[Closed] So Enve rims....

thestabiliser - you forgot to add in the 72.351% of statistics which are made up on the spot. That gives you a total of 183.832%. Roughly.

Oh, and all those quoting cost of raw materials, presumably none of you have ever bought an app or downloaded music from itunes? Or do you think those electrons are really expensive.

Mmmm, i'll factor it in.

the point being all this talk of marginal gains and optmized performance is 99% bollokth and the only reason to spend thousands on bikes is cos you want to, trying to justify it in terms of the performance that is absolutley 'critical' to 40in waisted biffers circling carparks is nonsense. Just admit it you want it cos it's shiny. And if you're daft enough to pay for it someone will happily sell it to you. If you can't afford it just be happy that someone can sell you something just as good (as far as you'll ever be able to tell) for a fraction of the price. As long as you're not selling your or anyone elses kidneys to fund it it's fair game.

That said even if i had the money I wouldn't buy them, cos i'm tight.

40in waisted biffers circling carparks

Like fat, wingless vultures. Sort of.

chief9000 - Member

Plus the quid for tooling

You think the tooling for a carbon frame costs a quid? Can I hire you to do some machining for me at this rate?

The second one might well cost only a few quid to make but the first one costs a fortune.

aracer - The change in stiffness is very small, not zero. You also seemed to miss the bit about Pythagoras at school, not sure what you're formula are, show your working.

The "vertically compliant by laterally stiff" thing is the butt of many jokes in the bicycle industry, but that's pretty much what a double-diamond frame is.

I'm out.

Northwind I thought that to start with, but then I re-read his post and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he meant 'quid' as in 'cash'

If not, then I'm second in the queue for his machining skills

Northwind I thought that to start with, but then I re-read his post and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he meant 'quid' as in 'cash'

i just read it as out and out sarcasm

Yep, could be that as well I guess compo! 😀

40in waisted biffers circling carparks

Like fat, wingless vultures. Sort of.

40in waisted biffers circling carparks

You see, descends into insult throwing again. Why be rude? Why be so insulting? Is your cock that small?

Besides the inference the having a 40" waist in some way relegates you to being a 'biffer', whatever that is but I pressume it means someone who is slow and unfit, has been show as not neccessarily true. You can be fit and fat. I should know. 😀

The change in stiffness is very small, not zero.

Wrong.

You also seemed to miss the bit about Pythagoras at school, not sure what you're formula are, show your working.

Pythagoras has nothing to do with it - maybe you'd like to explain why you think it does? I gave the radial and lateral components of the spoke's length - I thought that was fairly straightforward and obvious. Also whilst it's not normally the done thing to claim to be an engineer on here, in the circumstances it seems reasonable to point out I've studied forces, structures and materials at university (oh and I've also read Jobst Brandt's wheel book - have you?)

The "vertically compliant by laterally stiff" thing is the butt of many jokes in the bicycle industry, but that's pretty much what a double-diamond frame is.

😆 you don't get the joke do you?

Northwind,
Do I think tooling for a carbon bike is a quid? Well I never said that. Since I was talking about the cost of one part. I thought it would be obvious that the quid for tooling would be the proportion of the total cost of tooling amortised to that part. I thought it would be obvious that tooling did not cost a quid in total. I mean come on man get with the programme....

Also whilst it's not normally the done thing to claim to be an engineer

Armchairs at the ready

I'm genuinely impressed that this thread has devolved into two separate rows, both of which are quite unpleasant.

Can't the wheel tension arguers meet up face-to-face for some kind of maths "burn" to settle things?

I'm genuinely impressed that this thread has devolved into two separate rows, both of which are quite unpleasant.

Can't the wheel tension arguers meet up face-to-face for some kind of maths "burn" to settle things?

ive said this quite a bit recently ,it wouldnt matter if you designed the product theres always someone who will know more than you about your own product

well if i designed a product i'd expect there to be quite a few people in the world who'd be able to tell me something i don't know about it. is that what you mean? 😀

chief9000 - Member

Do I think tooling for a carbon bike is a quid? Well I never said that.

Well, you did. But, OK, taking your point, how many of these bikes do you think they sell?

Northwind,
I think I have made my point clear. If I was talking about material cost and labour for one item why would I then talk about total tooling cost rather than the proportion allocated to one item. Do you really think that someone would think a "complete tool" (haha) would cost a quid??? I think you misinterpreted a little but Im sorry for not making it compltely clear for you.

not good enough for rampage......

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/2013-Red-Bull-Rampage-BIKES.html

Blimey, vanderham on flows.

chief9000 - Member

If I was talking about material cost and labour for one item why would I then talk about total tooling cost rather than the proportion allocated to one item.

OK then, do you actually believe that the tooling of a carbon frame distributed across every one sold is a quid?

OK then, do you actually believe that the tooling of a carbon frame distributed across every one sold is a quid?

Only an imbecile would think that.

Part of the price of Enve rims, up to now any way, is attributable to the lack of alternatives. When viable alternatives start to become available the price will come down.

OK then, do you actually believe that the tooling of a carbon frame distributed across every one sold is a quid?

there is often two sets of tooling for each frame size in the top wack frames also so that should be 2 quid

Blimey, vanderham on flows.

Is it coz he's on 650bs he was 3rd on em last yr

Are there many dh rims in 650b?

Xxxx

Part of the price of Enve rims, up to now any way, is attributable to the lack of alternatives. When viable alternatives start to become available the price will come down.

Nah - stems up 15% on last year, what's the factor?

thisisnotaspoon - Member

Bingelli, not Vanderman.

Ah, so it is