I dno't know. I'm sure lots of b+ tyres will appear, but will 29+ get the same traction (sorry...).
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Out of interest... Do you guys with the stache have any issues with hitting your legs on the wide seat stays?
Like this guy mentions in the review...
http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-reviews/test-ride-review-trek-stache-9-27-5/
Everything's crammed in down there
21.5 good fit on orangutan here 🙂
Out of interest... Do you guys with the stache have any issues with hitting your legs on the wide seat stays
I got big chunky legs. I have, maybe 5 -10 times touched a calf on the stay. Our shop manager rode our test Stache and rubbed his heels a bit on them. Neither of us find it a problem and we've both gone ahead and bought one! He has the 5 which I put together yesterday. It's a very pretty bike indeed in that blue.
I'm a big bloke, and the only time my calf comes into contact with the stay is when standing on the pedals, and that's only happened a couple of times, certainly not an issue for me.
I have had mine about a month now, and have put around 250 off road miles on it.....I still find it amazing! It is incredibly comfortable, flickable, and makes you ride better than your abilities! The chupacabras are very good in most situations (pressure dependant), but I discovered a weakness yesterday.......the wonder that is clay!
Even though they don't pick it up nearly as much as my normal 2.2 x-Kings (which is all I ride on my other bikes), and they shed it, for the most part, very well, when switching from clay to normal peaty gloop, they wash out on bends very quickly! I was hooning down a track I use a lot yesterday and got to a corner that I usually cut with a little bit of a yip off the top....when I landed, the bike went from under me with no warning, and I went down faster than gravity!
Looking at the tyres, even though the blocks were clean, in between was rammed with clay.....anyway...it slowed me right down and ended my ride.......
A lesson learnt, but not the bikes fault.....I hate clay!
Anyone ridden both a Stache and a Farley?
Tried the latter at CYB early this year and whilst it was a hoot overall, there were a couple of negative characteristics: the first was some kind of odd steering effect which I can only think was some form of brake steer. The other was that coming into a corner waaay too hot, got really bad tyre roll which was deeply unpleasant.
Was wondering - hoping - that the former might be dialled out with improved goemetry; and the latter was maybe a tyre pressure issue (found out later it was 9psi and I'm a hefty bloke) rather than a general constraint of fat tyres?
Nice to see they've brought the rigid Stache 5 for this year; debated whether to acquire a '15 MY on a stateside trip but want some saddle time first. Been keeping an eye out for suitable 27+ (only interested in rigid)
Final question: what are they like on metalled roads? My daily loop includes road stretches to & from no-at-all technical woodland loop; wondering if might suit as daily driver...
There'll be a Stache review on the site soon as soon as I've had time to write it up. I reckon it's going to mostly be a thumbs-up though. Sorry to add to your shopping list... 🙂
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Anyone ridden both a Stache and a Farley?Tried the latter at CYB early this year and whilst it was a hoot overall, there were a couple of negative characteristics: the first was some kind of odd steering effect which I can only think was some form of brake steer. The other was that coming into a corner waaay too hot, got really bad tyre roll which was deeply unpleasant.
I had a fey days on a rented Farley at CYB = blues and reds only as I was with my 7 year old, but I though it was a really ponderous, heavy thing compared to the Specialized Fatboy. Still fun in a "rolling over everything" way, but the Specialized is so much lighter, more nimble and more fun.
Which doesn't really answer your question, other than I wouldn't use the Farley as a yardstick for anything, as I don't think it's a great bike.
Which doesn't really answer your question, other than I wouldn't use the Farley as a yardstick for anything, as I don't think it's a great bike.
Actually, it sort of does - thanks. Wonder if CYB adding to the fat rental fleet anytime soon...
Well I demo a stache couple of weeks back and thought it was a great bike used it in the Forest of Dean on the same trails as a Farley the stache is much more capable bike but then again its got 110mm suspension forks where my Farley is rigid. The Farley is just a totally different ride in my opinion.The Farley is amazing over tree roots.
lets just say i was interested in the 5 and n+1 .... for those of you who have the 5 can i ask how tall you are and inseam and what size you went for? The 5 has 20mm longer reach in all sizes Vs the 7 & 9 models due to the rigid fork.
I am bang between sizes and unsure whether to size up or down (18.5 vs 19.5). Seems to be only 15mm in the reach & TT measurement between the two sizes (plus extra 15mm wheelbase). Everything else is the same (apart from seat tube length which is 47mm vs 44 mm). Standover is actually slightly less on the larger frame.
the stock stem is 80mm. I could either size down (to 18.5)with seat back on the rails / layback post but would need to keep the 80 mm stem or go a bit longer on stem length. OR other option is to size up (19.5) with a 60mm stem (20mm drop in stem length compensating for the 15mm increase in length).
small frame longer stem / seat back Vs longer frame shorter stem? hmmmmm
The 5 'comes up small' is what I will say
So, size up
Yeah that's what I am thinking and then running a shorter stem. Thing is the reach is huge compared to my existing bikes at 430mm (at least 30mm greater than my largest bike). But I do run that bike with a 100 mm stem.
I went 'XL' which I was super worried by. Swapped out the stock stem for a 60 (will try 50) and now have fitted a lay-back seat post
Well n+1 has taken its toll on my Christmas fund. Oh well.
Bonesetter yeah you are right about the fit. The reach is really long 450mm on the large but it feels quite short to me at 5ft 10. I do like larger longer frames though.
Definitely would not want any smaller.... I swapped the 80mm for a 60 mm stem and slid seat back on rails. It's still about 40mm less in reach than my xc bike. Fits well.... And sticks to the ground like glue.
First ride out this morning... With a hangover.... And still got within 4 seconds of most my prs on my skinny 29er xc bike. Little slower on the ups but bouncy fast fun on the downs. I can unfortunately see my other bikes being put at the back of the shed (well apart from my croix... Need that for commuting!)
It's a really really fun bike. Oh and have you felt the weight of the darn tubes! They weight a ton! Tubeless really helps. Still playing round with the pressure... Around 15 psi at the moment but may drop front to 10.
I put a 60mm stem on mine, pushed the saddle back at little .
I've settled on 10psi front, and 12psi in the rear, no rim dinks, no punctures in nearly 1,000 Kim's off road.
Just about to go out now on the 9, great fun bike.
Just changed the front tyre for winter to a Maxxis Chronicle for better sidewall grip though.
Yeah that's what I am thinking and then running a shorter stem. Thing is the reach is huge compared to my existing bikes at 430mm
Really? Blimey, it feels really short to me. I tend to like a longer TT on my bikes though, sort of long with a high front end where the Stache seems short and low.
PP yeah what I meant was on paper reach looks long... Danger with just going off geo charts! Remember the 5 has about 23mm more reach than the 7 and 9 due to the rigid fork. The seat angle is adjusted a bit to compensate. But it certainly does not feel long at all.
I size up generally on all my bikes and shorten the stem. Longer wheelbase gives slightly more stability and positions you further back for the downs. Climbing is only slightly compromised but I didn't feel the front wheel lift at all today on very familiar climbs. If anything the 19.5 feels a tad small and I may go back to the 80mm stem or get a lay back post. Will ride for a bit more before I make any major changes.
Dennis yes I think I will drop the front to 10 psi and try that.
Danger with just going off geo charts!
Indeed. I generally ignore everything except TT length. I've always said that people discount bikes based on a a few numbers far too often, in fact I think I mentioned that earlier in this thread. 🙂
I found that with the shorter stem the bike handled better on the downs.
It was a tad too long for my riding preference at the stock 80mm.
It's probably just a individual rider preference really, never found a bike that didn't involve some sort of personal adjustment with stem and saddles.
lol - yeah, those tubes are way heavy
The bike is super light overall though. Wheelsets are lightweight as well
Bike (21.5) was 27lbs in LBS with tubes and no pedals
We need more stache pics though :0)
Still loving mine, and the 19.5 weighs in at 26.5lbs with titec j-bars and m520 pedals...tubeless though.
I put a 100mm 10 degree rise thomson stem on, and the fit is perfect for me at 6' 34" inseam.....it really fits well. One thing I will have to get my head round, is the PF92 BB....what's one of those? I got the spearfish pf30 sorted with an FSA adaptor, but I like the race face cinch gubbins (no chainring bolts to squeak), so will most likely upgrade the bearings when it's time...what sort am I likely to need?
Im slowly getting mine to what I want it to be, Im going 27.5 as I want to use my almost new 29er pike forks. I've just taken delivery of a hope/wtb scraper front wheel and a Purgatory control 3.0 tyre. It will fit the pikes but, not with a mudguard and there's no way im riding in these conditions without one so that's going on the back.
Until I get the rear 27.5 sorted I am staying 29er, I did take it out on a very long ride last weekend with a maxxis chronicle on the back and minion on the front. It was brilliant 😀
Anyone ridden a Jones Plus to compare?
Yes, we need more B+ Stache feedback
Someone with a 5 too 🙂
My short (very) review was of the 5 🙂 this is mine in its natural environment this morning. I bloody love it...sticks to the ground like a fly to a cowpat.
As fast (overall on 17 mile swinners blue red blue Crowthorne) as my skinny wheeled xc 29er.
I can see my bouncer gathering spiders 🙁
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I really like the S5. It's the nicest colour by far. The spec is very good too, all Deore and even Shimano brakes (Basic ones but way better than any Avid)
The only real cost cutting part I noticed when building one was the cheap headset bearings. Replace those ASAP and you're good for a long time.
Hey PP, yeah the basic deores are alright. Was going to swap my xt's over but will just run them for a bit. Actually find they have much more modulation that the on/off xt's which kind of suits the bike better (as in slowing down a bit when you need to but not too much).
Don't really have anything negative to say about it so far....to be super critical I was not too impressed with the stock wheel builds. Dish on front is off by about 3mm and rear about 2 mm. Will sort that when I can be bothered.
My only criticism is where the rear brake cable crosses the bottom bracket, it can pick up the shite so it builds up there.....a swift flick of the finger sorts it though :0)
It reminds me of when I started riding mountain bikes, but in about '87... Fully rigid fun!
I don't regret my purchase one bit.....
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Anyone ridden a Jones Plus to compare?
That's asking a lot 🙂
I have a Stache 9 and owned a Jones Spaceframe bike for a short period earlier this year.
I couldn't gel with the Jones and sold it.
However, although it's not a Jones Plus, I did run it with both a fat front end and a 29+ tyre at the front.
The Jones was a very comfortable riding position and climbed better than you would think. For me the truss rigid fork was the ultimate let down of the bike.
I know there is a dedicated following for the Jones, and I'm not trying to rubbish the bike, it just didn't ultimately suit me or the local terrain at Afan.
Jones Plus would probably be a more comfy bike than the Spaceframe, and a bit lighter I dare say.
I genuinely liked the Jones, but just couldn't handle the rigid nature of the fork for Afan riding.
The Stache 9 is just great, been using this bike more than my Trek Fuel.
I've got a Stache 5 and love love love it! Haven't had anything with wheels bigger than 26" before, and am amazed at the grip. Took it out in the snow and ice yesterday and it didn't miss a beat... Highly recommended!
Wow, coming from 26 to 31 must have been lierally laughing out loud 🙂
I appear to have just ridden nearly 70k on mine , which nicely dispells the draggy tyre nonesense ( only plus size on rear, maxxis chronicle)
Fair amount of that was on road too which is hardly ideal
Stache vs Stooge
B+
So, here it is - Stache (size XL) with B+
Vee Fatty 3.25 front, Nobby Nic 3 rear
Chainstays at 16"
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Looks great!
What didn't you like about the 29+ out of interest? (or did you just buy the frame set rather than swap out for B+)?
Looking at the pics, clearance is not massively different from stock 3" 29 chapapapappapapuuccccrassssssasata ... Maybe 15/20 mm? Hard to tell from pics.
I can honestly say my 5 is the best bike I have ever owned. I love it. Despite having a decent bouncer, 29 ht and cx it's the bike I grab all the time now.
I have gone back to the 80mm stem and slammed it over and removed all spacers under.... The front rides high with the rigid forks. I prefer long and low.
One thing that has been niggling me on mine is the fact that I get a slight left lean with no hands.... Frame alignment is spot on as far as I can tell but rear dish is over to the left by about 2mm (would that do it?)
The brace that supports the seat tube is a little wonky on mine. How's yours look bonesetter?
I see your enthusiasm, and I really dont know (or rather its too late during christmas) how to reply to your many points
What I will say is for me the B+ is just a better (much more fun) platform. Feels like your on a big BMX on the trail. I'd say try it and see 🙂
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It looks alright as a B+ too! When I get around to it, I might blag a set of scraper wheels and have a go
Just measure the BB height on the B+ Stache at 11 3/4" which is 13mm lower than OE 29+
No negatives seen yet, just positives 🙂
DC - No wonky TT/ST brace on mine
Also, I like a rotated weight off the bars on my rigids, ala Jones, Stooge etc style, so when sitting/riding on the flat there's hardly any weight through your arms. This makes for a very comfortable ride as well being able to lift the front very easily
Ride it off the back wheel BMX stylee 🙂 which I have to say with CS at 16" is very entertaining
I am now the happy owner of Denis99's old one. He's a proper gent BTW 🙂 What a superb day for a first ride. Only managed a couple of hours but so far it's exactly what I want. Not like a small version of my fat bike, more a beefed up version of my non chubby stache. And it's SO FAST when it gets going.I think I closed my eyes a couple of times!
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Enjoy the bike Alex.
Wish I could have kept it, but riding a hardtail doesn't do me any favours now
