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Is that your ride Pjay?
Good grief no (I couldn't afford one of those - I've got a Swift) I was having a play with Tazzy's photos from Instagram (so I assume it's his).
That's my original one, Andy and I had them, then they were tweaked a bit with added titanium bullmoose taz-bah etc.. Then the steel version came into being. I also have a lovely one of those with klunkpacker forks and drop bars. It will be at the dirty reiver if anyone wants a play. My ti baby will be at Battle on the beach
LOL - what a night last night.
Going from 2 yrs on a Mk2 Stooge to Sppeedball my mate was flying...
A regular Wednesday nighter turned into a 7 hour let's push the boat out, extended loop (ott 4 pubs later too)...
He was flying on the bike, giggling all over his face
Looks great all brand new XT built up. The paint job is oustounding - seems like there's a very protective, plastic coasting on top
I had a similar ride the 1st time I took my Krampus out, it was ace.
My biggest issue with Stooge are understanding their model range, I've pre-ordered the mk4 because it was a good deal and can finally take a normal dropper. I'm looking to swap the frame over from my Singular Rooster that takes 3" tyres so i'm loosing a bit on the back. After your/your mates feedback though i'm back to wondering should I have gone Speedball?
Depends what geometry you're after!
The Speedball is classic Stooge, whereas the Mk4 is 'progressive geometry' Stooge..
Mk4 still takes the 29er+ plus front, but 'only' 29x2.6 rear. Sacrificing a bit at the back for longer TT & slacker HA and dropper compatible. I went Mk4 personally, but i get the appeal of the speedball. Especially with a truss fork :O
I don't really get the traditional geometry speedball stooge from the marketing material. They're saying that's what a rigid bike should be like, but then the other one is different...?
The speedball isn't traditional geometry, it was basically designed for me to be a racier endurance bike with 29+ roll over but still handle like a yobbo in the fun stuff.
Also turned out that the later steel Verizon was a great bikepacking rig and stonking with drop bars.
The MK4 is batshit mental and handles brilliantly as it's got the geometry of the dirtbomb. I really fancy a titanium version of one
'Traditional' & 'Progressive' means different things to different folk
speedball isn’t traditional geometry, it was basically designed for me to be a racier endurance bike
= traditional geometry
The MK4 is batshit mental and handles brilliantly
= progressive geometry
(IMHO)
Thing is the mk1-3 and the speedball are still progressive compared to many rigid bikes surly, singular etc... The dirtbomb was basically a how far can Andy go with it and the MK4 was a hell let's make it a thing for folks to have in a more cost effective manner. It's also two fingers up to suspension and all that guff as it pure rigid with no way of ever stuffing a boingy frontage in
So, conflicting opinions of what is 'progressive' or 'traditional'
I don't even know what constitutes traditional, but thought Stooge was never that
Wile colourful & enthusiastic descriptions are good, I wouldn't buy a bike on that
What about the plant pot?
You stood it back up yet?
i've not been past to do it for you.
I've done it Stu - it thanked you 🙂
This is what progessive geo looks like for all the people out there that think half a degree and 5mm make something progressive.
https://flic.kr/p/UZnbKJ
Stu do you wheelie that everywhere?
Snot mine.
But if I was ever to go back to a rigid bike it'd look like that.
Bedmaker is responsible for this and fair play to him for riding real progressive bikes and trying to translate it to rigid bikes.
I like that, I'm still contemplating the stooge mk4. Got till the end of the month.....
Sorry forgot to say thank you back to Bonesetters pot which seems to be quite happy to be just a pot.😛
Stu, that's pretty close to the MK4 geometry, with a similar silly truss fork offset 🙂 ya grumpy old git
Na mate just look at the 2 of them.
😘 to you too taz you great big softlad.
Saw the stooge today in the flesh and it just looks like "a bike" all be it's a nice colour but to call it progressive is kind of funny.
Saw the stooge today in the flesh and it just looks like “a bike” all be it’s a nice colour but to call it progressive is kind of funny.
You saw a Mk4?!?
I saw Jim's bike that was in the OP.
No idea what mk it was there were far more interesting things to talk about like Niges over turned flower pot.😚
This is what the MK4 geometry will look like albeit in a different shape (if the damned photo works, never have I been so confused). 66 degree head angle, 80mm offset forks, so its certainly far from normal.
http://stoogecycles.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/DSC_0165.jp g" alt="dirtbomb" />
yep, just as I thought, didn't ruddy work, I give up
Agreed on the photo posting - it's ridiculous
Keep trying though Andy, even if it's a link we'd like to see it, although those numbers sound good
Agreed on the photo posting – it’s ridiculous
Keep trying though Andy, even if it’s a link we’d like to see it, although those numbers sound good
Is there anything in this thread that helps? - singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/displaying-an-instagram-post-in-a-forum-topic-link-advice-needed/
Images from the Stooge website should display normally in img tags.
Bonesetter - Build looks great. Assume the XT kit you fitted is 11speed with a non-boost chainset, what is clearance like between chain and tyre in the lowest gear? My Speedball arrived today (thanks Andy) and I ride in lots of mud over the winter so am torn between Halo 35 or 50 rims for the rear.
LOvely looking bikes. Apart from mine, it's fairly hideous looking in comparison 🙂
The MK4 and speedball look like a lot of fun. I plugged the front end geo figures into a calculator and the wheel flop and mech trail come up very similar to my own.
Despite looking a bit mental, it rides great, much more capable than a rigid bike ought to be. Feels nice and balanced.
If I was doing it again, I'd most likely go 66 degrees too, with a bit more reach.
I'm tempted to sell mine and go full 29+. Hmmm...
Mr Tricky - Congrats on your new ride - do post a pic or two when built
As for the one I built for my mate, 11 it is is with non-boost
I'll look at chainline later today when I see the bike again
What I will say though is the Bridgers come up on the small side of 3" which will give more clearance, and I did look at clearance in the CS yoke and it's about at the comfortable max
Here's mine built from a mix of parts bin and new stuff.
Vapour 50/WTB Ranger
Dually / Teravail Cumberland
Hope SS and Dartmoor hubs
Stooge Motos
Hope X2
Brooks C15
Middleburn/Velosolo/Halo/KMC Half link
Thomson and Hope finishing kit
Oury grips
Electron pedals
Someone went past me today on a purple stooge, I shouted 'stoooooge' at him but he kept on going. He probably thought I was a weirdo. I was in suburbia being unimpressive on a trials bike.
Common as muck now
Re chainline when on the top cog - it's close - very close. I hadn't noticed just how close
It's a newish tyre on the rear and the little nibbly hair-like thingies you get on the walls touch the chain. I would guess it at 4mm
Can't find many reviews of the Speedball (with either fork), what to they actually ride like? For general XC trail riding, would the MK4 or the Speedball be more suitable?
Any info useful as are a bit confused with the 2 models.
Can’t find many reviews of the Speedball (with either fork), what to they actually ride like? For general XC trail riding, would the MK4 or the Speedball be more suitable?
Any info useful as are a bit confused with the 2 models
I only had one ride on my Speedball (with biplane) so far. I've bought it for long rides and bikepacking and I think it will excel at this. I had a Mk1 for years which I did all my riding on - racing/trail rides/bikepacking/trail centres. Speedball feels very planted climbing (no weight shifts required, just sit and spin) and great comfy position (I'm running Jones loops). I've also ordered a Mk4 to run with a dropper for day-to-day riding. You won't go wrong with either.
Speedball has a lower BB (~10mm), longer CS's, shorter reach and a high front (certainly with the truss fork)
This translates to a more planted, stable feel, less twitchy, strong and stable (sorry) at higher speeds, more upright, central, comfortable riding position
With 29+ tyres it wants to roll fast, and whips up quick
A well sorted riding bike, and quite different to the Mk1 & 2 which I have spent time on
I haven't had all that much time on the Speedball, but plan to have an extended ride the weekend
Thanks Bonesetter, thought it might be. I like to wrap the chainstays with old inner tube for protection which reduces clearance too, so a slightly narrower rim for the back it is then.
Rocking the Bullnose Bars
MUCH better than the Moto bars
These synergise well on the bike, making for a comfortable, well rounded feel. Recommended
bloody things are well common now, seeing as there was only ever meant to be 2 titanium bikes (Mine and Andy's) 🙂
Interested in comparisons from anyone who's rode a Speedball and a Jones Diamond?