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Is he from Greece? Does he work for a bank? I'm sure this thread is a lesson on the vagaries of the financial markets.
Definitely report it. The more that do so, the more likely a plod will pay him (and/or his dad) a visit. And when someone gets stung again in 3 or 6 months time, he'll have previous. Maybe he already has previous and is flogging off his PS2 games and bike bits while in a panic, hoping to fend off another trip down the station?
Thanks for all the input. It looks like some money is starting to be repaid and as I said eariler I want to make sure everyone gets their money back before the police make matters complicated and risk losing someones cash. I have strongly considered the police and will probably that it further in due course however I am only 18 myself and initially thought my word against a 16 year olds is going to be put down as a play ground fight and taken no further. Now I realise I support I have I think we should take this a step further, once everyone has recieved their money.
I realise he may be doing the same on eBay however I only started this thread to get the STW'er money back and keep STW as clean as possible. If he has done the same on other sites I expect the police or another Forum member from that site will do as I have.
serving police officers on here have posted saying it needs to be reported. 5 days into the thread, god knows how long since people were actually ripped off, and still no one has reported it to the police?
Ebay/gumtree frauds are rife and do get investigated, and its not THAT complicated (bare in mind it will sit with a busy response officer not a detective). Munqe Chick referred to an epic one where the offender just kept going as it was too easy and no one reported it- once caught he admitted to HUNDREDS of offences.
If he's some chancing kid who's never been in trouble then sitting in a bare cell and p1ssing into a steel bowl surrounded by shouting and screaming heroin addicts and drunks (and thats just the coppers, badum, tish 🙂 )might just help him re-evaluate his approach....
So often people complain on here about police inaction, now people are quite happy to sit back and wait for someone else to be ripped off so that they can get their money back? 🙄
...before the police make matters complicated and risk losing someones cash...
Never has something more arse about been written.
Where is he getting funds from to refund? Other mugs.
So long as it's not you it's OK? Suck it up and call plod. Otherwise it will go on.
If he came round your house and stole something then offered to return it when he can, you would still sit there and accept it? Mugs.
I wouldn't care if he was 16 or 56, it is fraud, but some people seem to think it's OK if you get your cash back.....eventually.
I'm with them ^ (still) get it reported.
He's ripping other people off now to get you your money. Get it stopped.
Refund received this morning from the atlas bars i purchased but NEVER received, so thanks again Ross for the persistant approach in tracking the guy down 😉
Refund recieved this afternoon for me. Many thanks to you Rosss for your persistence.
This is the message I received.
Hello.
Refund sent.
Please post on STW to let people know I am sticking to my word.
Sorry about the Inconvenience and thank you for being patient as I got the funds together.
WHY ISN'T THIS PARASITE SCUM BEING REPORTED? YOU SHOULD ALL BE REPORTING HIM EN MASSE.
🙁
CALM DOWN!
[b]NO[/b]
It looks like some money is starting to be repaid and as I said eariler I want to make sure everyone gets their money back before the police make matters complicated and risk losing someones cash.
Can't believe you lot are happy to get your refunds off the back of some other mug getting conned.
Your almost (but obviously not quite) as bad as him to be honest, you know what he is doing but your not bothered as long as you get yours back.
Have you any proof that he is still doing it?
(Not saying he isn't, just asking the question)
My view is why would he not?
He's got away with it for so long and suddenly needs large amounts of cash to pay off some golf his victims.
He's a criminal.
If he had the money he would have paid straight away.
If he didn't have the money, why wouldn't he just create another "persona" and get it the easy way.
He has been doing if for months and months, and getting away with it all over the place.
Why would be stop now ?
[b]Hello, Neal, I would just like to ask you where is the proof that I have been doing "It" constantly for months, As you dont have none, if needed I can get my payment history up since we first met and I will happily post it here, within the last three months, I have took 20 payments overall, most going smoothly apart from the ones from this website, Most of them are from the last week, The way you are going on as if I have took payments from every single person in the planet. The problems with pinkbike were sorted, hence the reason I was unbanned, I was mixxed up with another person on the website, I dont have a clue who "Cheeseytoes" or "Harvey" are, however these are apparently me. You have no proof that I was going to take the money from these people, however you feel the need to post on here that I have been doing it for months on end. OK Fair enough the postage was delayed by like 4 days, But since this topic everyone automatically knows my whole life story. You dont know me, Nor do you no what I have done, So please stay out of this post as it only involves people who Have sent me payments, I understand if people want to contact the police, That is their decision, however the only thing I can do at this moment in time is what I am doing, Which is raising the money to pay these people back. And then you once again jump to conclusions that i am taking peoples money on different sites to raise the funds to pay the people back, ONCE AGAIN with no proof.[/b]
Did you advertise goods you didn't have?
Why not just send them out rather than go through all this?
[b]No I did not advertise goods I did not have, They were all on my Bike build that I could have sent you the link to before I got banned of Pinkbike, however the listing has now been deleted.
You may call me stubborn, but the lack of respect and the amount of abuse I received after so little time since the payment, and the amount of people who rushed to the conclusion that I was a "Scammer" from little previous evidence that they have only seen one side to. I did not want to send the item out, I didnt feel the need to prove myself to people who Judge people so quickly from what someone else says, even without evidence. Im trying to get this over with as quickly as possible. If I had the money to refund people straight away I would Honestly.
I have 3 People left to refund and 3 items sold waiting for payment from buyers on eBay.[/b]
I think the lady doth bold her type too much...
Hello, Neal, I would just like to ask you where is the proof that I have been doing "It" constantly for months, As you dont have none
Bollx.
You tried it on me 3 Months ago, sending emails from different addresses and using "other people's" PayPal accounts etc.
Your full of shit and you have been caught out.
At least have the decency not to ****ing whine about it.
lol Neal, ^this^ is ace...your relentless reason has made this thread quite enjoyable...bombers at the ready for this scrote...hope you lot get this sorted...
btw it should be noted that receiving payment that may* have been acquired by theft/scam could be considered as receiving know stolen goods/money, and may also be a chargeable offense...
just an FYI...
I think the rate my brickie thread is better...
[b]I never tried it on you, I refunded you as soon as you enquired? when If I set out to "Scam" then I would not have needed to refund you due to the fact you sent as a Gift.[/b]
Not quite as it happened though was it ? (More Bullshit 🙄 )
I sent it as a standard PayPal payment and added on a bit for "your" fees as I [b]refused to send it as a Gift. [/b]
You said that "your friend" who's PayPal account you were using (for some reason?) wouldn't want it that way, and would only accept PayPal gift.
So I told you to **** off. And sent you an email explaining why.
Do you remember me now. (So you can stop digging even deeper)
It's all here if you are having trouble remembering how it [b] actually happened[/b] rather than your bullshit version.
As I said, MTFU and stop ****ing whining.
What an absolute C@#k, kin man up will you before you get knocked out you Pr1ck. You fraudulently obtained money by deceit end of.
Dare I say, PWNED!!
[b]Yes, We already all know this? the same applied this time, I did not want payments as a service because everyone knows how easy it easy to get them overturned whether the items sent or not. I still dont accept payments as a service?
Nothing of what you have just said proved I am a scammer? Like I said do you have any proof that I have constantly been doing it? No, I didnt think so.
And I already knew who you were before you posted that anyway.
[/b]
Ok lets go through this now your posting on here question by question. Still no explanation as to why all the different names, Why you never replied to emails until I mentioned further action and why you emailed me as Jamie Banks and Danny Madden and Danny Beckford. Why all the account
this is getting good...shall I put a pot on?
you guys know that the police would prob have this sorted if anyone would bother reporting this... 🙄
Nothing of what you have just said proved I am a scammer? Like I said do you have any proof that I have constantly been doing it? No, I didnt think so.
Here's a few bits of advice for you, as you are clearly not that bright.
Stop using multiple different names.
Stop using multiple different email addresses.
Stop using multiple different PayPal accounts.
Stop stealing money of people.
And, and lastly, but maybe most importantly.
[b] Stop talking Shite, [/b]
🙄
you guys know that the police would prob have this sorted if anyone would bother reporting this..
How do you know someone hasn't?
Most people don't bother reporting their whole life here (apart from Moly)
CRIKEY !
I think a link to the current eBay sales he's doing to prove what's happening would help?
Ooh yes please.
Jamie Reading
Norman Pierce
dhroberts on stw
Madden96 on moredirt
Madden-96 on Pinkbike
UK-Harvey1992
cheeseytoes on MLG (major league gaming )
dhjamie on stw
madden96 on stw
normanpiercemtb on Pinkbike
imadden on The Tech Game
Are these definitely the same person?
If so, they all (most) seem designed to appear as 'normal' as possible. Says alot about the intent of the person. Plus you only change username when theres been an issue/the the old one is too 'hot' huh? The worrying part is how many 'other' customers are out there who don't vent on the internet or chalk up to experience?
The IWH experience had alot more victims didn't it across many forums and even ones on here who were abit embarrased to say anything as they'd been taken for a ride/felt daft.
Jesus can't the mods IP ban him? not perfect but this takes the piss.
he's either a scammer or an idiot or both, either way give us suspected aliases so we can avoid.
reason for so many accounts is likely because paypal keeps freezing them. tbf, they do this sometimes even if you're innocent. tbf, i doubt this is innocent.
the mor ehe does to wind people up so they involve the police the better, from my point of view.
he's offered no explanation as to why he couldn;t supply goods he'd advertised for sale or why he uses so many different logins and paypal accounts.
wwaswas - thats how scammer/crooks get away with it. People think awww [i]hes only 16, I'd feel bad[/i]...
I agree hora, although coming back all agressive and using bold a lot does tend to support the '16 year old out of his depth' theory.
People are too willing to put it down to experience.
"People are too willing to put it down to experience"
I am guilty of this.
Lesson well and truly learned
I was very surprised to get a refund this morning along with an e-mail asking to put a good word in for him on the forum.
No chance - my advice is avoid him.
To me returning the money is an admission that he never had the items. I don't buy his arguement that everyone was too impatient and accused too early. I waited a resonable time without any contact after payment (about 5 days) then sent an e-mail enquiring when it was expected to arrive, which received no reply. Then found this thread.
One of the worst things about this episode is that the guy actually appears to ride yet is happy to abuse the forums to steal from fellow bikers.
[i]To me returning the money is an admission that he never had the items[/i]
this.
and he doesn't seem to be arguing the point?