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It's a great diagram, filters out the people who would struggle to tell what way to turn the pedals once installed without taking lessons first. An understated safety feature!
"I'm pretty handy with a spanner, and anyone who isn't must be fundamentally thick, so we should carry on making sure there are these little barriers in the way of them becoming handy with a spanner."
Does it not say on the instructions “should be installed by a competent mechanic”? If not, maybe it should.
Regardless of experience there was a time for every mechanic when they had to install an external BB for the first time.
BTW, the bike this BB is now sucessfully fitted to, I bought as frame only, and transferred most of the parts from my old bike to the new frame, with the addition of a few new parts. I've been riding it twice a day 5 days a week for the past six months without any mechanical issue other than wear and tear.
Have you ever seen House plans without a little compass in the corner indicating which way is north?
No. Thought not.
For those who are saying it's obvious - that's easy to say when you know,
The point that the OP is trying to make (I think) is that a simple addition to the diagram ( Such as 'L' & 'R' ) would remove all doubt.
Other examples of this are...
'Lefty loosely, righty tighty' - when tightening a bolt. What, exactly, is going left or right, FFS?
A bag of microwaveable rice, with 'this side up' printed on it. This is useless if you put that side down, without noticing. Should have been 'this side down' on the other side.
There are lots of examples, in general life, where a little bit more thought would save a load of confusion.
I agree that putting L-R
Would be very bad. Left when right way up or inverted?
wtf buys 2nd hand BB’s btw!
Had several come with used groupsets I've bought, most recently with a Rotor SRM crankset with BB30BSA. Rather pleasingly, we now can read the L-R and even directions for tighten on the shells which is a huge improvement.
Of course a Kestrel doesn't have a seat tube 😉
Left when right way up or inverted?
To be fair, the cups have L and R marked on them so it would match up with that and they can’t* be fitted the wrong way round, but a fair point—things like showing the drivetrain on the diagram may work better.
* I realise the obvious caveat to this
* I realise the obvious caveat to this
Italian cups in bsa frame?
Have you ever seen House plans without a little compass in the corner indicating which way is north?
No. Thought not.
Can we have an 'it depends who drew the plans' option?
Lots have magnetic/north and site north. Site north often being quite a long way from actual north but makes the plans more convenient to orientate. E.g. building a house on a riverbank where the river flows towards the SE. Site north would probably be about 45deg and the river at the top or bottom of the page.
So in that case, yes you do have to put a compass rose on the drawing.
Doesn't help the OP though, what use would north be on the diagram!
Italian cups in bsa frame?
That too, though I was thinking more generally about forcibly mashing any cup into an incompatible thread, eg getting English cups the wrong way round and just mullering it instead of stopping and thinking.
Doesn’t help the OP though, what use would north be on the diagram!
What if there was a diagram showing that you should first attach your Garmin and switch it on? 🙂
Clearly the view is from below, hence the uninterrupted bb shell, and just to rub it in, my 7 year old nephew just worked it out.
Clearly the view is from below, hence the uninterrupted bb shell, and just to rub it in, my 7 year old nephew just worked it out.
Does he work at Halfords by any chance?
I know how to fit a BB and the spacers. If I didn’t that diagram wouldn’t help.
It’s not an assumption, the drawing is an elevation, ie from above. Have you ever seen house plans, or any other plans for that matter from below? no, thought not.
You are correct and many with tech drawing understanding would get it w/o 2nd thought, but customer-facing info that needs interpretation is a comms fail. It's a diagram that's missing key info because it was drawn by a techie or a CAD user not someone thinking with a customer's eye view.
I'd always thought of the diagram as being obvious, but:
A) I guess when I first fitted an external BB, an E-type front mech was a reasonable possibility and there was a note detailing which spacer the front mech mount would take the place of. Made it a little clearer I guess. This was back in the dim and distant past before I had a workstand, so bikes usually did get
bodged upside down on the floor
B) I have an engineering background, and am reasonably familiar with looking at technical drawings and diagrams. Which leads us nicely to...
It’s not an assumption, the drawing is an elevation, ie from above. Have you ever seen house plans, or any other plans for that matter...
I don't look at house plans all that often, but I believe they follow similar conventions to engineering drawings. For a typical engineering general arrangement drawing, an elevation would be a side view - e.g. showing levels in a pumping station, pipe routes on a skid mounted plant, or an external view of an equipment chamber sticking out of the ground. A view of something from above would usually be referred to as a plan view.
Have you ever seen house plans, or any other plans for that matter from below? no, thought not.
Have you even seen someone with their house turned upside down on the driveway fixing the sink ?
No, thought not.
Have you ever seen house plans, or any other plans for that matter from below?
Well
you fit parts to your bike with it upside down.
Don’t all good mechanics flip the bike onto it’s handle bars and saddle for any serious work?
All this useless arguing is doing wonders for helping me remember which side the spacer goes on, thanks!
😂