[Closed] Surly Pugsley, Anyone got one? tried just a fat front wheel

Coastkid Is the pugsley expert , Im sure he will be on later.

Shabump

just off up to pentlands bash with paul(stanfree)
got a pug and love it!,
have a read through this lot,catch you later 😮

[url= http://coastkid.blogspot.com/search/label/surly%20pugsley%20review ]my pugsley (reviews)[/url]

I have a fat front 🙂 Great fun !! Do it. Much, much more comfortable. I also run a normal front wheel - 2 bikes for the price of 4, LOL.

I also run fat front and it is much more comfortable than even a 2.55 tyred
'normal' front.

Also huge grip, especially with larry.

I run it more often than not since I have put the Larry on as it steers so 'normally', much quicker steering, or at least feels it, than the Endomorph, less self steer effect. And Larry is better in Britich conditions.

I also now run it with a standard 2.25, 26" front tube rather than DH tubes or the Surley tube which both weigh significantly more.

Sorry don't know anything about pugsleys but..

[i]see if anyone knows this band then?[/i] from the coastkid video

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Right think i have to give it a go now, Cheers guys

Hopefully the bits will be instock mind.

Chainline - do you notice the extra weight of the Larry? - plenty of life in my Endo 🙁 so I can't really justify buying one yet!

Shep - don't get a Surly innertube- a Maxxis DH 2.7" 1.5mm is a good tube to get, much lighter than the Surly tube -and I've had no punctures in 6 months 🙂

never mind the quality - feel the width
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Futon, I didn't realize the Larry weighed more? It's the same size tyre, it certainly 'feels'lighter on the trail because of how it rides.

I couldn't justify the change either but I was struggling in muddier conditions with the Endo and the Dyfi was looming, I don't regret it:-)

I think the Endo is 1150g and the Larry is 1450g. I was going to wait until it got muddy before getting the Larry. I'm intrigued by the ride quality - faster steering is desirable !

Shep - post up your build when it's done.

A jones rider saying he can't justify buying a new tyre.

Doesn't seem right to me. 😉

I rang a few places today and its gonna be ages, wait on tyre and pugsley fork is at least two months.

Did you all use the Surly rim? the Jeff Jones wheel uses a 50mm and Onza make a 50mm so was wondering if that would work.

Thanks for the advice.

I was planning this for winter.

Is it better to get bits in UK or straight from USA?

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many folk dont know that jules holland did the piano on his soul mining album...
heres a film of where you can go on fat rubber 😮
where normal bikes fear to tread..endocam...
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I think any 50+mm rim will do - Halo make a 50mm trials rim don't they?

Billys have the Larry in stock - http://www.billys.co.uk/english/group.php?prod=tysu-larry

Seems they're only! 1260g - sorely tempted, just a bit skint at the moment - I ride a Jones - but it doesn't mean I'm loaded, unfortunately 🙁

I also have other plans - an Eriksen Ti seatpost, a 165mm chainset with 30T chainwheel and a 11/36 cassette, shorter stem - so it's a question of priorities really -

50mm is usable with surly tyres,kris holm does a 47mm unicycle rim but only in 36 spoke, regular 2.5 DH tubes are fine,what i use...
the rims to get are from speedway cycles in alaska, there 70mm wide una rims... drilled like a trials/kris holm rim but lighter yet still strong, infact everything made by speedway cycles is lighter and stronger!,
here is there titanium "fatback" will be my next bike...
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165 rear hub,135 front, non offset wheels to allow 29ers too...
two bikes in one when you add a suspension fork..looks heavy?, 29 lbs easy with these bikes,my pugsley wieghs 35+ lbs so the fatbacks fly like there owners say,aint cheap though,around 4K with a 29er wheelset,

I ride a Jones - but it doesn't mean I'm loaded

And there was me thinking all jones owners were stinking rich. 🙄 😉

Not stinking rich,just attention whores.

Not stinking rich,just attention whores.

You're right about that one dave.
I saw a guy on one of those jones things out on my local trails the other day. He looked like a right attentionwhore to me.

Was he throwing it off tractors??? 😉

Im in UK in NOtts and built a pugs this year, Im loving it for all riding, esp sandy bridleways around sherwood forest

biult it pretty light with XTR and goog gear weighs 34lb

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Was he throwing it off tractors???

How did you know that? 😉

singlespeedstu - Member
And there was me thinking all jones owners were stinking rich.

They were until they paid for their Jones 🙂

I think I'll have a crack at brewing my own fatbike frame. A bit of cut and shut on an old Giant should provide some fun.

I think I'll have a crack at brewing my own fatbike frame.

I'd be interested in seeing some pics of the cuting and shuting. 😀

singlespeedstu - Member
I'd be interested in seeing some pics of the cuting and shuting.

Shep I have an endomorph tyre, looks pretty much unworn, mail me if interested, it's not going anywhere.

I run a speedway 70mm rim, makes for v low pressures without squirm

Forks from vicious maybe? Or indeed from speedway cycles, Greg matya is v helpful, I'd love a fat bike too, I'm just not sure why!!

you can get a pugsley "non offset fork" nearly all bike shops deal with ISIN, the surly importers so can get you this,around £89 i think?,
with this fork you can run a regular 100mm front hub and centreline rim,29er wheel will go in too,
only once you want to go fat out back you will have chainline clearance issues with a regular BB,the 100mm BB cures this,
it can be proberly done with the regular BB if you made it a long tail cargo bike due to the chain lenght being twice as long,
for those with time scroll through the USA mtbr [url= http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=164 ]fatbike forum[/url]
for threads on home built beasts... 😮
proberly one of the most fun bikes ive owned 😮
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Fatback Ti is on my list of wants has been for ages, don't know why but I just want one 😯

very cool videos from coastkid

what's the advantage over a "normal" sus fork and tyre set up if you're not on sand or snow?

thanks birly-shirly 😮
i would reckon apart from sand/snow that also soft grassy peaty trails esp when wet are better-like the cheviots/pentlands,lammermuir hills,and up in the highlands..certainly alot less erosion caused which can only be a good thing,
think quad bike versus landrover...float rather than dig in...
the big tyres are awful on clay where it just sticks to them which rules out alot of areas in the UK but i also think that like 29ers it just adds another different bike riding experiance...
these bikes bend the rule book a bit as there heavyish (the surlys) but ride like a real light bike on soft terrian- wierd!...but fun!
if your ever up at edinburgh get in touch and have a shot here on the beaches... 😮

coastkid - Member
...in the highlands..certainly alot less erosion caused which can only be a good thing,

That's one of the reasons I want one. It won't damage soft tracks.

you can see the difference here...about half the depth of imprint 😮

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Damn this thread and coastkid with his brilliant video's... I want a Pugsley now.

Saw one pootling around York cycle show last weekend, just looks fun and I live next to a beach so I think I can justify it with the wife, just need to sell a few bits first.

Hmmm Alfine or blow the budget and stick a rohloff on it?

What exactly is the point of these bikes - not trolling just curious? Are they only useful for sandy stuff or are there benefits to riding them on "normal" trails. They look pretty weird!

coastkid - Member
thanks birly-shirly
i would reckon apart from sand/snow that also soft grassy peaty trails esp when wet are better-like the cheviots/pentlands,lammermuir hills,and up in the highlands..certainly alot less erosion caused which can only be a good thing,
think quad bike versus landrover...float rather than dig in...
the big tyres are awful on clay where it just sticks to them which rules out alot of areas in the UK but i also think that like 29ers it just adds another different bike riding experiance...
these bikes bend the rule book a bit as there heavyish (the surlys) but ride like a real light bike on soft terrian- wierd!...but fun!
if your ever up at edinburgh get in touch and have a shot here on the beaches...

Might take you up on that - Edinburgh's not too far from Bruntsfield after all 😀

S'funny - I do most of my riding in the pentlands and I've thought before that a big old fat tyre would be great - but I'm thinking mostly of the lumpy and rutted grassy paths up there rather than the more defined trails. I see what you're saying about the shallow footprint - but do you find yourself skating around when it's muddy? What about traction on the paths that have been gravelled to death? I rode up from Bonaly today side by side with someone and sharing the path to Bonaly reservoir had us both both floundering around.

birly-shirly i go riding with houshusband and co who are on mtb scotland forum often,next time i organise a ride with that lot around east lothian come along and i will take the pugsley,were often near the coast,
last time they had a bit shot of it on the beach,lots of big grins 😮
on some regular trails its great-like sandy rooty stuff,esp roots when wet esp as the tyre just seems to bend around stuff sticking up...on descents of the black route at GT it would get a bit out of control on real rocky stuff,most ridgid bikes do though...
traction on loose gravel is really good-again from the spread of the tyres,
i think they are better sand bikes than snow bikes as has to be the right snow, (powder), but a hoot on the beach,
i can ride down murder hill sand dune at gullane beach!,the dune that was on the episode of coast...but there people magnets and it gets a bit tiring explaining to folk what it is..., oh they float too 😆

I rang a few places today and its gonna be ages, wait on tyre and pugsley fork is at least two months.

Did you all use the Surly rim? the Jeff Jones wheel uses a 50mm and Onza make a 50mm so was wondering if that would work.

Thanks for the advice.

Ison have larrys in mine just arrived also the new salsa enabler fork might be worth a look.
I run enabler/chub ss hub onza 128 hog rim 49mm and larry.
It really rocks.... well through the rocks

I've email Ison twice about an Enabler fork and had no reply from them...

Gil out Dalby way has one - or did last winter. Interesting bike to ride in the snow.

Well i imported 2 from the states $87 each plus $50 shipping and £25 import tax because ison got on my wick when my LBS buddy rang them up they fobbed him off twice ,then denied the fork existing!!

I emithered ison and Salsa to complain and had lovely replys saying that " ison had ordered a batch and would be our side of the pond within a week" that was a month ago.

when did you email?

About a month ago for the first time then again a couple of weeks ago.

get your lbs to ring you need to get past the frontline staff or import yourself took 10 days to arrive i used americancycle.com the fork is really smart and sus corrected to keep your angles right.

I'll get one sorted when my new El Mariachi frame arrives at the end of the month.

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i like your kung fu (tubing)

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It really does float!!!

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and i wiegh over 14 stone 😮

I can confirm that the Larry tyre is much better on normal loose terrain than the endomorph, it steers more accurately in corners and doesn't wander in the same way on muddy loose and hard pack. The endomorph is however better in soft but not muddy stuff and of course sandy terrain, all imho of course.

I agree with Coast kid on the weight thing, my Jones is not the lightest thing on the plant especially with my hardcore build, but it doesn't ride heavy.

I've also found using a normal 2.25inx26 tube drops the weight significantly (not surprising really) and as yet I've had no issues, Jeff uses 99g super light 26 tubes, I'm not brave enough for that!

The nice thing about the Vicous forks and Speedways is that they run non offset forks, enabling you to build a 135mm dish less wheel, whether its fat or not, when using the 135mm rear hub the wheel is compromised a bit, but I have no idea whether you'd really notice it.

You are then restricted to using either Phil Woods 135mm non offset front hub or the Paul's hub from Jeff, both of which are really good.

I'm still talking to Cliff at Royce about building one 😀

I just rode 'Puffer on an Inbred with carbon Pace fork and 29er WTB 2.55" tyre. I like the setup a lot.

On the way there we saw a bike with a Larry front tyre, on a car in Aviemore Tesco carpark. Seemed to be a normal rim not a wide one. I'm tempted but I reckon the tyre would flop about on a narrow rim. Opinions?

Larry seems to be £85. [url= http://www.ison-distribution.com/ison/english/searchresults.php?keywords=larry&submit=Search ]Larry tyre at Ison Distribution[/url]

Cheers, al.

Yep, that will be very wandery on a normal width rim, verging on dangerous even at lower pressures, which is half the point, Salsa Gordo at 35mm I would say is still too small really, 50mm rim minimum.

I run wtb 2.55 as my 'small' front wheel and my rear although Jeffs forks aren't as forgiving vertically as a carbon fork so I need as big a 'small' tyre as I can get.

dangerous my bum. that was my bike outside tescorooneys, it's a temporary measure until my bloody replacement onza rim arrives. oh it's on an easton havoc front wheel (30mm) running at 15psi nae wandering here.

Oh and your hub options aren't limited with the enabler any rear hub will do and plenty hubs can be built zero dish.

I've got an Endomorph in a pair of White Brothers Rock Solid forks, bit tight round the sides but loads of crown clearance on the 440mm versions.

I got a cheap 50mm rim from unicycle.com in 36 hole, the White Industries front hub was perhaps bling overkill though.

It does feel great probably going to get the fork that Surly do that takes the fat tyre and a standard hub and a Karate Monkey frame to have a Jonesesque thing develop seems rude not too considering I have Titec H bars as well ;0)

I tried a 26" Maxxis flyweight innertube at 100g - but it punctured on its second outing - and because the tube has to expand so much to fill the Endomorph, the puncture repair just wouldn't hold - so not worth it really.

another option folk may want to consider is a semi fat 29er...
if you arnt riding sand/snow in winter (every 40 years...)
i have 37mm wide halo rims with 2.5 WTBs on my KM which are quite good but going to price a set of these 50mm una rims from speedway cycles in alaska..
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they look like the kris holm uni cycle rims but are lighter and 32 spoke...get a half way house between the pugsley and a regular mtb
this would be good for peaty trails with a bit road work between 😮