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So the rules say I can cycle round the park with hundreds of people but not in the countryside by myself?
The rules definitely don't say that.
So the rules say I can cycle round the park with hundreds of people but not in the countryside by myself?
The rules definitely don’t say that.
I assume they mean that their local park is busy so more likely to come into contact with people. I cycled through my local part yesterday at around 8am and I 100% passed more people than I would do if I went out to Surrey to ride my bike.
joepud
I assume they mean that their local park is busy so more likely to come into contact with people. I cycled through my local part yesterday at around 8am and I 100% passed more people than I would do if I went out to Surrey to ride my bike.
Exactly ... our local parks are jam packed with nowhere for people to disperse.
Indeed they seem to be the "meeting point" where kids and parents from different schools are meeting. (Accidentally or otherwise)
I rode past the "common/playground" on the way home yesterday.... bad timing as I had to be home for a VC parents evening... but quite literally hundreds on a small triangle.
The idea of not travelling is stop the inflection spreading to different areas, it’s not about the number of people you meet. Of course you can still travel from outside the U.K.
Anyway this has already been done on the main covid thread and others. It’ll probably end up getting closed as it’s just more of the same.
Don't close threads about exercise rules in deference to the main Covid one.
People don't want to have to read all the shit that gets posted in there. It's good to be able to avoid some of the usual suspects.
Drac
Full MemberThe idea of not travelling is stop the inflection spreading to different areas, it’s not about the number of people you meet.
Which still ties in with a lot of the above. I was hoping to get a mid-week ride in soon - get in car, go to trails, ride, drive home. Now I would like to add in "get coffee" at least a couple of times there, but I wont, so there's a very high chance that i wont see a single other person or mink to spread the disease to the entire time
The idea of not travelling is stop the inflection spreading to different areas,
Unless an area (island) has zero cases then it's not stopping the spread.
it’s not about the number of people you meet.
It's going to be very difficult to infect someone unless I do ... I gotta go as I have a Covid test in 30 mins... so assuming I manage not to get infected whilst being tested it's hard to see how my being alone in the countryside could possibly infect anyone.
ok how does it work with trail centers? i know gisburn is open. Is it ok to go?
Last time I went local out of Cheltenham on a MTB went up a track called Sandy Lane onto Lecky hill and on that track alone I past 30 people which is crazy your lucky to see three or four just had an email from Forest England and they say all there car parks are open most people that go to Pedalway or Beechinghurst are not local so what is classed this time as local easy to avoid people in the Forest of Dean Hay Ho.
Driving somewhere to exercise?
That's not within the spirit of the guidance, what you should do is stay in your home, lock your doors and windows and don't allow anyone or anything into or out of your house for 20 years.
Rather than worrying about driving, when you get to your destination, take it steady.
You don't want to come off on something sketchy and then have to go to the local A&E and demand to be patched up.
They might not be amused by your hilarious injuries.
I have a day and a half’s work in Oban end of next week, driving up from Bournemouth and will be taking my bike, I’m intending to stop at Inners for a ride on my way up Thursday, then Ft William Saturday afternoon before driving back to Innerleithen and an overnight stay before riding Golfie Sunday morning and then driving home.
As far as I can see, unless Scottish rules change, none of this is “against the rules” I would be staying in the same amount of hotels bike or no bike and am not planning on meeting up with anyone else.
I gotta go as I have a Covid test in 30 mins… so assuming I manage not to get infected whilst being tested it’s hard to see how my being alone in the countryside could possibly infect anyone.
Yeah I should added ‘not just’ of course there’s a risk you’re not alone, you have accident, contact from surfaces. This isn’t about your individual circumstances it’s about a general ban.
Seems like people are making it up as they go along, despite what the government have said...
From Gov site
You can travel for physical activity. Ideally use your nearest, local appropriate venue to reduce pressure on transport infrastructure. But you can travel to outdoor open space irrespective of distance. You shouldn’t travel with someone from outside your household unless you can practise social distancing – for example by cycling. It is not possible to practice effective social distancing in small vehicles.
Yeah I should added ‘not just’ of course there’s a risk you’re not alone, you have accident, contact from surfaces. This isn’t about your individual circumstances it’s about a general ban.
This is my whole reason for going into the countryside!
I have routes that do not require any gates/stiles etc.
If I have an accident, I have an accident ... I can't see how where I am makes any difference.
I'm far more likely to have an accident cycling to the hospital... to get a test to get an operation to find out if I'm proper ill to see if its treatable.
At any point I test positive I get chucked on a pile of statistics and presuming I live 3 mo that will be the "not Covid" pile so excuse my personal circumstances.
Jimmy - extra journey Oban to Fort william? Extra nights stay?
doomanic
Full MemberSeems like people are making it up as they go along, despite what the government have said…
Mind that the Scottish (and Welsh?) rules are different though
Seems like people are making it up as they go along, despite what the government have said…
Fake news.
It's a known fact that by driving to a different area increases your R rate by ten fold.
Doomaniac +1
This lockdown has different guidance.
Theres quite a few people in this thread that either need to work on their comprehension of written English, or just get their facts straight, or stop making shit up and spouting it as fact, or indeed, all three.
The legislation says nothing about traveling for exercise, so it's not illegal. The guidance is clearly to stay local.
The page quoted below is clearly out of date. The the section directly above what is quoted below says that gyms can open.
From Gov site
You can travel for physical activity. Ideally use your nearest, local appropriate venue to reduce pressure on transport infrastructure. But you can travel to outdoor open space irrespective of distance. You shouldn’t travel with someone from outside your household unless you can practise social distancing – for example by cycling. It is not possible to practice effective social distancing in small vehicles.
I just do as I want as if everyone had done what I did for last 6 months we wouldn't be in another lockdown.
Driving in a car with same people you live with and then walking in the open air without coming into contact with anyone else is pretty much as safe as staying in your house.
However, going to people houses in groups of 6 and sitting in a lounge for hours is one of the worst things you can do and not something I would even entertain even when it was allowed.
TJ, No extra nights, should be finished early Sat so a couple of hours at Ft Bill then drive to Innerleithen, are there advised restrictions to travel in this area of Scotland?
Theres quite a few people in this thread that either need to work on their comprehension of written English, or just get their facts straight, or stop making shit up and spouting it as fact, or indeed, all three.
No, it’s been updated since some (including myself) last looked nothing to do with not understanding written English. Maybe best you don’t make shit up.
kerley
Driving in a car with same people you live with and then walking in the open air without coming into contact with anyone else is pretty much as safe as staying in your house.
However, going to people houses in groups of 6 and sitting in a lounge for hours is one of the worst things you can do and not something I would even entertain even when it was allowed.
yet a week (?) ago the government advice was to go to a pub?
No, it’s been updated since some (including myself) last looked nothing to do with not understanding written English. Maybe best you don’t make shit up.
He or she didn't. See "or just get their facts straight".
Driving in a car with same people you live with and then walking in the open air without coming into contact with anyone else is pretty much as safe as staying in your house.
Ref the above, setting aside the guidance for a moment, what risks does it pose when compared with exercising locally?
TJ, No extra nights, should be finished early Sat so a couple of hours at Ft Bill then drive to Innerleithen, are there advised restrictions to travel in this area of Scotland?
Reckon you'd be breaking the spirit of the Scottish rules pretty soundly. You're clearly allowed to travel there for work. But a Oban is in Argyll Council area and Fort William is in Highland Council area. So an Oban resident shouldn't travel to Fort Bill and vice versa unless essential.
Taking exercise close to where you're based for work would seem like the most in keeping with the rules.
He or she didn’t. See “or just get their facts straight”.
Apart from the part of people not understanding written English or making shit up.
Apart from the part of people not understanding written English or making shit up.
"or", not "and". Which does bring us back to written English.
or”, not “and”. Which does bring us back to written English.
Not really no as neither is right. No one made shit up or didn’t understand written English, they just didn’t read the updated rules.
I'm in the position of having a missus Who's become a bit of a covid shut-in, WFH solidly since March, barely leaves the house compared to the rest of us, then complains that she's not been out...
2nd "Lockdown" rolls round and she's laying down the law about riding a bicycle again, reciting the same imagined "Guidance" and "Rules" telling me I can't go out for more than an hour (thanks Gove) or more than 3 miles from the house... All easily refuted with 15 seconds of googling...
But in order to sooth her furrowed brow I've agreed to keep within a ten mile radius of the house (plenty) and not drive anywhere just for a solo ride Oh and provide live tracking (which she is too much of a technophobe to use)... compromise can always be reached...
Of course she want's me to drive the whole family to some local woods for a walk this weekend, oddly enough because she's got cabin fever again, but that's totally different apparently...
TBH I think UK-LD2 is just a bit weaker in lots of people's minds anyway, the kids are still going to schools, Students are now at Uni, half the workforce are back in their offices, lots more shops will be justifying their wares as "essential"... Going for a short drive to an "outdoor open space" have a socially distanced spin with your family is perfectly acceptable, if not responsible IMO.
The people who will object the most are mostly barricaded inside their homes watching a superpower implode on the news while a lack of sunshine drives them further into a SAD induced spiral...
Bless Drac and his burning urge to always be right.
BITD I used to find it annoying, but its quite endearing really. Very cute.
A bit like one of those fluffy but cantankerous cats your gran used to have. You know what will happen, but you just can't help petting it!
jimmy748
The extra journey from Oban to fort William is clearly not within the guidance. You do not go thru fort William to get From Oban south thus this is not an essential journey
Stopping in the boarders en route is not as problematic but again you should not be breaking a journey from my understanding
If you live in a Level 0, 1, or 2 area in Scotland, or are considering travel to Scotland from anywhere else, you should:
minimise unnecessary journeys between areas in different levels
and avoid any unnecessary travel to places in Level 3 or Level 4 areas
if you have to travel for essential purposes, follow the guidance on travelling safely below
Oban is level 2, fort William level 1 so again thats another reason not to.
IMO going to Fort William is just not on. Stopping in the boarders probably falls in that bit between a literal strict interpretation of the rules and reasonable risk assessment. The time spent at the trails - if you spent that time driving instead you would not have to overnight in scotland on your way south
You can travel for physical activity. Ideally use your nearest, local appropriate venue to reduce pressure on transport infrastructure. But you can travel to outdoor open space irrespective of distance.
Cool, I shall be heading to the beach this weekend then. The nearest appropriate venue to surf is only 200 miles away.
Not really no as neither is right. No one made shit up or didn’t understand written English, they just didn’t read the updated rules.
The poster was correct - they said "or", not "and". If you really can't understand that, then I guess the comment about written English also applies.
Cool, I shall be heading to the beach this weekend then. The nearest appropriate venue to surf is only 200 miles away.
Also the best venue for Beach Volleyball I believe, Which is not a named exclusion.
Got it, thanks TJ, I will give Ft William a miss then and just ride Inners/Golfie when passing through.
Play nice kiddies.
Ta Jimmy. That seems a reasonable compromise to me.
Weird, it's both clear and open to massive interpretation at the same time. Schrodinger's Guidance. Who'd have thunk it?
You are allowed to leave your home to exercise outdoors. You should stay as local as possible, but can travel out of your local area if necessary (for example, to access an open space). If you need to travel, you should walk or cycle where possible, and follow guidance on safe travel.
There is no limit on the amount of individual exercise you can do, but you should act responsibly and limit transmission risk wherever possible.
Does that mean we were all correct after all, no matter what we posted at the time?
MoreCashThanDashDoes that mean we were all correct after all, no matter what we posted at the time?
Yes, pretty much. I think there's a rule about it. Rule 1 I think.
if everyone had done what I did for last 6 months we wouldn’t be in another lockdown.
Kerley, you're fishing for a knighthood aren't you.
Oh great one.
Kerley is correct tho
If everyone had played byy the rules the situation now would not be so serious
its not the folk nudging the rules a bit thats the issue - its those ignoring the rules