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And going back to your post, the 456 is perfect just to go?
You might prefer a bike that is actually designed for the style of riding you want to do, rather than mincing round trail centres with forks that are too long.
Just a minute ago everyone was praising the 456, now I am being told to avoid it? I was ready to order it until I saw these comments!
The 456 is an excellent bike for pretty much anything you can throw at it as it's bullet proof. My lad is 14 & when he finally gets as keen as you obviously are then that's the bike the I'd get him. I have one & love it. The frames are always coming up on here in the classifieds, if you wanted to you could always try posting in the 'Wanted' section, although a 3 page thread is bound to attract a potential sellers interest...
Like we said, welcome to STW...
My tip would be try lots of bikes from lots of different shops before you buy (you've time if its 2months wait for a 456). Just cos half a dozen folk youve never met on a forum you're new to like one, doesnt mean you will...
Ok, so agreed that I should get the 456? because I don't want to spend £900 and realise its not right for me.
Maybe I should just do an impulse buy, get it and enjoy it, would cut down on the stress of thinking it through too much
If we all agreed you should spend your money (not our own) on a rigid, 17lb carbon singlespeed 29er. would you run out and buy that?
Buying on impulse can work if you have a good idea what you need/want from experience, but rarely if you dont
TRY (lots) BEFORE YOU BUY!
Ok so is the best idea to go down to a bike shop and tell them what i am looking for, If so would Evans Cycles be good to go to to get advice, sizeing etc?
did I do something against the rules?
everyone else here is 40 & fat. just check out the the 'i wore the crotch out on my m&s jeans' threads 🙄
i've got a 456 and it's a great all round bike.
if you want to get into xc or freeride it's not the best/worst bike for either, but it'll do both ok. got mine just right now. 😀
NS bikes core is similar but maybe more burly/ heavier.
commencal ramones is another similar bike but in aluminium...
EDIT: ask in a few bike shops - don't take anything they say as definate - same as on here. people tend to try an put their own ideas on to people. i've seen people sold downhill bikes when they'd be better off with a hybrid!!
Ok. again is evans cycles a good place to go if i need a small frame (16") and will they fit me up with a good bike?
Dont just try one shop, else youll just end up buying what they sell you. Go to a few, do some proper test rides (not just round the car park, you can usually book a go on a demo bike for around £30) then youll get a good idea of what you like/want, so you can make a more informed decision.
actually scrap that, the nearest evans cycles is about 4 hours away
How about a demo day where you can ride actual bikes on actual trails rather than paying £900 for a bike you've never ridden that won't be here for 2 months.
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This going to be a long night lol
Please don't ask, what tyres....
Jus get out njoy
My spider senses are tingling; This is more & more reading like a subtle Troll. Either that or someone is trying to test out some half-baked hypothesis on Internet advice/bike snobbery etc.
Open ended budget?
No idea of anything?
Seemingly willing to buy whatever a complete stranger says?
Very 1st post...?
My spider senses are tingling; This is more & more reading like a subtle Troll. Either that or someone is trying to test out some half-baked hypothesis on Internet advice/bike snobbery etc.Open ended budget?
No idea of anything?
Seemingly willing to buy whatever a complete stranger says?
Very 1st post...?
I am not willing to buy whatever a complete stranger says, I came here to learn about what I should buy, Is it that uncommon for someone new to the sport to come to a BIKE FORUM to get help on what bike to get?
If so well then where on earth do I go? jeez
Ans not to mention the fact that i thought on a BIKE FORUM i would be able to find the best bike for what i want, because i had no idea what to look for, I have never taken my mountain biking seriously and no little about it. So yes, again i thought the best place to learn about mountain biking . . . would be . . . you guessed it . . . a BIKING FORUM.
Don't take stuff to heart, I think people are just starting to play with you. Don't bite. There's loads of piss takers around here.
The general consensus is that you need a 'hard core hard tail', for want of a better exspresion. There's quite few around google it and see which you like the look of.
How about an orange crush?
http://www.allterraincycles.co.uk/product/125120.html
is this the orange crush
so shall i go for the orange crush or on-one 456
I am not willing to buy whatever a complete stranger says
How about an orange crush?
so shall i go for the orange crush or on-one 456
People can only recommend bikes, not with any certainty say what will suit you best. It all depends on you, the stuff you ride and how you like to ride it. You seem desperate for someone to tell you what to do but £1.5k on a bike you've never even seen is a big gamble.
Take my Pace 405 for example. There's plenty that dont like 'em but I tried it, liked it and bought it. It's about personal preference which is why getting out and testing some bikes on demo days will help you make your mind up.
Orange, DMR, NSBikes, Ragley, On one, Cove, Kona, spesh, commencal, and probably many more make bikes of the type you're looking for. Check them all out and see which is in your favourite colour.....
1. What are your local trails? I suspect not a swoopy wooden ewok village!
2. You will change, upgrade and eventually entirely replace the bike a number of times. You just need a general starting point.
3. An expensive bike is higher maintenance, as you sound new I think it will just be a headache to get something too fiddly. A solid hardtail with a nice mid to long travel fork (130-150mm travel), steel frame, flat pedals. Then buy tools! You will need a starter kit of too many bits to go into here. Chain Reaction Cycles does complete starter kits for £40+.
The recommendations/bikes you have chosen span too broad a range. Ignore the DH bikes for now, get one when you have the skill and experience. Likewise with a freeride bike. An all-mountain bike (140-160mm travel) would be great in the future, but I think too fussy for now.
The On-One 456 is a good option. If you can wait until the end of May you can pre-order a 456 with a Rockshox Sektor fork and x5 gears for £799 delivered. This would be an immense first 'proper' bike that can be ridden very hard. Some good flat pedals (look up Superstar Nano flat pedals) and either skate shoes or 5tens will have you glued to the bike.
Look after the bike and you can sell it on once you've specified into a type of riding. The 456 will do a lot of things very well!
ok, its settled on the 456, but the on-one website is not working for me, is anyone else having this problem? i cant get on it with out errors.
Listen to David. He's talking sense.
ok, its settled on the 456, but the on-one website is not working for me, is anyone else having this problem? i cant get on it with out errors.
You're 15 surely? Its not working because you're to young. You need to be over 35 to even think about getting on the on one website, let alone buying one.
Go on pink bike or something like that, its a wesite populated by kids who ride what it sounds like you want to ride. None of them ride On Ones, alot of them ride the type of bike Ive told you to buy.
Infact, what are you doing on singletrackworld?
I honestly have no idea any more :S
Don't go to pinkbike. you seem like a reasonably literate pleasant enough 15/16 year old not a canadian gnarr miester prone to bouts of hyperbole.
As you've said yourself your not totally sure what you need and your not too keen to fill your head with the BS that shopping for a bike comes with these days. a 456 or similar 5" forked geared HT is a sensible starting point...
I heartily recommend <bike I own>, it's way better than <bike I can't afford>
Stop confusing the guy.
The 456 is a great bike. Suits you perfectly... Buy it. I had one (As did a huge number of people on this forum).
If you don't want to wait, spend more on the Blue Pig, or go and have a try on a Sub Zero.
You mentioned Gawton. Don't just grab a bike and throw yourself at that place because there is some BIG stuff on those trails. Hook up with some people who know the trails and ride with them.
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I honestly have no idea any more :S
I feel for you now, really. I've got 3 bikes, an AM, a 'Hardcore hardtail' and a trail bike. I agree with the guys saying go HT first. This makes sense.
What I do not agree with/like, is all those that would slate this lad. Flamers stay away...
I for one genuinely welcome you mate 😀
Ok, thanks for clearing up. I think i will just wait for the 456 as I see no reason why it can't handle what I want to do with it 😀
It's been confusing and stressful ha ha, but I am finally done and am sure going to pick up the 456
You really won't regret that choice, now you just need to decide on a size...
Take it easy now that you've made up your mind, go find a group to ride your local trails with, and ride them.
You'll soon be learning all the gen & lingo (& skills) you need to be able to make an informed choice for your next bike (after the 456)
FWIW I find it stressful just choosing a tyre! 😯
Glad you've got some clarity Matt, ignore DTF. He's stereotyping you as wanting what many other teenage MTBers ride. Dirt jump bikes are fun, like a big BMX (I had one) but they don't go up hill very well!
If you get a clearer idea of a type of riding you are into and want to specify then take the bargain bundle of parts off the 456 and get another frame in the future.
By the way most of the people here are 30+ (40+?), very into their bikes and and come across as snobby.... but on the whole know a lot and are willing to advise. Watch your spelling, expect criticism and welcome! I think you may be the youngest here. I thought I was a STW nipper at 27, I feel all old now.
Use the search on here to hear what people say/do with their 456, it's worth reading up a little. You often get topics like: "show me your 456" which are good places to see people's setups. A lot of people have bought the frame and built them up so there's variation which reflects the versatility. It's more of a tough bike than a light one, which you need for chucking about confidently.
The raw frames look awesome 😀
Have a look at a few bikes - what visually takes your fancy? To me, the visual aspect is just as important as the ride.
Take a look on PinkBike - there are literally thousands of combinations of bike specs - one frame might be matched to 20 different forks, all making a difference in how it rides.
Instead of dropping £1.5k on something, how about you buy a base second hand bike, with the intention of swapping frames/forks over the next year or so. You may go through 4 frames...
You may prefer a short-travel XC bike, a long travel hardtail, a short travel full-sus, or a long travel full-sus. Maybe a slack head angle, ultra wide bars or skinny semi-slick tyres. We can't tell you which one to buy...
Previous ones I have owned since 2006 (just to give you some inspiration!) ... you may notice some parts get transferred between the frames..
Orange Crush '07 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/5690776/
DMR Trailstar -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4296824/
Spesh Pitch Pro '08 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3951123/
Merlin DJ -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/2780844/
Marin Mount Vision '00 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/1659440/
Spesh Enduro '05 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/2805436/
Spesh Langster '10 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/5287754/
Sintessi Bazooka '98 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/1726654/
24seven Cro55er '06 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/1332352/
Pace RC500 R2 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/1431431/
Current bikes.... (which I can't see me changing any time soon... despite their age!)
Orange Patriot '00 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/7770232/
Orange 222 '02 -> http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/7864331/
And I have a Haro 300.3 '11 BMX...
I am 18 myself, people here think I am 40 and have a beard just because I ride a singlespeed, I ride a SS because I am a student therefore skint, but on the upside physically capable.
I like STW because people on here have an opinion, sometimes it's full of crap but most times genuinely good information, and people still answer even though you have asked the same question for the millionth time.
Oh BTW mattamomo there is a lot of sarcasm, piss taking and banter round here. Don't bite, if you do anything genuinely wrong the mods will drop you an email.
Which 456 we getting this guy to buy? Only the Carbon 456 X9 is available to buy now, with the steel X5 coming out in May? Correct me if I am wrong.
It is only available in may, but it seems i may aswell wait and make sure i advance a bit on my old x-rated before i hit the bigger trails with the 456
Ans thanks for clearing up, i got confused for quite a while there
What's on-one's record in delivering on release dates?
I remember Ragley struggling. Don't know about on-one, but I'd hate to think of someone missing 2 amazing months of the year (may/june) because of a delay.
matt, is this your first time on [i]any[/i] internet forum? Do you and your mates not engage in banter? Do you need a smiley putting at the end of any sardonic/sarcastic/humourous/satirical post?
there are lots of long term regulars here, and lots of recurring questions and themes (such as "what tyre?" threads). The stereotypical STWer is 40, works in IT, rides an Orange full sus and a steel hardtail (and I tick 3 of those boxes 🙄 ). New members are welcomed but there are plenty of people who like trolling, and when someone turns up claiming to be new some people suspect it is an old member with a new account.
DLT's post about the On One site was a send-up of the typical STWer as much as it was of the typical Pinkbike gnarl rad to the power of max teenage downhill warrior and all the funnier for it.
The 456 is a great bike/frame, performs beyond its price and holds its value.
Middle aged, works in IT, rides an Orange, and [i]drives an Audi[/i] is the stereotypical STW member.
I tick 3 of them.
Again thanks for clarifying, I just thought i did something bad/ against the rules.
Thank for helping on the bike choice,cant wait till i get the new ride now 😀
And for the record, it's not the first one! ha!
Dialled Bikes Prince Albert or Alpine as an alternative to a 456. or a Cotic BFe.
And for the record, it's not the first one! ha!
I'd rather be middle aged than drive an Audi... 🙂
Dialled Bikes Prince Albert or Alpine as an alternative to a 456. or a Cotic BFe
They are all frame only, so you'll have to build up them yourself.
Might throw a spanner in the works here but:
Another option would be the [url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=62610 ]ragley blue big[/url]:
It has a better fork a Revelation RL as opposed to the Sektor R on the 456. Since you are 16 I doubt you will weigh over 73kg, therefore you will need to buy a softer spring for the sektor coil fork, where as with the revelation you adjust the spring hardness with a shock pump, since it is an air fork. With the Revelation the damper will be more composed on rougher terrain too, take it that the Rev has a lockout too?
The drive train and shifters are better, on the ragley, however you could/probably will replace these as they wear out.
The brakes are Avid elixir 1s on the 456 and elixir 5s on the pig. Most people dislike avid brakes because they are a pain to bleed amongst other things, therefore I would recommend you get some different brakes, Shimano SLX are good.
Simply put 456 X5 has a nice frame, with the fork being decent, brakes and drive train bearable, but they can be upgraded, but I recommend you try out the brakes if you like them keep them, otherwise replace with SLX, why not sell? they are avid elixir 1's worth very little about £30 each second hand.
Or you could get the Blue Pig, which also has a nice frame, a Good fork, good drive train, decent brakes, but I recommend you strip them off and sell them, and replace with SLX.