[Closed] Super star pads delaminateing yet again...

You must have got one of the "dodgy batch"

I raced the FOD Enduro in 2008 and had this happen on lap 2. Pads approx 50mins old. I will only use OEM or EBC pads.

mine are and have been fine,all i`ve used for the past 2 years or so 🙂

Ting tong pads made from dried grass & uhu !,don't cut corners on cheap brakes !!,it ain't worth it lads !

But they are made in the same factory as some of the OEM ones 😉

Out the back, late on a Friday afternoon when the boss isn't watching, with the stuff that was left over on the floor...

you joined just to say that? I've used superstar pads since they first started selling them. Always been fine for me. If in doubt, pay full price for oem.

Seriously, anything with that level of corrosion's got no place in a bike, let alone in a brake, can you really be surprised that they failed after you let them get in that condition? You wouldn't complain if a badly rusted chain snapped.

New member registered today...

Yet again this....

Been on the forum before have we?

Northwind - Member
Seriously, anything with that level of corrosion's got no place in a bike, can you really be surprised that they failed after you let them get in that condition? You wouldn't complain if a badly rusted chain snapped.

I just assumed it was a complete troll.

well I've never had a problem out of about 30 sets on my downhill bike and living in the alps does hammer them... not sure what to say other than unlucky and why are they so rusty?

No fan of superstar at all, but the most obvious troll of the week award right there.
This, basically:

Seriously, anything with that level of corrosion's got no place in a bike, let alone in a brake, can you really be surprised that they failed after you let them get in that condition? You wouldn't complain if a badly rusted chain snapped.

Yup. Northwind said it! They look corroded to ****.. How long were they in there then, and how much salty road spray did they get?

And what is the opposite of astroturfing?

I would like to point out that I am in no way affiliated with any shonky pad pedallers.. I'm in the posh pads only camp, after I had some Disco Brakes pads de-laminate too, and they weren't rusty... By posh, I mean comes on a header carded packet, so you at least know which factory they came from: Ashima, Alligator, EBC, Swiss Stop, etc etc.

Just to agree with all above:

Seriously, anything with that level of corrosion's got no place in a bike, let alone in a brake, can you really be surprised that they failed after you let them get in that condition? You wouldn't complain if a badly rusted chain snapped.

They're corroded to ****, they've been left wet after many rides and/or kept in a damp shed - not really surprising. I've had other manufacturers pads do EXACTLY the same when I've abused them. I've just changed two CAR pads that did this (though the design of car pads means they can't fall out completely) after the car was left standing in a damp yard for 3 months.

Do people take their pads out and dry them after they get wet then?!!!

They shouldn't corroded as no water should get in as they should be bonded and the metal is normally galvanized.

Seriously, anything with that level of corrosion's got no place in a bike, let alone in a brake, can you really be surprised that they failed after you let them get in that condition? You wouldn't complain if a badly rusted chain snapped

What? Well, yes, you really should oil your pads to prevent corrosion, just like you do your chain. Or maybe just some WD40 after a ride or when you've cleaned it to disperse the worst of the water! :-S

Or maybe the corrosion isn't rider abuse, but a quality problem, exactly like fourbanger said just above.....

I've had Yamaha pads separate on my motorbike and they were around 50 quid each

these are a few quid and look like they've been kept in the canal

get over yourself

thepodge, it shouldn't have happened to your Yamaha pads and it shouldn't happen to these.

Interesting forum name the OP has, almost as if there was some agenda 🙄

Yep rdog, there does seem to be some kind of agenda.

Don't think I've ever seen a pad in such a rusty state.

I have no great loyalty to Superstar, but I have bought them for years now & have never had a pair delaminate. I'll keep buying them while they work well in both fit & application.
It doesn't even concern me that much if they do delaminate. I've run my pads down to the backing plate during a ride before and could still brake fairly effectively. But I don't race downhill.

I had this happen to a set of Hope pads,perhaps I should only buy cheap pads? I mean with my 29er wheels just exploding, and my carbon parts spontaneously combusting and now all the panthers!!! I should stay at home with my pretentious coffee and take up hand wringing.

I blame the cephalopods.

A quick check of the image info suggests you took that picture on May 25th 2008. Now your date may be set incorrectly in your camera, but I highly doubt it.

A quick check of the image info suggests you [b]took that picture on May 25th 2008[/b]. Now your date may be set incorrectly in your camera, but I highly doubt it.

Good sleuthing Bob!

Lol nice one - those look more like something found on a shipwreck then brake pads to me. My current set of ss sintered ones have been in the bike nearly a year now and have no signs of corrosion.

I actually had ss pads delaminate on me donkeys years ago and got the crap excuse that I must have bashed it fitting the wheel but given they were so cheap I gave them another shot and been happy since.

What "dodgy batch" is that, Tandem?

Or maybe some wd40 after a ride

Don't put oil on ure pads boys FFS !

The best thing to do would be to remove them
& Let them dry after a good wash,and if you've got access to an airline blow the caliper dry !,this is gd maintenance ...

A tooth brush or similar is ideal to wash inside ure calipers then do the above !.

Another good tip is to remove them from the mounts & let them dangle in warm soapy water ..

[devil's advocate] I've had a set of superstars do this but also happened on a couple of other budget brands and a 'proper' set that had come installed in a brand new £160-an-end brake too. Only once (the expensive brake and proper pads) did it happen when I was actually riding (front brake, at some speed, over rocks, proper sphincter action!) rather than checking/removing/reinstalling wheel though, thank gooodness. I think the common factor being that they all looked dead rusty. I am a bit more fastidious with rinsing out calipers after muddy rides these days and it hasn't happened for a while to my bike (but mrs j had a pad delaminate last year and she is considerably less good at bike washing 😆 ). Perhaps that is all bad and then good luck though. [/devil's advocate]

Oh also my camera doesn't have the right date on it either: most of my photos say they are a couple of years older than they really are.

User name of OP suggests a considerably blunt axe to grind though. What is the opposite of astroturfing?

What is the opposite of astroturfing?

Defamation?

Ive had my issues with SSC, about 5 years ago. But now am happy to use their pads. Dont see the point in labouring an issue from a long time ago. Octopron or not.

turfing?

crazy paving?

Maybe STW gets to coin a new term.

I like 'crazy paving'. 😀

Why is Midge Ure involved all of a sudden? What's wrong with his pads?

I've had two pairs now that have dropped their pads. The corrosion on my backplates wasn't nearly as bad as those pictured however there was rust forming from under the pads which I'd think would be moisture being present when the pads were bonded. A bit disconcerting but really that's 2 pairs in 3-4 years. My cars fail more often.

the quality of trolling these days is shocking

is this like the 'chainsuck' problem threads..?

OP.. when fitting your wheel, do you repeatedly and clumsily jab away at it.. unsure as to why it won't seat in the caliper smoothly and immediately as you force it into place..?

what's that..?
you do..?

aaahh

EDIT: also just seen the date on the photo 🙄

OP.. when fitting your wheel, do you repeatedly and clumsily jab away at it.. unsure as to why it won't seat in the caliper smoothly and immediately as you force it into place..?

That's basically what did for these pads...

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Time to have the thread deleted?

Atlaz- those pads still have at least 9 months in them.

I've had the same problem as the OP, except it's spread to my whole bike. The whole thing was brand new two days ago.

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I can't beleive the "shocking quality" of these pads. 🙄

I think yunki has brought up a good point about jabbing the disc on the pads..

60 day old pads, where were they kept salty humid place?

Isn't it strange if you type "superstar pads trolling" and it comes up with that picture first!

Let's add some pictures to make this thread worthwhile..
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Spooky, I posted another thread asking about SS pads a few minutes ago obviously it's disappeared without a trace due to the flurry on this one Cut 'n' paste below:

Like many people I swore off SS pads when I had a couple of pairs of the Composite/Organic pads separate from the backing some time back, but I'm willingto be won back over* (*I'm a cheapskate)...

It's coming up to time for a re-stock of pads, My last lot of sintered Clarks were good so I'm thinking I'll probably be after some sintered pads this time round.
I'm assuming the disintegrating pads issue of old was confined to the composite ones - did anyone have the same problem with SS sintered? or for that matter their newer Kevlar jobbies?

And obviously I'd like to know how the kevlars compare with sintered, the claims on the website make them sound great but how are they really in terms of bite and wear when compared with a sintered pad?

Genuine question not looking for SS bashing troll action today...

GlitterGary - Member
What "dodgy batch" is that, Tandem?

The one about 3 years back 🙄
seemed to particularly affect people on Mlehworld and resulted in insults aginst SS owners partner, an outbreak of gingerism, threats to burn down warehouse and general nastiness which would cause outrage if posted here.........

I use SS kevlars on my heckler, and sintered on my chameleon. Kevlars give great grip but only last a few rides in the wet peaks (understandably). The sintered ones stop me before tree filled death and last for years.

cookeaa - I've not had them delaminate but the quality is very variable, the last batch I bought the pad material was too small and the metal springs just flop out the backing plates unless you bend them. I was very underwhelmed with the kevlars but lots of people seem to like them, I found the sintered better, though the kevlars do make that nice "vrrrrrrrr" you get from organic pads, rather than the "ssssssssssss" of sintered. So if you are also into the sound of your brakes that might sway your decision.

I'm not sure if i'll buy from SS again after the last batch, but damned if I'm paying £15 a pair again.

robdeanhove - Member

What? Well, yes, you really should oil your pads to prevent corrosion, just like you do your chain. Or maybe just some WD40 after a ride or when you've cleaned it to disperse the worst of the water! :-S

Very amusing. Actually, what you should do if a component becomes badly corroded is replace it, especially if it's a safety-critical part, rather than waiting for the inevitable failure then complaining on the internet about it.

Or, if you're using them in a very salty environment, which I assume must be the case here if the condition's genuine, you ought to give the poor bike a hose down and clean occasionally.

Glittergary - SSC stated there was a rogue batch that caused the issues of de-laminating pads and that this was not going to happen again. People continued to get pads that de laminated after this "rogue batch" was "removed" from sale

the "nastyness" from Mlehworld was because he ripped off and mocked 3 memebers with cranksets and then lied about it.

Yep, tbh I think it's fair to say that in the bike industry, it's practically never a bad batch, it's just a convenient feeble excuse.

OP, where do you ride? On the bed of the North Sea?
Theres less corrosion on the Titanic...

Has Mrs fruit raced against our jojo yet?

*waves at Bruce*

*gesticulates in return*

I think I'll start a new brake maintenance regime. Wash, rinse and blow dry after every ride, spray brakes with WD40 and set fire to it, and then shine the disc with wax car polish. That should keep the kit nice and dry.

To think I've been carelessly leaving them to rust since my first 'agricultural' C2s about twelve years ago. I've been so lucky.

Do you think that's normal everyday corrosion on those? Seriously? Even the sets I've used for winter road use have never got anything like that. So assuming it's genuine, I'm also assuming they came out of a phenomenally trashed bike.

If that's aimed at me, NW, definitely no. Earlier today I changed out a pair of pads that have had several years' neglect. Back brake: mostly used on long descents, and I haven't ridden big climbs for yonks. There's surface rust and traces of green paint on the old pads. The friction stuff is still stuck on there, except where it wore away to the backing and made the brake squeal. They've not been touched otherwise since I fitted them. It's the benign neglect theory of maintenance.

Like you I wonder what state the OP's bike was in, and equally what metal, plating and bonding went into the pads.

I'll bite. Check my picture. That is a "trashed bike" ridden in winter filth then mostly left in a shed for 9 months before being dealt with. I'd cleaned the parts I thought would rust but didn't think about the pads. Nothing wrong with the OEM pads before I ignored them. Most certainly something wrong afterwards.

Having laughed at this thread originally, same happened to me, the back brake started sticking and squealing and then pulled to the bars (made me go faster anyway). Pad surface had come off.

When I got home I had a look at the other pad, and the material was completely loose and only held in by the love of jesus.

Pads were bought in 2011, ridden in spring, then taken off whilst i had kevlars on over summer, fitted them again for winter. Bike is kept in my flat and dries quickly. Very surprised at the amount of rust on them but I guess they get hot and wet a lot, not sure that the water should be getting in behind the pad material so much though?

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Guess the moral of the story is either don't use pads for more than a few months, or don't use superstar pads, not sure which!

Couple of rides: this is the pair of pads. Two sets did this, one set did four months. Who knows. And the owner was a chump who I refuse to give money to anymore - better people to give money too, even if it is a few pence more.
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I'm sure water shouldn't be able to get between the pad and backing plate like this.

Use them all the time with no issues. Bike almost never cleaned. Maybe I am lucky...

lol... 🙂

So in the interest of "science / research" when did you guys with failures buy your pads? I wonder if its date /batch related?

Personally - I've not had any problems - I'm working through the 4x deals I got in late 2010 ish.

the web site says same stuff at half the price, he lies...