[Closed] TDF - I Dont think Cav had a good day yesterday ANGRY CAV

I don't think Cav is going to win the green jersey this year! My gut instinct tells me he doesnt' have the killer driver like Hushovd does (who I think is quite sexy in an odd way). Without getting into a Cav personality debate it's a shame as he is such a good sprinter! I also think he'll quit the tour when they hit the Pyrenees as he's a bit "all or nothing" and since it's looking like a "nothing" he'll go.

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Ha ha. I particularly like the bit where he throws his helmet out of the bus door (not).

What an insult to people who actually have to pay for their cycling kit.

Nope, not feeling insulted in the slightest.

To be honest, I'd rather we had a few more sports men and women who got angry and showed it when they don't succeed at the very highest level, rather than the bland also-rans that seem to comprise the vast majority of our representatives in various sports.

[i]What an insult to people who actually have to pay for their cycling kit.[/i]

really? I don't feel insulted.

He's clearly passionate about what he does and was angry he had failed. It may be a bit immature but he's only young.

Ditch_jockey... thats why I like CAV, he may have a attitude but that attitude makes him a winner.

He's a sulky little child isn't he!!

Can't see him even winning a stage based on yesterday's performance. Didn't seem to have anything left in the tank to win it.

Did anyone read bikesnobnyc today? Not sure where else to put this but it's great:

[i]"So for Jens Voigt fans, hearing him complain about some pavé is surely like going to see Shakespeare in the Park only for the guy playing Hamlet to announce, "It's too damn hot for this shit, you can all go **** yourselves."[/i]

Petulant brat

[i]What an insult to people who actually have to pay for their cycling kit[/i]

seriously? is this what you think? *shakes head*

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Cav really and "his" book is a good read, but that stunt was petulant and childish.

And regards being insulting, what if you were a kid watching that who's worked hard doing your paper round or whatever for weeks in order to save up for your £150 helmet, then you see a pro just chuck his on the ground - I don't think it sets the right tone.

seriously? is this what you think? *shakes head*

Yes

I think you're trying very hard to feel insulted...

That's Cav isn't it. When he's on form, that's part of what makes him so quick. When he's off form like now, it makes him look childish but frankly who's perfect...

it's no worse than footballers in the world cup faking injury to get someone sent off and kids take a ;lot more notice of footy than they do cycling i'm sure....in fact it's not even in the same league, Cav gets angry because he wants to win, it's not cheating, lets hope he puts that anger to good use in todays stage

please, someone just think of the children.

I think a professional sportsman who knows there are cameras around should be able to act like a grown up. I'm not insulted to the point where I'm going to write letters in green ink, but like I said, for a person in his position it is poor form and he could/should do better.

please, someone just think of the children.

Please someone, just think of a better cliche

I think that's very odd.

There's always riders 'disposing' of their equipment like that! Millar threw his bike over the barriers a couple of years back, Bradley Wiggins chucked his wheel off the side of the road, even Chavanel just dropped his bike the other day when changing for the 48th time.

I like Cav's passion, it's a bit childish, he didn't perform, no one else to blame, but it's not remotely 'insulting' to people who buy their kit! Anyway you don't really seem to mean insulting, more that it's a bad example, in which case there are still other better examples. Tom Steeles throwing his waterbottle at someone in the sprint Robbie McEwan(?) headbutting someone. Cadel Evans.

Please someone, just think of a better cliche

Sorry but it was you who used the cliche "think of the young lad on a paper round" so yeah, please think of a better cliche.

but it's not remotely 'insulting' to people who buy their kit!

I think it is.

So there we are, you don't, I do.

Edit - hang on, I'm thinking about my correct use of English

Why is it insulting? You've given examples of it being a bad example, how is that an insult? I just can't see why anyone would be insulted. Think he's a ......, maybe, but not be insulted!

I'm no Cav fan, but I think throwing your helmet (oo-err missus) is quite acceptable after his performance yesterday. He really really wants to win and didn't, better to throw a helmet than do something stupid in the sprint today

saw an interview with (I think) rob mcewen/an straight after the race, and also one with hushovd just a little while after

both talked openly & sensibly about the whole thing - RM how he was hurting and just didn't have the power, TH about how he & cav found themselves at the front too soon & couldn't go again

weird, it was like watching grown-ups

I'd still make him go to bed with no tea.

He certainly won't win today then!

Who was his lead out man yesterday? he gave all he could, but I thought some of Cavs anger was directed at him.....poor sod.

Why is it insulting?

I thought I'd explained why I think that?

Maybe contemptuous is a better word? I just don't think it's right to trash stuff on purpose, particularly in full view of people who might not be able to afford the stuff you are trashing.

has anyone heard Cavs interview after yesterday? calm, relaxed, thanked his team, said they did a great job, congratulated the winner, just said he didn't have it. totally reasonable.

What I don't understand is that if he's lost his lead out men (and the HTC team is a bit light on them this year) why doesn't he just sit on Thor's wheel instead?

You can't be such a prolofic winner without emotion in your body to drive you forward, be that in training or during a race. Sometimes that oveflows...

So are you all learning Flemish now? da's wel tof

Cav seemed pretty gracious in apologising to his team for not bringing their effort home. He's always bigged up his performances as team efforts, which is good.

To be honest, I get very angry when I f*ck up, especially when it's wasted other people's efforts, and I have been known to throw a bike from time to time.

I'm not petulant or childish tho.

What I don't understand is that if he's lost his lead out men (and the HTC team is a bit light on them this year) why doesn't he just sit on Thor's wheel instead?

Thor doesn't want to let him sit there?

I'm sure he was calm and reasonable later on. But he still needs to control his petulance when things aren't going so good.

Insulted - no, bad reflection on him and his sponsors - yes, redemmed himself in the interview but how many people will have seen that?

Just out of interest, I once threw my Turner 5 Spot into the heather when I was knackered at the close of an unexpectedly long ride, after catching my front wheel for the umpteenth time on rocks I'd normally negotiate without a moments thought - is that insulting to people who have to buy their kit too?

My wife did suggest that I bring along one of the little square tables from IKEA next time, as that is my favoured target for frustrations when I'm at home - I think the count is 3 so far.

Cadel Evans no there is a rider that i feel insulted just to look at
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Petulant would be bitching at a person. Taking it out on inanimate objects such as your kit is not great but not petulant either I reckon.

rightplacerighttime - Member

but it's not remotely 'insulting' to people who buy their kit!

I think it is.

So there we are, you [b]all[/b] don't, I do.

Fixed it for you.

is that insulting to people who have to buy their kit too?

Depends. Was there a crowd of onlookers and a TV crew?

But on the IKEA table front, I would suggest that on the spectrum of self control, you are not in the middle.

Cavendish needs to grow up and stop throwing his dummy out of his pram hes acting like a total dick, you would think he would realize he cannot win every sprint FFS, makes entertaining viewing though! 😆

My wife did suggest that I bring along one of the little square tables from IKEA next time, as that is my favoured target for frustrations when I'm at home - I think the count is 3 so far.

I can honestly say that I've never in my life lashed out at anything through frustration. You worry me slightly!

It's OK Kingtut, I've never been bothered about being in a minority. I just say what I think is right.

It's not right/wrong, it's your opinion. But it's wrong 🙂

cav is brilliant. if only for the way he gets you lot wound up.

Cadel Evans no there is a rider that i feel insulted just to look at

Well he may have a face that makes you want to punch it but - hey - the guy was MTB World Cup Champion TWICE in 1998 and 99 so respect due.

I'm almost tempted to kick my helmet out of my office door, just to see how many people are insulted.

I HATE to see equipment being treated like that - used to drive me nuts when rock stars trashed guitars etc. and even worse Rob Warner chucking that lovely bike in the MBUK vid years ago.

If he's that upset why doesn't he go into a back room and flagellate himself with a rusty chain?

Childish, lacking in self-control/discipline, bad example, winning is the only thing that matters attitude...................

We could do with a few more Brits like that 😉

I have some new found respect for Evans, after watching him in the Giro this year.

you would think he would realize he cannot win every sprint FFS

Personally, I LOVE the fact that he believes in himself so much that he thinks he can and should win every sprint. He's the John McEnroe of cycling long may he throw his dummy around.

meh, he had a bad day, hushovd looked equally empty when the time came

[i]you would think he would realize he cannot win every sprint FFS[/i]

this is the arrogance that sets apart the occasional winners from the elite, chipolini was the same, Cav has the hunger to win everything he enters,winning is everything to him,no one remembers who came second despite what the liberals say "it's the taking part", that's just rubbish.maybe he should give Englands footballers some lessons in this. if he didn't get upset about losing i'd think less of him, more anger, more wins please

Just on the passion V self control question. I think there have been lots more sports superstars with self control than without, and losing self control doesn't do anything good for performance - just look at Tiger Woods for example.

And although McEnroe was a great tennis player, I don't think his petulant outbursts really did him any favours. Compare and contrast Bjorn Borg for example.

rightplacerighttime - Member
I think a professional sportsman who knows there are cameras around should be able to act like a grown up. I'm not insulted to the point where I'm going to write letters in green ink, but like I said, for a person in his position it is poor form and he could/should do better.

this is the arrogance that sets apart the occasional winners from the elite

Au contraire - it is what makes a few really talented sportsmen interesting to the media and punters, but which often stops them from achieving their true potential.

And don't forget the early racings been pretty tough this year, a few years ago early stages were just a showboat for sprinters.

they didn't actually manage to score any runs in the world cup.

I think you may have meant "goals" there - but yes

Bunch of drama queens

Pro cycling celebrates and encourages character traits that would be odd, undesirable or even downright dangerous in the general public. Extreme examples - Marco Pantani, Bernard Hinault and Lance Armstrong.

The angry and unreasonable side of Cav's character is part of what makes him what he is, take that away and he wouldn't be as good. He needs to grow up a bit and learn to deal with the press a bit better maybe, but the sport would be duller without him. I hope he can win today, just so he doesn't go home at the weekend.

[i]I think a professional sportsman who knows there are cameras around should be able to act like a grown up. I'm not insulted to the point where I'm going to write letters in green ink, but like I said, for a person in his position it is poor form and he could/should do better. [/i]

Remind me who won the stage but which sponsor got the most airtime.
His job as a professional is to get the sponsors on TV as much as possible. Even though he and the team did a shit job in the final run his tantrum kept them in the limelight and everyone wondering if they will get it right today.

I just read that Cav didn't actually throw the helmet - apparently he put it on the floor in the bus and whoever got on next then kicked it and it fell down the steps at the back.

But never let the truth stand in the way of a good b!tch, eh 😉

I'm sure his sponsors will be jolly happy then - especially his bike and helmet sponsors.

very true. There's not many successful 'quiet' sprinters out there.
McEwen, Steegmans, Old man Boonen - none have the passion they showed earlier & they're nowhere in the real sprints anymore.

He needs to grow up a bit and learn to deal with the press a bit better maybe

His dealing with the press is spot on usually, his little outbursts are usually 'private', when actually being interviewed he's fine!

I just read that Cav didn't actually throw the helmet - apparently he put it on the floor in the which someone then kicked and it fell down the steps at the back.

But never let the truth stand in the way of a good b!tch, eh

That may be true - I hope it is.

But if he hadn't just chucked his bike on the floor it would never have been part of the story.

Well you moaning about him having a bad day keeps him and his sponsors in the public eye just that bit longer. Do you work for High Road then?

apparently he [u][b]put[/b][/u] it on the floor in the bus

cav and his team cocked it up a bit, allowing petacchi to get the upper hand with an early jump. he clearly doesn't have the form he had last year when he could win even without a perfect lead out. but theres luck involved in a bunch sprint and he could still win one. green jersey is out of reach though so i think he'd be happy with a stage and pull out at the mountain stages.
not surprised that he's angry and frustrated with himself and the way his season has gone. no doubt he set his sights very high after last year and is failing.

I just bet that's what did happen

100%. 🙂

Green jersey's not yet out of reach, it's a long way to Paris, I don't fancy his chances at all, but the sprinters have all got to get through the mountains first!

fair enough, out of reach is a bit definite. i really don't fancy his chances though.

thats just insania.

ive never put my lid on something unless it was properly secured. treating valuable equipment badly just cannot be excused

I personally don't wear my helmet, lest I crash, and damage it, offending people who've paid for theirs.

Amateur sportpeople lose their rags too y'know. [url= http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8460811089243797870# ]Check matey's tantrum at 9:25[/url] - he throws his bike into a skip, then fishes it out so he can throw it again. 🙂

Gosh what a TERRIFYING video of cavendish. The way his helmet gently falls out of the bus, and plops on the floor....that shows real character

Can I just state that I totally made up the bit about it being kicked out of the bus by mistake 😉

ou would think he would realize he cannot win every sprint FFS

I think to succeed at that level you [i]have[/i] to believe you can win every sprint you're in. And not just think "I have a chance" but really believe it.

Also, "realise". 😉

Can I just state that I totally made up the bit about it being kicked out of the bus by mistake

I thought you might have. Happy to know my BS detectors are working normally. Or is this a double bluff?

If he had booted it out of the bus surely his lid would have zipped out like a scalded cat instead of tumbling? At the end of the day who cares? As others have said, if you haven't got that desire to win you are just going to be an also ran.

FWIW (and it ain't worth a lot) I am officially not insulted, disappointed or even mildly peeved that he was upset.

Why is no one talking about how well Geraint Thomas is doing instead?

Sky seem to be doing ok so far.

I just read that Cav didn't actually throw the helmet

Maybe the reason for his tantrum is something else.....he probably thinks no-one could beat him without some errrr.............dietary assistance possibly?