Rorschach - Member
the way it turns in a cornerAs opposed to how it turns whilst going in a straight line perhaps?
boom-teesh!
It looks great. At first glance the Salsa bars look very similar to the Mary bars you started with, but maybe the Salsa bars are wider, lower, and less swept back. Do they feel quite different? Also, did you manage to try the Jones bars to compare them?
Regarding the effective toptube; I see 23" and 23.5" mentioned on different sites? What is actual? In metric?
Hi Monkeyrider, 23.5 is the correct measurement, check my website on the geometry page and all measurements are there in metric. I noticed that earlier on in the thread it was actually me that quoted it as a 23" top tube - must have been a long day 🙂
Looking at pictures, showing you on the bike ( being 5'9" I thought?) it looks really short ?
I am running a 18" rigid Karate Monkey and medium Ragley Big Wig 120mm, both 23.5" (ish) effective tt and they show a bit longer (?) I am 6'1"
NB: I am still looking for a reason to buy this (beautifull!!) bike, next to my KM and Ragley. KM with very short chainstay, lower bb and steeper headangle, Ragley with longer chainstay, same bb and slack headangle.
What would be my main benefit riding Stooge vs my rigid Karate Monkey ? ( Except being the proud owner of the first Dutch Stooge 😀 )
Re: the tall front end versus suspension fork, I'm more than pleased with the X-Fusion Slide on my 29 Inbred. It's set at 120mm but the stanchion length is 140 so that gets around the height issue I'd imagine.
Hi Monkeyrider. I'm actually somewhere between 5'11 and 6', so not much shorter than yourself.
Re the difference between the KM and the Stooge, the slacker headangle and increased fork offset make it incredibly stable at speed, you really feel as though you can hit anything with full confidence. It will also have a much lighter, more unweighted front end, so less punishing and a lot more chuckable.
pluss, no-one else with have a bike like yours in Holland 🙂
Regarding this unweighted front; Are you still able to keep the frontwheel on the ground when climbing seated?
Jonestown - what are the reach and stack numbers?
yes, of course. when i say 'unweighted', what i really mean is the ease at which you can loft the front end and, compared to more traditional rigid bikes, the sense that your whole weight isn't bearing down on your wrists when riding off road. It's not a case of the front being so light and airy that you can't keep the front wheel down.
I run my own Stooge with 40mm of headset spacers. The riding position is more like a modern 6" trailbike than an xc bike. With this set up it excels at technical riding in the woods, really comfortable for all day rides. You could run the front end lower and it would put you in more of an attack mode, better for climbing etc, but the set up i have is, in my opinion, what works the best.
deejayen - Member
It looks great. At first glance the Salsa bars look very similar to the Mary bars you started with, but maybe the Salsa bars are wider, lower, and less swept back. Do they feel quite different? Also, did you manage to try the Jones bars to compare them?POSTED 2 DAYS AGO # REPORT-POST
The two bars couldn't feel more different.
I spoke to a dealer who sells alot of 29er bikes and as soon as I mentioned the Mary Bars, he said they're too narrow - which are the same as my impressions
The Salsa's on the hand are night & Day better. I can't say perfect, but very nearly
I would prefer a tad wider and a little more sweep
However, the front of the bike feels brilliant now. They have given more control, made the front feel lighter (as if it could any lighter), easier to loft/wheelie, turn corners, technical - a very big overall improvement
Just fitted Mary bars to my commuter & they feel very narrow. Wouldn't put them on the mtb (Niner SIR.9), & I'm running old fashioned 685mm bars.
Nice build at CBMH
My riding is hilly and steepÂ
lollercopters.
You bimble round Clent.
singlespeedstu - Member
My riding is hilly and steeplollercopters.
You bimble round Clent.
That's right yeah, in my world, the Col-de-Clent is hilly & steep 🙂
The Col-de-Clent sounds like a severe test of man and stooge.
Oh yeah, a true test, if it wasn't for the Stooge I'd be sat at home every time 🙂
Nige.
You still want to try the loop bar?
^ Yes please 🙂
Pick em up tonight if you want.
Just ordered a purple. Excited.
Jonestown - have you got reach and stack figures available?
Hi Cheezpleez, thanks for the order, your frame will be with you on Tuesday. Yabadoo.
Reach is approx 427mm, stack is 584.
Thanks Jonestown 🙂
I just read this thread again and no weight of frame and fork is mentioned yet.
Does anybody have actual weight of frame and uncut fork?
Hi Monkeyrider, i'll get the weight for you as soon as i can get my hand on some scales. I wasn't watching the weight when i designed the frame, but having said that, the bike on my website (with a Knard) weighs in at 26lbs, or 11.8 kg. There's nothing especially lighweight about the build so i imagine you could get a bike down to 24lbs quite easily.
Interested in frame and fork weight too.
Any near future planes for frames without ebb?
Really like the frame but i have no plan on running ss on this one.
weight still to follow. I may well do a regular BB version, but at this stage its economy of scale, i'm a very small outfit trying to be all things to all men. One upside of the ebb is that you can play around with geometry (chainstay length, bottom bracket height)and i like that. But the ebb is fit and forget if you run gears (as i do). Don't let it put you off 😉
I was a bit worried about the eccentric BB as well, my single speed days are done.
But its not much weight, and probably means stiffer BB generally, plus being able to play with single ring setups, and BB position for the reasons listed above and for me also being able to get seat position just right for the cockpit, but being able to independently modify relative peddling position ( a bit) is an unforeseen plus.
Just started building mine up. Proper lovely frame. Looking forward to see how 29+ front works. Felt great on the test bike. Andy couldn't have been more helpful.
^
Any pics yet??
Anyone know the seatclamp size please?
Just ordered a blue frameset at CTBM .........first Dutch Stooge will be born 😀
Charlie was very helpfull in sharing his experience on a Karate Monkey and the Stooge; Both great bikes but quite different ride: Stooge more agressive and fun, KM more for long steady days.
Sounds there is a place for a Stooge next to my KM. 😀
It will be a bit of "classic" build with what I have in my barn (mosty new or hardly used):
polished stuff, bit vintage and modern mix; 1x8 34(or 30) x 11-34 with square tapered crankset (Shimano STC-RC 5arm 1995! almost new) Surly SS chainring,jumpstop, Sachs (yes...real "Sachs") gripshifter, Salsa bend2 bar, Avid bb7 and some flatpedals.
I already have received my Velocity Blunt35 wheelset from "Just Riding Along" with tubeless Knard front and Conti Xking2.4 rear.
I will post pictures asap
Nice! I picked up a frame from CTBM yesterday - very helpful 🙂
Do Avid BB7 fit fine on the back, what rotor size (160,180)?
I will be using 160 rear and 200 front. I guess that's no problem ?
somebody must know the seatclamp size??
31.8
I use 200/180
Good to see more folk getting into the Stooge - great bike and looking forward to hearing ride reports - as I'm sure is Mr Stooge
Would you please all hurry up and buy up the first batch of these frames as the second batch will have a fork with anything cage mounts 🙂
31.8 seatclamp on a steel frame with 27.2 seatpost ??????
30.0 is more-or-less "standard"
i thought 30.8, but this hope one says 31.8
the OD of the ST (which I did measure before posting) is indeed 31.8
You are totally right! Just had some emails with CTBM and indeed: Stooge has size 31.8 seatclamp !
Heavy tubing at that part ?!
steel jones has 31.8 seatclamp too 😉
Saves me having to ask. Thanks. No pics yet. Knard arriving tomorrow with any luck...
