that sort of money to spend on a bike, you've probably also got the £100k+ to spend on the car and the £1m+ to spend on a house. In the scheme of things its nothing. My LBS is building a Storck road bike for someone at the moment thats pushing £15k. Bloke owns a manufacturing company thats clearly doing very well, he likes pushbikes and has a lot of disposable income. Why shouldn't he buy the bike he wants.

Then there's the racers. How many hours a week does Njee20 put into training, plus the cost of the nutrition side of things, coaches and so on. You spend that amount of money, surely you'd want to ensure your bike isn't holding you back. And if I'm right, Njee is a senior? So say there's 40 seniors, and a similar amount of Elite racers. All of which want the very best bike available. The cost of this is nothing compared to motorcycle racing so in relative terms its not that bad. I went to a national cyclo-x event last year and a bloke there (not Elite I might add) had 3 of those Scott CX bikes, all identical spec (Sram Red, Zipp wheels) and a boot full of spare (carbon) wheels. There must have been £20k worth of kit there at least.

At the end of the day some people can afford it. For everyone else, there's On-One....

For everyone else, there's On-One....

Puts hand up!

Nah, they're not carbon wheels, these are:

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You spend that amount of money, surely you'd want to ensure your bike isn't holding you back.

a content on-one rider 🙂

For the record, I race an on-one

Fair play, although its the demand from the rich truffle eaters that keeps manufacturers making bikes like this, with technology that makes it way down the line to the cheaper bikes. Economies of scale and all that, eventually you'll buy a £300 bike with a 1kg frame that'll last 10 years....or something.

Live and let live I say, as soon as I have enough money in the bike kitty, I'll be getting one of these

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0091paddy - Member

Nah, they're not carbon wheels, these are:

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The ironic thing is they're not even Ritchey carbon wheels - they're Reynolds Topo T tubulars.

When you start talking £7,500 for a FRAME
[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/first-look-cervelos-ultralight-r5ca-frame-26360?img=1&pn=first-look-cervelos-ultralight-r5ca-frame&mlc=news/article ]Cervelo R5CA[/url]
and $15,000 for WHEELS
[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/how-much-lew-racings-us15000-wheels-12670?img=3 ]LEW Pro-VT[/url]
By the time you've thrown in Di2 and some choice bits, it's possible to crack £20k no problem...
That's before you begin talking about proper custom stuff...

Sorry I was wrong the sky team bike is actually £12,500
http://www.teamsky.com/competitions_entry/0,27676,17541_2096,00.html

and $15,000 for WHEELS
LEW Pro-VT

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I think I bought some speaker cables like this.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/on-show-interbike-2009-part-22/92778

mmmmmm dugasts and FMBs.....

When you start talking £7,500 for a FRAME...

...why not go the whole hog and get a Serotta?

I think I bought some speaker cables like this.

I wonder if the bikes directional of if they took the freehub out to make it lighter?

I know some people take pride in spending lots of money, but I still dispute the value for money.

I don't know a huge amount about the cost of carbon tooling, but I do know you are making a near-net shape that requires no welding.

£7500 for less than 700g of carbon fibre? Come off it

ooo000ooo, it's called R&D. Advanced FEA packages cost many thousands, qualified engineers and office overheads aren't going to be cheap, plus the actual testing time including wind tunnels and test beds, dead ends explored, free frames for pros... the list goes on.

How much does an F1 car car cost? for 600kg? come off it! my laguna weighs 1600kg, does the national speed limit, has a radio for only 20k 🙄

I love bike porn. It's great, and it's like F1 and supercars. It all feeds back down in some way or another. But nobody [i]needs[/i] to spend 7K on a bike. In fact, I'd say that overspending on bikes is a good way to kill your hobby. By spending less and trying different frames, or wheels etc, you develop that vital deep-down knowledge of what makes a bike a bike. There's nowhere left to go when you spend £15000 on a bike. That's the cycling equivalent of a full stop.

A high-end carbon bike is fantastic fun to ride, but as an ancient trail guru once said:

[i] 'The best bike in the world is the one you're currently riding'[/i] (BR 430BC)

Wise words, although clearly he hadn't tried my Giant Stormbreaker. I mean, that was sh*it. Totally Sh*t!

carbon doubters make me laugh. been riding scale 10 for 3 years (bought 2nd hand for £1650 before I get told off for being a london banker riding around a park)

taken all hits perfectly well, much better than my old alu bike in all areas. I'll be riding it for years and climbing faster and riding further than I ever would on my old Alu bke. but if you'd rather go off a couple of reported bad experiences years ago and the internet 'rumour-mill', then by all means ignore the fact that all the pro's ride them and that they are better.

Nothing like circulating scare storeys based on zero personal experience.

enjoy your days...

;o)

ooo000ooo, it's called R&D. Advanced FEA packages cost many thousands, qualified engineers and office overheads aren't going to be cheap, plus the actual testing time including wind tunnels and test beds, dead ends explored, free frames for pros... the list goes on.

I know, I do R&D everyday. CAD in general isn't cheap, but once you've bought the packages the subscriptions aren't too bad; engineers & offices aren't much more expensive than any other industry; testing can be expensive, but the basic frame shape hasn't changed in 100 years, it's not like you are creating a new, untested shape; free frames given out are at cost price, and in return you get free feedback & advertising....and do it well and you buy LESS material.

Sometimes it is expensive and you lose money. Often you charge the most outrageous prices you can get away with, and make a huge profit. Plenty of people seem to have no upper limit to their budgets so I can't blame the bike companies for cranking up their prices.

A mate of mine did the aero work on the TT. There are some videos on youtube of them testing in the wind tunnel.
www.veloscience.co.uk

oo00oo, a brazed and lugged steel 1910 frame is a million miles away from a state of the art monocoque CF one. That's a bit like saying a formula one car hasn't changed much from a model T. In terms of there being less material, it's the law of diminishing returns, bikes and other luxuries aren't commodities bought by the kg and the amount of work required to lose 100g but retain the stiffness can be huge.
Many car manufacturers lose money on their Halo models. However, I quite agree with

Plenty of people seem to have no upper limit to their budgets so I can't blame the bike companies for cranking up their prices.

the basic frame shape hasn't changed in 100 years, it's not like you are creating a new, untested shape

Uh.. it LOOKS the same on the outside.. I think you'll find it's pretty damn different when it comes down to it.

You might as well compare a Model T with a Veyron and say it's basically the same since it has a wheel in each corner.

Those bikes are no-expense-spared race models for pros, that are being made available for normal purchasers to make a bit more money. No-one's suggesting it should replace our everyday bikes. Don't be daft.

No-one posts up pics of F1 cars and calls them rubbish and a waste of money - I'll keep my Passat thankyouverymuch.

To quote someone or other:

Light Strong Cheap: Choose any two.

I'm one of these London Merchant Bankers.

I ride an On-One

I'm wondering though, can a pro rider really tell the difference between an £8k bike and a £15k bike? Does it really make any noticeable performance difference?

And there's not really much point in making a frame 700g. You can get a bike to the UCI weight limit easily. Make the frame lighter, and you just make it harder to make it stiff enough. Which makes it more expensive. And you have to stick the weight on it somewhere, and its a bit pointless to spend £7k on a frame to make it weigh 250g less when you're just going to stick 250g of coins down the seat tube.

So these super light bikes aren't for the pros - they're not allowed to use them. They're purely for as others have said, merchant bankers and the like. Which indicates they're either made for profit, or just for fun?

Fair point for road bikes.

Do MTBs have a weight limit also?

I'm assuming so?

For all road, cyclo-cross and track events there is a minimum weight requirement of 6.8 kg (14.99 lb). Ultra light road bikes and many track bikes may weigh less than the minimum weight. These are not allowed without adding additional weight to the bicycle to achieve the minimum weight. Water bottles, tool bags, pumps and such items that can simply be removed from the bike are not counted in the minimum required weight.

It says road, CX and track. So that's not MTB then... Plus that bike's about as light as MTBs get and it's still over 15lbs.

No, its the lightest production mtb.

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/articles.php?category=htbikes

Shows that there is a UCI limit, and shows that you can build a mtb under it. I think the limit is also 15lbs?

You might as well compare a Model T with a Veyron and say it's basically the same since it has a wheel in each corner.

OK I'm talking more about road bikes here. If a Model T chassis was the same design as a Veyron chassis, you would have a point.

All I'm pointing out is that it's the same large triangle with 2 smaller triangles on the back that is has always been, with all the fixing points in roughly the same place. Refined, optimized, evolved but not really new.

We also take a lot of care at our place to look hi-tech, as it impresses people and they are prepared to spend more. Seems to work for the bike companies too.

Refined, optimized, evolved but not really new

I disagree. A modern CF bike IS new, it just LOOKS like an old bike because the design constraints are the same. Likewise cars almost all have 4 wheels cos of design constraints.

It's like saying planes haven't changed since they have wings, a fuselage and a tail.

before I get told off for being a london banker riding around a park

Given that was my phrase, I suppose I should mention that I own 4 bikes which cost more than £2k, none of which I can possibly justify, 3 of them carbon 8)

The thing is, in absolute terms, ridiculously expensive bikes are still cheap. Joe Bloggs with an average job living in suburbia regularly splurges more on a boring repmobile than even the most exotic bike we're talking about here - if you're happy to drive around in an old banger, then you can afford such a bike on a perfectly normal salary. So mentioning the cost of my stable isn't even willie waving, just that I have different priorities to Joe Bloggs.

Late to the party...

The thing with the Scale 899 is that it's not that exceptional any more, make of that what you will!

Yes £8k is a lot, but S-Works Epic/Stumpjumpers are up to £6200 for 2011, the 29er will be £6600, I'm sure it has got carbon rims, but the WCS Clincher ones, not the Topo T's with Ritchey decals.

Merida were charging £7500 for the 96 Team in 2008, which was double an S-Works, Top Fuel 9.9 etc etc, that was shocking! It's also a far more usable bike than any of the 'Limited' models they've put out for the past few years, which by and large and designed to be hung on scales!

Would`nt last 5 minuites where i live 😉

But i do love carbon on a road bike....

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see 😉

You post that more often than I post my Trek!

Odd choice of wheels IMO, and please tell me you're not running clinchers?

btw scmiken....your wrong they're not reynolds topo t's ...