[Closed] Santa Cruz Bronson. Looks great think I'll buy one......whoa!!!!£££

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It's about the going rate for any Santa Cruz I think.

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I saw these a week or so ago. Really nice bike. Specked so you dont have to change a thing lovely looking thing. I really dont want this thread to turn into a wheel size thread but the wheels would put me off. I dont know why really its just my 26" wheels work and i have no reason to change them, but saying that i also have no real reason not to change them. hummmmmm

Possibly the best looking bike I have ever seen. But the price 8-O.

The Santa Cruz bikes builder prices are a bit high at the best of times, carbon frame, wheels and XTR bling, what did you expect? :p

£9000

Could buy a freaking Kwak 636 for that or be half of the way towards a BMW S1000RR HP4. There's no way a bicycle should cost that much.

Kwak 636 - comparable suspension in terms of technology to that 9K build, an engine that makes 20,000 rpm, electronics packages derived from WSBK, a chassis that has been designed, redesigned and tested on tracks to get the correct flex. The list goes on.

The reason that Santa Cruz Bronsons start at 4.5k and ends at 9k is because people are willing to spend that on the name, the 650b wheels and the "oooh it's shiney" carbon factor. These people tend to be roadies who also splurge tens of thousands on ridiculously overpriced Italian road bike frames.

The reason that Santa Cruz starts at 4.5k and ends at 9k is because people are willing to spend that on the name, the 650b wheels and the "oooh it's shiney" carbon factor

. These people tend to be roadies who also splurge tens of thousands on ridiculously overpriced Italian road bike frames.

We've got three on order at the last count, sadly not mine but can't wait to see them in the metal! 8)

Marketing these bikes in such a way that makes them such aspirational products that they are worth splurging 9k on is also a great way of earning money in the current climate.

Because the only people that haven't been hit by the recession are those that can afford to blow that kind of money on something so ridiculous.

The best thing I saw was a review a while back of the new V-10 Carbon that complained it lacked front end feel. Yahhh.....probably something to do with the fact you made the frame, wheels and bars out of carbon....in the name reducing a bit of weight and selling a shiney luxury product.

bwaarp. the carbon puts me off, the 650b puts me off. But it just looks right and i want one. probs will never get one but you have to admit it does just look right. Like that carbon kona dh bike looks right. i dont know why but .....

It does look nice, in a kind of....what if my Mega was made out of carbon way.

In fact, I know someone that could do really nice carbon layups for me. I bet I could get a copy of my Mega prototyped in carbon....with my own custom geometry...for the cost of that build.

Bwaarp is absolutely correct. I won't buy one, don't get me wrong. I haven't got £9k to throw at a bike, but I might if I had it.

If I had that kind of money I'd go the whole hog...spend even more and be having several different frame prototypes made with different geometry and different levels of stiffness....then I'd chuck the ones I didn't like away or give them to you guys.

If you squint a bit, that looks like a Specialized Camber. You don't need to squint much, mind, just enough so you can see the rear end hasn't got a Horst Link.....

Saw someone riding the lime green one in whistler the other day. Looks amazing in the flesh. If I had a spare $10k I'd definitely buy one. Unfortunately I have $300 cad in the bank, so a tad out of my league.

If it was a 26er, I'd probably have got a bronson frame. It's sufficiently different to my LTc to justify an upgrade (in my mind)
Can't swallow new forks and wheels though.
Want is a strange thing isn't it? My LTc is utterly fantastic but I want a bronson. My SXs are brilliant but I want ENVE rims. I cannot justify either in terms of skill of cost, but I still want.

$10k

Yes but in the USA/Canada Santa Cruz's are significantly cheaper...a frame that costs 2000 dollars there usually cost 2000 sterling here, they have a lower cost of living and they earn the same kinds of wages.

They still aren't sanely priced but the prices are not totally bat shit insane like here.

Want is a strange thing isn't it? My LTc is utterly fantastic but I want a bronson. My SXs are brilliant but I want ENVE rims. I cannot justify either in terms of skill of cost, but I still want.

If you want to spend lots on rims don't go with ENVE, the new Syntaces are where it's at. 900 quid will buy you wheels that are as light as ENVE's, wider, nearly as stiff, made out of aluminium and they'll come with a good warranty and crash replacement policy.

Considering some of the guys at mtbnews.de can't tell the difference in stiffness...the stupidly huge width of them will also actually benefit you at your level of riding as opposed to the benefits the ENVE's will give you. You'll be able to run really really low tyre pressures without worrying about tyre roll, without worrying about cracking the rims (you can bend dents out of aluminium) and you'll get decreased rolling resistance to boot.

P.S This was all "IMO".

If you want to spend lots on rims don't go with ENVE, the new Syntaces are where it's at. 900 quid will buy your wheels that are as light as ENVE's, wider, made out of aluminium and come with a good warranty and crash replacement policy.

Edit: I wrote this before you added some extra to you last post!

^^^^hes right you know. I've seen ENVE rim stickers on ebay though, so will have a look at the syntaces 😆
More seriously, are you talking about the MX jobs?

Too rich for me, I'm only dicking about in the woods after all and that bike looks a bit [i]serious[/i]

And what would those be? Extortionate replacement costs? Enve's crash replacement policy means you're still paying 350 per rim.

More seriously, are you talking about the MX jobs?

Yup, specifically the 35mm or 40mm wide models. Long wait times though, I had to really search to find some 40mm models by using google.de....and I bottled the buy as I don't think I can afford it until the summer.

The 40mm rims are going to make my previous Flows seem horribly skinny

hes right you know. I've seen ENVE rim stickers on ebay though, so will have a look at the syntaces

Hah, it's reverse snobbery with the syntaces though...Enve's are for show as alluded to, Syntaces are for people that are actually discerning. 😛

Bling is bad, subtly awesome is the best - buy parts because they are actually going to make a difference to ride characteristics you can feel....people who buy for the name are to be looked down upon like the nouveau riche tasteless scum they probably are. People will expect you to ride like Steve Peat if they see you rocking ENVE's....do you want to have to live up to that image?

£9000? Wow. Why?

Most i've spent on a bike was £800.

I aspire to be nouveau riche. 😀
I don't have enough money or class (!) for that particular tag. I'm rough as assholes, me.

Squaddies hey! Nothing wrong with being rough!

Nouveau riche have no class though. Class is not something you can just buy 😛 You can be working class and have some class/taste.

I thought it was an April Fools when the story came out.

Is it possible to be in class deficit?
Before you answer, think of the sweariest person you know. I'm swearier. Once accidentally forgot myself and dropped the c bomb in front of the MIL.....

only problem with owning that bike is you would have to be a good rider too because having a bike that good and just being average wouldnt work ! people would laugh at you on your club rides 🙂

Average looks, nasty orange bits on it, daft sized wheels, dinky top tube and silly price

I'm out....

Before you answer, think of the sweariest person you know. I'm swearier. Once accidentally forgot myself and dropped the c bomb in front of the MIL.....

I think class forgives swearing at MIL's. We all know how testing they can be.

I would still climb a hill at the same speed on it....slowly! WAAAAAY too much £££ i'll stick with the enduro

bars look a bit narrow

& how many bottle cages?

£9k?.... in the world of road bikes, you are just about getting going... lol

price up a baum correto with campag super record eps, lightweight ventoux wheels, and suitably pimp cockpit components and then see how expensive a pushbike can be!

I think it looks shit

the frame alone is £2600 rrp

So are there really £6400 worth of parts on the full build?

Would it be cheaper to buy frame and build yourself?

If I was going to spunk £9,000 on something that looks fugly, garish, and straight out of the '80s, I'd get a Pontiac Trans Am. 😆

price up a baum correto with campag super record eps, lightweight ventoux wheels, and suitably pimp cockpit components and then see how expensive a pushbike can be!

But it wouldn't be UCI legal, oh the hilarity.

That's the problem though, there are plenty of roadies willing to splurge insane money on Italian roadbikes and they are coming over to MTB like a plague of diseased bubonic rats.

Our sport should implement some minimum weights like roadcycling for downhill and XC bikes as well as regulations governing certain standards such as 20mm or 15mm axles, headtubes etc to try to keep the sport from developing spiralling costs - through changing standards that make **** all difference everywhere other year.

135mm, 142mm, 150mm rear hubs, QR, 10mm bolt throughs, 12mm bolt throughs, 1 1/8th straight, 1 1/2 straight, 1 1/2 tapered, 1 1/4 tapered, 650b, 35mm bars (which are too stiff)....it's all getting a bit silly

That's the problem though, there are plenty of roadies willing to splurge insane money on Italian roadbikes and they are coming over to MTB like a plague of diseased bubonic rats.

really?

there are lots of people other than roadies that want to get dirty that will splurge that much

the £8k full Enve, XX1 build is **** all to some people,

don't hate them

the full £8k is A LOT to some people, yet they still buy

don't hate them

I don't hate them, I just question their rationality.

It looks shit +1

Plenty of bikes could be specced to that price, in the end of the day with that kit an on one would be up there.

Also us prices = No Sales Tax
UK Prices = Import Duty (14%) and VAT 20%

Their Ali frame prices for VPP compare with Orange fairly well

Which makes a UK built Orange a rip off?

Or as Orange apologists prefer market-forces.

Lol so much shite being spouted in this thread. People buying expensive MTBs is nothing to do with roadies crossing-over. Some people have shit loads of disposable income, get over it and get over yourself. £9k to some people is like £900 to others, if they chose to spend that on something they enjoy then good luck to them. And no I'm not in the category that can afford a £9k bike, and even if I were I wouldn't pay that for a SC which are always stupidly over-priced for what you get.

Your missing the point though. Its a bicycle. Theres only so many ways you can market a bicycle. Its not 'customers' who will buy (market forces etc is a different argument) its the fact that a bicycle (see Roxshock/Sram latest dribble on Pike) can be polished up in many ways to sell at an even higher price.

I can really see in the future (within 10yrs) bike parts will get the same spiel/treatment that old Astons etc had 'made by hand by highly skilled' (but additional part) Pervian-Swiss trained technicians at altitude to ensure the modula-flex material 5000.v2v1v3.2 is 100% pure for the ultimate ride.

Exactly. I deal with a couple of high end shops that do regular weekly £8k+ MTB builds because their customer base is very wealthy.

Just because you can't afford it/justify it, doesn't mean there arn't plenty of other people out there who can.

As others have said, the SC business model is a perception of very high end bikes, they are never going to be 'cheap'. Other brands are available...

It looks shit +2. Wouldn't be seen dead.

As others have said, the SC business model is a perception of very high end bikes, they are never going to be 'cheap'. Other brands are available..

This is what I am struggling with. I've owned many SC frames going back years. They are in the crowd. Paint was abit shit but they were ok. However they've never been 'WOW'. Theres nothing trick or out there tech.

We can all afford one- haven't you heard of the term ghetto fabulous? Loads of blokes rock around on Kashima-forked Fox40's and live with their mum, digs or in rented property.

The issue is what if you get bored of say a carbon SC frame etc? No one will spank up 1k+ for a secondhand carbon frame.

Plenty of bikes could be specced to that price, in the end of the day with that kit an on one would be up there.
Also us prices = No Sales Tax
UK Prices = Import Duty (14%) and VAT 20%
Their Ali frame prices for VPP compare with Orange fairly well

Exactamundo.

If you spec full XTR, Enve Carbon Wheels etc; basically the best of everything, it's going to cost £6K plus the frame price. Nothing to do with wheel size or the brand name.

US imported frames are expensive in the UK due to import duties and taxes, Santa Cruz are one of many brands in this position. Blame the UK government for this.

If there are people out there who'll buy the top spec models then companies will make them, it's basic business sense.

If someone posted a photo of the latest top spec Porsche it would be no different; most of us can appreciate it but never afford it.

If you spec full XTR, Enve Carbon Wheels etc; basically the best of everything, it's going to cost £6K plus the frame price. Nothing to do with wheel size or the brand name.

But your not paying RRP though are you to spec these. Your paying an agreed trade price unless of course you also distribute some of these products yourself.

If you spec full XTR, Enve Carbon Wheels etc; basically the best of everything, it's going to cost £6K plus the frame price. Nothing to do with wheel size or the brand name.

But your not paying RRP though are you.

No, you're paying RRP plus import duty (this is 15% of the total of the RRP [u]and[/u] the shipping costs). The UK VAT is then added (20% of this total). That's a lot of tax on all the US and Japanese parts on a bike of this spec.

You'd be better off buying frame only and then speccing the build yourself which I suspect is what most of us do.

? Are you saying the distributor goes online and buys all the bits and puts them together. The price THEY get is at trade on everything. If its the full bike that comes over it'll be a trade/distributor price.

I'm really not sure why people spend so much on bikes.

I bought a road bike at the end of last year in the sale. It weighs 14lbs, cannondale will be using the exact same frame and newer version of the same groupset in the TDF this year. It lost less than £3k. I could put some cosmics on it for a true pro build in every way and it would still come in at ~£4k.

Anything over £4k for a bike? Not even with the money available to do it.

Theres talk of rich people- £9,000 is like £900 to them.

Are we talking about lottery winners and footballers?

Cos everyone else is very focused on money. Part of the reason why they get 'rich'.

Alot of high end cars are leased and the industry is rife with high end cars being 'wound back' on mileage annually to retain their value.

we all love cycling - right?

we all appreciate the benefit of 'trickle down effect' from high end componentry - right?

we want the industry to survive - right?

so, why berate those who want to spend larger than usual amounts of money on the sport (and we) love?

if nobody bought XX1 because it was so expensive, what would be the chances of Sram taking a punt on developing the technology to offer lower priced 1x11 for the masses?

if Enve et al, didn't take a punt on producing uber-expensive carbon hoops, would we now be seeing the £600 Superstar carbon hoops?

if i had pots of money, i would spend pots of money on my bikes... simple as...

and as for the comment regarding the Baum Correto as being non UCI-compliant, not everyone races road bikes. Many get an immense amount of enjoyment out of building something truly unique and chasing those extra grams out of the build. besides which, the UCI limits are usually only breached when someone builds a bike where all aspects dip into the realm of 'weight weenies'. if you pick and choose which bits you want (such as a light frame, or light wheels), but leave other aspects 'stock', you should nestle around 6.4kgs (or whatever it is right now), quite easily.

let's just lay off expensive bikes... they pump cash into the industry which is good for all of us.

The distributors do not pay US RRP for the bikes/frames. They just don't.
Take the US price, deduct 40-odd% from the [b]US[/b] RRP price. That's what the distributors cost is. Then add the tax. The rest is all gravy.

Who wants carbon hoops for mountain biking? Have you seen how dinged and scratched my rims get?!!!!

I liked santa cruz bikes, I had a blur about ten years ago, great bike.

But the last full sus I bought was £1600. It does everything that that particular santa cruz does, except one thing. It doesn't make me look like a prick.

I can live with that disapointment.

If I had the money to spend on a bike at the moment..

Lapierre or a SC?

Hmmm. A very quick decision.

The issue is what if you get bored of say a carbon SC frame etc? No one will spank up 1k+ for a secondhand carbon frame.

There are plenty of people who spend £1k+ on a used carbon frame. I've sold 2 for well over that, and my current one will also sell for more.

The distributors do not pay US RRP for the bikes/frames. They just don't.
Take the US price, deduct 40-odd% from the US RRP price. That's what the distributors cost is. Then add the tax. The rest is all gravy.

Plus shipping, having the cash to carry high stock levels, spares, advertising, demo bikes, sponsorships, etc. Yeah, definitely a gravy train. In fact Jungle are so wealthy they heat the office with £50 notes 🙂

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Lapierre or a SC?

Hmmm. A very quick decision.

It certainly is.
We all have bikes we don't like; I've never seen or ridden a spesh which I've liked. The new enduro thing is a similar price to the Bronson and is even worse value with in-house wheels etc.

A picture of a man pulling his poo'ing face hiding in the trees?

But why is that bike £9000? I've seen bikes in shops costing £3000 and up, but what is it that's so special about this one, to warrant such a price tag?

If nobody had purchased the 3 Oranges (2 mine, 1 my wifes) brand new, at silly sky high prices, they wouldn't be in our possession now. If you totalled up the list prices of them, might not get much change from £10k.

Chances are, they purchased another high-end bike brand new (which will eventually end up in someone else's house).

In the same way [b]somebody[/b] bought our car brand new at £30k+...

So at some point, these £9,000 bikes will end up owned by mere mortals 😉

[quote=hora]Alot of high end cars are leased and the industry is rife with high end cars being 'wound back' on mileage annually to retain their value.

I'd certainly question the validity of this statement...

So at some point, these £9,000 bikes will end up owned by mere mortals

Completely agree, I've no problem with it, if they want to spend £9000 on a new bike that's just fine... It'll just mean someone like me can buy it for much less in 18 months or so when 'the next big thing' comes out 😀

I once spent £10 on a cheese sandwich. I was expecting the king of all sandwiches, a life changer.
It wasn't,it was horrible.

I'd certainly question the validity of this statement...

I can only give you anecdotal I'm afraid but theres numerous references to this on Pistonheads. Porsche's and Beemers are good at doing high mileage with minimal wear apperently. Beemers being wound back pre end of lease and Porsche's etc to preserve resale.

I have 1 MTB bought new, I have 1 road bike (second hand). Note priority here! Plenty of people have huge number of bikes (n+1) which in total terms often exceed 9K. So if it was the bike for me I would still drop the money on it as my only MTB. Why not, I have 8 year old car it does the job. But my MTB is where I choose to spend my money.

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the £8k full Enve, XX1 build is **** all to some people

The top price oin their bike bulder is a shade under $11,000.

That's be £11,000 when it gets across the pond.

why do people care what other people spend their money on or what they ride and where they ride it?

Having owned an SC for over 10 years I think the ride of them and the fit of them for me is brilliant. Love them. I bought one originally because my mate had a Chameleon and it just felt perfect.

Luckily I look and ride like a cock anyway so I am not sure the bike would change much.

i'm not bothered by what other people do with thier money, it's up to them./

I'm just curious how a bicycle can cost £9000?

Looking at the jungle site, the Bronson is £8659 with all available upgrades; XTR, ENVE etc.
Too rich for me, but some will buy one. Personally I hope they enjoy them. I think they look fantastic.

I'm just curious how a bicycle can cost £9000?

I don't the answer to this. I do know when I bought an SC last year I priced up all the kit on it and even sourcing from all over the place the savings wouldn't have been much (mostly on forks). That is not to say I think the price is good, I would have thought there should be some saving on kit by buying a bike complete but this doesn't seem to be the case, unless buying a Canyon or YT for example.

Ahh, this old argument.

My race MTB cost more than £9k. It's got a set of Enve wheels on it. I'm still paying for it now and I still don't regret getting it. Those that slam Enve wheels have clearly never ridden a set. The comparison with the Syncros ones is laughable, they're far superior.

Just because you can't see the point in buying a high priced bike doesn't mean that people shouldn't. Some of it smacks of sour grapes a little.

To those asking how can it cost that much - a set of Enves is now nearly £2500 depending on hubs. A full XTR groupset is C£1500 and the fork will be the thick end of a grand. Factor in £100 of tyres, £200 bars, £300 for the reverb and it all starts adding up

Oh, and Jungle are notorious for high pricing on their full builds. I'm pretty certain you could pay RRP and probably save a bit of money, they certainly don't do anyone any favours. Which is probably why you can only get full builds on the Bronsen

The comparison with the Syncros ones is laughable, they're far superior.

Which is probably why you can only get full builds on the Bronsen

I'm pretty certain you could pay RRP and probably save a bit of money, they certainly don't do anyone any favours.

This interested me, so I had a look and you are absolutely right. About £1K less for a similar build (XT spec with ENVE wheels). All done on google shopping, so there's potential for further savings with some smart buying (and perhaps a small discount on the frame). That is, if you can get hold of some 650B ENVE rims.

Of course, as a distributor, everything gets advertised at full RRP, they are hardly going to discount something & thus reducing their dealers margin by doing so...

So by shopping around, yes, you probably can get it cheaper.

Incorrect, you can buy frames.

It says you can on the website, but according to our local Santa Cruz dealer you won't be able to get one until the end of the year. So its full build only

Not that I'm doubting you, but have you ridden the Syncros?