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I don't *think* it's core strength- more flexibility.

I broke my hip and pelvis when I was 18 and have never really regained the flexibility I had before that.

I effectively do 9-12hrs of weight training a week for my job but it's not quite as dynamic as a kettle bell session perhaps!

Interesting segment on Francis Cade's Vlog this week from the guy who does the bike fits at Sigma Sport about how pursuing a super slammed front is not beneficial for you unless you can already ride in that position.

Thinking about training rides I've done where I've been really pleased with my position- it's always been on the CX bike which is loads higher with a 110mm stem.

I may try and recreate that on my race bike until I get better at holding it and then I can think of tweaking it downwards again.


 
Posted : 19/07/2017 10:39 am
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CH, not tempted to use that bike fit app I was using ๐Ÿ˜†


 
Posted : 19/07/2017 10:51 am
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Find Dan BIgham on Strava for a picture of how aero you can get on a road bike.


 
Posted : 19/07/2017 11:03 am
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Hadn't thought about it no, what was it called??


 
Posted : 19/07/2017 11:04 am
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With JDโ€™s Crash experience ringing in my ears, I said goodbye to the wife and that it would be so cool if I got my first point in a 3 / 4 race. To which she replied that it would be even cooler to be in a fit state for work tomorrow!

Sorry, didnt mean to get in your head ;-).

While I was walking back to the start last week with one of the comms, he was saying how he didn't like short circuits like Sundorne, and he specifically mentioned Hillingdon. I think the problem is that they aren't technical/hard/long enough to split the field and you end up with a big group going into the final laps. City centre crits have their own dangers, but their technical nature usually means only a small group contest the points

As for your position, the only thing I would say is that you look a little cramped, and that if you bend your arms more you will have quite a big elbow/knee overlap.

I hesitate to use myself as a example but here's a pic of me on the hoods with bent elbows to compare

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Also, if you struggle to take your hands off the bars without changing position it suggests that your weight is too far forward. is there scope for moving your saddle backwards?


 
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Hey don't be silly JD, I only mentioned it because it was true but I doubt I was thinking about not-crashing any less than usual ๐Ÿ˜‰

Ah, the FB pic won't work, can you use Postimage or something?

I agree about feeling cramped, it's partly why I wondered if my frame is too small for my upper body. There is scope to move the saddle back too though.

I may invest some time going through it from scratch one evening.


 
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Here you go

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Posted : 19/07/2017 3:15 pm
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The apps called "Bike Fast Fit", it's this one:

I'm 6ft riding the exact same frame as CH, it's exactly the same geometry/sizing as the Cervelo R series. There is some knee/elbow overlap on the drops but it's never bothered me.

Coincidentally the only thing I've done on the new one is match the saddle height to my racing bike, haven't even looked at reach and I've got a stupid amount of spacers (30mm) under the stem - it's rather comfy! But this is probably at the expense of aeroness.


 
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Cheers Nath.
There's more to it than raw height though. Everyone has different proportions of legs/torso and I'm also a lot broader and fatter. I did try and just copy my position across from my other two bikes, albeit with the longer stem but may get better results starting from scratch.


 
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Thanks JD. Definitely agree- I always think when I look through the photos grow much room some people seem to have in comparison.


 
Posted : 19/07/2017 3:36 pm
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No worries CH. I actually think I could move my saddle back a bit, and I've booked another bike fit next week to tweak my position


 
Posted : 19/07/2017 3:39 pm
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Yeah my position is probably not perfect, but it's done me well for that 100 miler.

I'm still due to see my friend up north for a proper fit, when I eventually get up there!

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/do-i-need-a-singlespeed-1 ]P.s. in other news I'm growing a beard and my new best mate is called Francis[/url]


 
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Plenty of fun tonight. Attacked early from first lap and often (five or six times). Huge headwind down the straight. The V50 was a bit slower tonight, but I worked hard, blocked and bridged, dragged the bunch back, and generally had a good time. Was very definitely marked all race.

Our breakaway specialist went with three to go, I bridged to his wheel and we stayed away for a lap, caught on the bell and I attacked again to chase another rider off the front. Caught at Brian's Bends, I hopped onto a known sprinter's wheel and finished in sixth. Nice to take some points for all the work I did.


 
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Very nice!!

Are they the first points of the season? How many to go until 2nd cat?


 
Posted : 20/07/2017 6:33 am
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Well done mate! That sounds like so much fun! Glad you got a result for your efforts ๐Ÿ™‚


 
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Half way to second cat. I was marked out of the previous race completely, despite spending the first half basically trying to rip it apart. This time I didn't work quite as hard, but was never far from the front. Having rested since Sunday probably helped too.

It's nice to be told that there was a groan from the bunch when I attacked on the first lap (again) ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 20/07/2017 9:06 am
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Ah you're bringing back memories of my first race haha

I'm going to try and be as cocky as that race in the next races I do. 2nd cat is next years target now.


 
Posted : 20/07/2017 9:55 am
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Just sign up for next Tuesday's E123 and be done. Enjoy the thrill and hang on at the back. That's my strategy. It's a roller-coaster, I tell you. Finishing in the bunch is a win! I don't think I've ever finished higher than 15th. But to be honest, it beats a Zwift race hands down.


 
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There's no way I could get there in time.

Earliest I seem to get away is 6pm. This gives me just over 1 hour to get from Piccadilly to Hillingdon, with a bike swap in Ealing along the way (I won't commute on the racing bike).


 
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Well, 17th it was out of 42 survivors and 3rd 4th Cat rider but that shouldn't legitimately have been any better than about 25th I think.

I didn't mention it in my write up as it would have sounded like an excuse but I've got quite bad knee pain from twisting it at work. It doesn't actually hurt whilst riding but I'm not sure what to do. I had planned some sweet spot work tomorrow evening but I wonder if easy spins might be better until it recovers.

Tried my new position out this evening and it felt better- although my arms took some persuading that it was a good idea!

Two weeks of trying to increase volume as part of my new plan has left me realising that it isn't the right time. I feel flat, tired, achy and starving hungry despite not losing any weight.
I think I'll stick to what I'd been doing for the previous 6 weeks- a race; one other day of intensity and just enough recovery/endurance rides to hit my 100mile Strava goal.
Then as and when work settles down, I can add volume back in again.


 
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If you want to restart the weight loss I think you need to do something radical with your diet, I'm not sure what though...

For instance my missus (who isn't into fad diets) has been reading a load of nutritional information and over the last two weeks has moved to a 50% fat diet (natural). She's lost 3kg in that time and has said she's never felt so energetic as she does now. Unfortunately that diet wouldn't work for us but it's just an example. ๐Ÿ˜†

And regarding the knee a couple of reasons it may not hurt on the bike; it's not weight bearing exercise, but the most likely is you're subconsciously compensating for it. Rest it ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 20/07/2017 9:36 pm
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I'm not too worried about the weight, my arms have doubled in size the past six weeks ๐Ÿ˜†
I don't want to run too tight a calorie deficit right now as having enough energy to get everything done is more important.
I just need to let myself off the hook and realise that work pays the bills so restarting the plan can wait.

I'm quite tempted by the four week FTP booster plan on Zwift. I could swap out the Saturday workouts for the August races. The blurb says 10-15% increase which if true, would see me at 4.0w/kg with no weight loss required!


 
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Ladies & gents, I am please to announce:

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I've rounded my weight up to 68kg as I'm probably a little dehydrated from last nights shandies in town, and probably a little hungover/suffering from lack of sleep...and want to throw up...


 
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Nice work!
Now go do it in a race!


 
Posted : 22/07/2017 12:32 pm
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Well done Nath! Watched the last two minutes and your Avatar was doing 33mph solo ๐Ÿ˜†

It's all coming together! Can't wait to see the results unfold live in August!


 
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Well done Nath!
Disappointed I had to do my own maths though....!


 
Posted : 22/07/2017 12:51 pm
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Thruxton Tuesday Leigh?


 
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I've booked a couple hours between night shifts (yuck!) But yes please...it MUST be sunny this time...!


 
Posted : 22/07/2017 12:56 pm
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That's jinxed it ๐Ÿ˜†

I'm going to play the game this week and go for points. I'm sitting in until half way up the hill on the last lap ๐Ÿ˜€


 
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I keep thinking 'maybe' for Tues, Mrs Weeksy is away with our boy from Monday evening.

One minor issues are
1. I'm at bike park Wales with my lad Monday afternoon.
2. I think it may be a waste of money I don't have as I get dropped on lap1.


 
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Thanks guys!

Weeksy go for it ๐Ÿ™‚


 
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Weeksy- as long as you don't wipe yourself out, Monday won't harm Tuesday.

As for the second point, it baffles me ๐Ÿ˜€
There's three ways you are going to finish a race with the bunch:
a) Get fit enough to ride most of the race at 25mph solo- position won't matter then ๐Ÿ˜†
b) Spend a couple of hours a week sat on someone's wheel. If you can do this at 18-20mph on the road with drains, potholes, cars and everything else's to think about then holding the Thruxton draft will be easy!
c) Just pin on your number and try!!!

The only minor problem will be the hill but you can use gravity both ways. Make sure you move up on the downhill (without red lining of course) and give yourself slipping room. Your ftp is 301 now so 3 minutes at 350w each lap should be a doddle.


 
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Pretty much what @CH said, if you've got a 300W ftp you can sit on a bunch round a fairly flat course all day long. Once you get a nice solid block of 10 riders in front of you, you just get sucked along for hardly any effort.


 
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Nathb - good ftp score, i have no idea how you do that without spitting out your lungs. My ftp test yesterday (310) was a fairly grim experience of slow torture, so much harder than a race.
I wish i lived near you guys as that racing sounds really fun and all your write ups are great to read, keep up the good work.


 
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Top secret tip: crap music really loud.

Distracts from the leg pain and you know if you work harder it'll be over sooner (that's what I have trained myself to believe haha).

What weight are you blader?


 
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I'm pretty sure music is proven to lower RPE. I've even got an attack-track for Zwift ๐Ÿ˜†


 
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I never listen to music when on the turbo, i normally have head down listening to the rythym of my pedalling so i can sense when my cadence changes. I think i will start listening to some nirvana to see if that helps.
Nathb, still not weighed myself in 6 years but i would guess i am 80kg or so.


 
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Top job Nath. Very impressive.


 
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Today's very un crosshair like report, round 9 orrl around great Milton. Felt rubbish until just before the race, then felt most confident in a RR so far (recent crits maybe?) In the pack until shortly before the start of the 3rd lap of 4, in the group most of the way up the smallish hill, then a small group of us off the back slightly and a moment later the leaders had disappeared from view. After a couple of minutes of no progress I sacked it off as we went past hq. Couldn't be doing with lonely laps today!
Need a thruxton to cheer me up now!
Mate is looking for some cat4 only RRs too...might be slightly less brutal.


 
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Cheers matts!

Sounds tough Leigh!


 
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Good effort Leigh! It still sounds really tough, like you need to concentrate so hard to attack the best position all the time- and all dependant on the road layout to have room to do so! Still not selling it to me ๐Ÿ™‚

I'm looking forward to Tuesday. I *think* I know what I need to do. I need to be in the top five by the Base of the hill but not even try and move up until 3 to go. Then try and surf wheels until past the chicane and then sprint!!!
The only break I would chase would be one of ten ๐Ÿ˜†

I've got a busy day on my feet tomorrow but am going to aim to make Tuesday morning as easy as possible.


 
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So you going to use my tactics on Tuesday then, is that what you're saying? ๐Ÿ˜†


 
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Looks that way ๐Ÿ™‚ Not saying it's going to work mind you but I think I have the ingredients I need to pull it off now ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
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May have just put myself back a few weeks ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

Sprinting from the lights this happened:

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Result is I cracked my kneecap on the stem, struggling to move it right now and need to A) buy a new chain to get home B) cycle home...


 
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