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There seems to have been some backtracking / clarification behind the scenes as this is how the BBC is reporting what was said.
"National Clinical Director Prof Jason Leitch said people should only travel for vital reasons such as buying groceries, healthcare, caring responsibilities or necessary work.
He also emphasised the importance of remaining active by working out indoors, walking, running or cycling close to home for up to an hour."
the reporting may have changed but what he said was....
https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1248582781833265152
That has vanished now and apparently been replaced with a rather silly video of Jason Leitch saying that people are allowed to buy easter eggs, and the reporting is this
Get out, stretch you legs, get your heart and lungs working, briefly clear your mind of all the crap going on… but keep it to a minimum. Short rides close to home. It isn’t hard.
But I do this on a mountain bike. 🤔
I understand perfectly what he's trying to get across but I think he should have left specific ways of exercising out of it and just hammered the stay at home message.
Meh, I'll carry on heading out on the local empty fire roads. It's not like I meet anyone anyway 😂
The problem we have is that individuals in positions of authority seem to be making it up as they go along and are giving their own interpretations of what the regs mean. (added to this being aimed at the Easter crowds.)
specific ways of exercising out of it and just hammered the stay at home message
Unless the stay at home message isn’t working with certain groups.
I’ve just been out for 45 mins. Loved it. A drive to meet friends and ride all day on new trails or revisit somewhere I’ve not ridden for a while is what I’d really like to do, but hey. Stay at home. Ride local. Keep it short.
[edit: and an after ride pint in a beer garden, raving about the riding … god I miss that … we’ll meet again]
Scot Gov website does not quote him singling out MTB
https://www.gov.scot/news/public-urged-to-stay-at-home/
people should find ways to stay mentally and physically active by walking, running or cycling outdoors once a day for up to an hour close to home or by exercising indoors.
Please exercise at home and, if you are going out for a daily walk, run or cycle, stay at least two metres away from people you don’t live with.
“Do not be tempted to go for a drive for leisure. This is about going for a short walk locally, a run or a short bike ride, not spending time on your favourite sport or hobby.
“If you travel further afield, there is a risk you might come into contact with other people, whether you plan to or not, so please keep this to an absolute minimum. Only use your car to get somewhere if it is unavoidable and please remember that even in these circumstances journeys must be kept short.”
I wil not go near a Mountain.
Still doesn't make any sense.
Cycling is OK if your favourite hobby is running,knitting or playing X Box.
Running is OK if your favourite hobby is cycling but not if it's running.
Use your bike to get out and get some exercise. Don’t spend the day sending it in the woods, or traversing the countryside ticking off tourist landmarks. Both are ace. Both are more than nipping out local for some short exercise.
I makes perfect sense to 90% of people.
I hope he doesn't pop round our house, my son spent today backflipping a football into the wheelie bin.
Still doesn’t make any sense.
Cycling is OK if your favourite hobby is running,knitting or playing X Box.
Running is OK if your favourite hobby is cycling but not if it’s running.
Well it won't if you keep making "facts" up.
That's not even close to what was said.
Fwiw the main message I took from the guidance was don't go into farmland. Let the farmers , let those that are providing our food do their job without increased risk.
But that won't keep the land access heroes happy.
While we are very lucky to have the access we have. In situations such as the moment there has to be give and take.
He can go take a flying **** to himself.
Tbh most folks definition of MTB . They will be ok to carry on as normal
Use your bike to get out and get some exercise. Don’t spend the day sending it in the woods, or traversing the countryside ticking off tourist landmarks. Both are ace. Both are more than nipping out local for some short exercise.
This - although I would remove the "short"
Fwiw the main message I took from the guidance was don’t go into farmland. Let the farmers , let those that are providing our food do their job without increased risk.
But that won’t keep the land access heroes happy.
While we are very lucky to have the access we have. In situations such as the moment there has to be give and take.
Again I would agree. Give and take and being reasonable being the key. Landowners cannot attempt to remove all access, those exercising their access rights must accept some limitations voluntarily.
If it crosses farm land it's fair game for stopping people
One thing about the general public is they don't know he word reasonable
Living on the Sarf coast, we don't have mountains, Downs but not mountains. So I'll keep going out till they ban it (and then the fun begins with nocturnal sneakiness)
Living on the Sarf coast, we don’t have mountains, Downs but not mountains. So I’ll keep going out till they ban it (and then the fun begins with nocturnal sneakiness)
If a proper complete lockdown has to happen, because some people just have to go out for big rides on the downs (which border some of the most effected areas in the UK) and then some of those same people use the cover of night to risk spreading the virus when asked not to, I don’t think we’ll be cheering them on as rebellious heroes, far from it.
Can I use the word “dick”?
Trailrat - depends rather on the type of farmland 😉 opening gates into fields with gravid ewes - probably irresponsible. Other types of land less so. The scottish government guidance attempts to strike a balance
Can I use the word “dick”?
Feel free to. Can I add ****, ****wit and arsehole to that as well?
Purity spiral vs dick expansion
If it involves putting your hand on anything it places the farmers at greater risk than if you just didn't go there.
I live between 3 farms. The number of people who I've never seen up here before who are clambering over locked gates (there's no right of way) is astonishing.
Mostly all trying to get out of the city much like your self . No sense of awareness for the risk they are putting (certainly in my case -the high risk group ) farmer at.
Even ive avoided going near the farm workings and just letting them get on with their work.
We have also had these self same people coming up and feeding the farm animals unsuitable food as if they were exhibits at the zoo. - we had a pony choking on a potato the other night. They were warned to not stop it( the field backs onto my house) they threw it into the field it seems.
That's why I am behind the keep folk off farm land at this time. A m
Vast majority had no interest before and show no interest in learning the countryside code , they just feel it's their right to ramble where ever they like. I imagine these to be the same people who think passing places are valid places to stop for the night in their camper van or to do 25mph on their e bike via throttle.
Its certainly a more valid point than moaning about car windows being open for sure - even if the point doesn't fit our own agenda.
ha ha ha ha ha barrel, fish, shooting
So just trolling? Fine.
So just trolling? Fine.
Of course, maybe..........😁😁😁😁😁😁
Please stop feeding me.
someone writing 'stay at home' in blockcaps ( bold optional ) in 3,2,1...
FFS do we have to have this thread again!?
FFS do we have to have this thread again!?
Apparently so, with the same few evangelists dribbling on 🙂
Jesus.
I'm working on nights on ITU, I'm so happy to read these kinds of arguments and the way that people manage to justify why the sensible rules don't apply to them.
Please, just behave. It's not forever.
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Meanwhile my strava feed is choc full of people I know well kicking out 150km days and getting 30 - 40 kudos with no negative comments.
Ah well I did the Pretzel today with the garage door open but maybe I'm the idiot. Are these guys really the problem or is it the hundreds of underground parties that are undoubtedly happening .....
Meanwhile, on UndergroundPartyTrackWorld........
Totally doing 60 minute rides here.
Any additional travel on deserted country roads will kill!
I think everyone on this website needs their account blocked until they sign a form saying they’ve read the works of Epictetus.
From a thread I’ve just posted but completely relevant here ;
So two nights ago I thought I’d do my usual alotted 1 hour of exercise by having a leisurely hour out on my road bike. However two evenings ago on said ride, I was putting down some power to accelerate up a small hill when my cassette decided to disintegrate. Result was me over the bars , unconscious with road rash from hell and a helmet smashed into 3 pieces. Fortunately Someone saw it from their window and called an ambulance.
Long story short - ambulance came and as awesome as ever, they checked my vital signs which were all good and we decided it was safer for me to go home than to hospital at this time!
I now feel like a complete idiot for taking up their valuable time at the moment.
If you have Zwift , then for now please use it, as unexpected accidents do happen!
Did I tell you the story of how I tripped over the dog and fell down the stairs?
But which story actually happened?
If you have Zwift , then for now please use it, as unexpected accidents do happen!
What if your cassette doesn’t realise you’re indoors and that it’s apparently only allowed to disintegrate outdoors, and you end up smashing your nuts into the stem, rupturing an artery, falling sideways onto the sideboard and fracturing your skull because you weren’t wearing a helmet because accidents can’t happen in the home, then the blood leaks into the extension sockets you were using to power your laptop, electrocuting you and setting fire to your carpet.
Now you’ve got burns, a fractured skull and a perineum like Friday The 13th, with no passers-by to call for help, and all because you didn’t do the sensible thing and go for a gentle pootle outside.
Or you could just irrationally despise yourself for some exceptionally bad luck and imply that everyone else would be an idiot not to confine their one-in-a-million mechanical hiccups to the confines of their own home.
Yet again a statement made without being specificly clear on meaning.
As stated could be seen as not traveling to a trail center etc, like the two blokes that were stopped while driving 80 miles to the lakes with a canoe on the room, and certainly could refer to the actual remoteness and injury risk and then additional burden on the NHS.
On the whole most folk and im sure all here are simply riding from there own homes weather that be commuting on there bike and taking the long way home through the woods as i did before all this kicked off. Or just the local woods byways etc.
The time limit of an hour is a suggestion not the law, but a 6 hour ride could be looked upon as a bit naughty.
Then again the comment could be about this ...
New Zealand health minister caught mountain biking during lockdown
And painting us with the same brush...
From ROSPA website:
In the UK every year, almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help.
Bloody hell you lot, calm it down a bit...
Ride your bike from home, don't shred the gnarr or whatever, don't be a dick, apply common sense and be nice to your fellow human...
Anyway we've gone camping tonight....
In the back garden before I set off another round of high horse heroics:-)
Bez - well normally you wouldn’t expect to leave A&E after a bike crash accident with a virus that could kill your nearest and dearest would you ?
Well if you haven’t seen the news recently, let me tell you that you can now.
That was my point FFS
Normally on a bike ride I would not expect to visit A&E. I never have after a bike ride in 50 years of cycling most days.
I have however visited A&E after DIY several times
I can be in the local woods (mellow singletrack and forest roads - we don't do hills or rocks round here) in 5 minutes ride from my door.
So, I could continue to ride as I normally do (and see maybe a maximum of 2 other people the whole ride at the moment in easily 'socially distanceable' cirumstances). This is definitely my allowed exercise (I wear a HRM! (tongue firmly in cheek for the hard of understanding)), but is also my hobby and is recreational too.
I could however, drag my (in this context unsuitable) bike round the local country roads for an hour instead for my exercise. That definitely would not be recreational or my hobby, but would probably put me in contact with more other people (just riding out of our village) than spinning round the woods.
Until the actual guidance says different (and I personally do suspect it will soon), I'm going to carry on as I am now. This is not an 'I'm too special to follow the rules' thing, it's applying a bit of common sense to the situation and taking my own context into account. If and when things are locked down further, I'll happily (well not happily, but you know what I mean) dust off the turbo in the garage and fire up TrainerRoad...