Not really no as neither is right. No one made shit up or didn’t understand written English, they just didn’t read the updated rules.
The poster was correct - they said "or", not "and". If you really can't understand that, then I guess the comment about written English also applies.
Cool, I shall be heading to the beach this weekend then. The nearest appropriate venue to surf is only 200 miles away.
Also the best venue for Beach Volleyball I believe, Which is not a named exclusion.
Got it, thanks TJ, I will give Ft William a miss then and just ride Inners/Golfie when passing through.
Play nice kiddies.
Ta Jimmy. That seems a reasonable compromise to me.
Weird, it's both clear and open to massive interpretation at the same time. Schrodinger's Guidance. Who'd have thunk it?
You are allowed to leave your home to exercise outdoors. You should stay as local as possible, but can travel out of your local area if necessary (for example, to access an open space). If you need to travel, you should walk or cycle where possible, and follow guidance on safe travel.
There is no limit on the amount of individual exercise you can do, but you should act responsibly and limit transmission risk wherever possible.
Does that mean we were all correct after all, no matter what we posted at the time?
MoreCashThanDashDoes that mean we were all correct after all, no matter what we posted at the time?
Yes, pretty much. I think there's a rule about it. Rule 1 I think.
if everyone had done what I did for last 6 months we wouldn’t be in another lockdown.
Kerley, you're fishing for a knighthood aren't you.
Oh great one.
Kerley is correct tho
If everyone had played byy the rules the situation now would not be so serious
its not the folk nudging the rules a bit thats the issue - its those ignoring the rules
If they made it that precise, there would be LOADS more people (rightly) complaining that they were excluded because of this, that or the other.
The rules on exercise outdoors are intentionally broad, to allow for some interpretation and so they don’t have to be six pages long.
The options to me are pretty clear be precise like say italy or wales X times a day Y miles from your house. Or vague like we have and leave it up for people to make their own mind rightly or wrongly how they should behave. The former stops any questions like this thread.
If everyone had played byy the rules the situation now would not be so serious
Transmission has been substantially increased by people legally but unwisely meeting multiple times in different groups of six. Compare and contrast with a family driving to a quiet spot for a walk...
its not the folk nudging the rules a bit thats the issue – its those
ignoringsetting the rules
FTFY Teej
If everyone had played byy the rules the situation now would not be so serious
Words straight from Tory central office, a job as a red wall MP awaits you TJ...
lol!
If everyone had played by the rules the situation now would not be so serious
It is not even about playing by the rules. The things people were allowed to do were not sensible and have caused us to be back in this situation.
1. Congregating in each others houses and sitting in the same room for hours was within the rules but to me it was a stupid thing to do so I haven't been in another person house since February. This is not even a balancing economy vs health thing as a group meeting in a house is not helping the economy.
2. Driving somewhere just to take the dogs for a walk is probably now against the rules but I will be doing that.
If people had done none of 1 and loads of 2 I think it is pretty obvious we would have seen no spread
kerley
It is not even about playing by the rules. The things people were allowed to do were not sensible and have caused us to be back in this situation.
^^^^ This
Kerley is correct tho
Best we get Kerley in to write up the legislation then eh.
Bit more to all of this than just Covid infections.
TJ
its not the folk nudging the rules a bit thats the issue – its those ignoring the rules
The rules specifically allowed people to go to pubs and restaurants.
The people MAKING those rules encouraged people to use them and even paid 1/2
Rules set at sons school ... no masks allowed, compulsory touching others enforced
Rules for sending Covid +ve patients to nursing homes
Need I go on?
Just to say thanks to kayak 23 for posting the link to the official guidance I was after /did not find myself.
you can travel to outdoor open space irrespective of distance
Just to say thanks to kayak 23 for posting the link to the official guidance I was after /did not find myself.
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-phased-return-of-sport-and-recreation/guidance-for-the-public-on-the-phased-return-of-outdoor-sport-and-recreation#travelling-for-physical-activity < you can travel to outdoor open space irrespective of distance
Erm - that document also has the below caveat in it in bold:
From Thursday 5 November, national restrictions supersede the contents of this guidance document, in particular where the document refers to Local COVID Alert Levels. This guidance document can still be used by those businesses which are permitted to operate under the national restrictions, to support those businesses to operate safely.
I’m torn because I’d arranged to meet a mate to deliver his new bike I’m building for him and go for a bike ride in a place between where we live.
Would be just 2 of us riding, self sufficient on food and fuel etc so within the rules in that respect.
However it’s a 28 mile drive for him but 88 mile drive for me.
He’s saying that’s fine but I’m a bit reluctant to travel that far. It’s not expressly forbidden that I can see but it’s not really in the spirit of stay local or drive to somewhere with an open space as a backup plan.
joebristol
It’s not expressly forbidden that I can see but it’s not really in the spirit of stay local or drive to somewhere with an open space as a backup plan.
Did you get into the spirit of getting pissed in pubs?
Did you get into the spirit of getting pissed in pubs?
Thanks for your concern but no I haven’t really been to many pubs and I’ve not been flaunting any Covid rules or guidance. I’ve worked from home since March and had minimal people over here (just parents).
We went on our daily dog walk up Bosley Cloud earlier....absolutely rammed. 2 different group of bikers....one 3 blokes all my Dad age, another 5 blokes of a wider age range. Two other groups blatantly flouting the household mixing rules, and then about as many people as I've ever seen up there on top of that.
We'll be driving somewhere quieter tomorrow.
Fair enough on the rules stuff and poor quality guidance. I stand corrected. Both apply I think. People not following the rules and some of the rules being stupid
I know of several outbreaks in Scotland that are directly attributable to folk not following basic rules.
Thanks for your concern but no I haven’t really been to many pubs and I’ve not been flaunting any Covid rules or guidance. I’ve worked from home since March and had minimal people over here (just parents).
Not really concern, more it seems you showed/demonstrated sensible independent thought rather than follow the guidance and spirit to go to pubs then so why be so bothered if you are following the spirit now?
TJ
Fair enough on the rules stuff and poor quality guidance. I stand corrected. Both apply I think. People not following the rules and some of the rules being stupid
I know of several outbreaks in Scotland that are directly attributable to folk not following basic rules.
To be fair your rules at least seem thought through... ours are beyond a mess.
Put it this way ... Am I going to blindly follow the rules made by the people who sent Covid +ve patients to nursing homes or sent people to pubs? (Or said don't wear a mask)
I've got a specific self interest in not testing +ve at the moment but many don't either because they had it already, think they did or whatever.
Given the complete and utter mess made by UK/English government I can understand why people are not following or picking and choosing.
Quite frankly I'm past trying to keep up... do this, don't do that then a complete U turn.
It feels like a game of being blindfolded and spun around.
There is an old arabic tale of a sheik who had 3 sons but only one could inherit.
He tasked them one at once with going to a country house and bringing back a family of mice in a hat.
(You need to be careful as there is only one letter different between "mouse" and "knight" perhaps significant?)
anyway the 2 eldest fail and the youngest succeeds.
When asked how he achieved this the youngest son replies "every time they worked out how to escape the hat I shook it about hard until they were dizzy and confused"
"Well done" says the Sheik, "that is how you must rule the people".
I haven’t read the last few pages but I’m assuming no one has actually changed their position and it will now assume a virtuous death spiral.
I haven’t read the last few pages but I’m assuming no one has actually changed their position and it will now assume a virtuous death spiral.
Errrr, well yes. My driving past Cannop Cycle Centre on my way home from work is now rather moot. Day 2 of lockdown and I’ve been furloughed. So it’s local only for me for a while.
I haven’t read the last few pages but I’m assuming no one has actually changed their position and it will now assume a virtuous death spiral.
The point of internet posts on controversial subjects, such as this one, is to see how long it can go on with each side getting more entrenched, until Godwin's law is fulfilled; at which point the thread gets closed and we start again with something else.
For instance, even though I can ride from my doorstep, I will now drive 10 miles away from home, so I can ride 10 miles back home just because I believe that is within the rules and anyone who disagrees is worse than Hitler.
The point of internet posts on controversial subjects, such as this one, is to see how long it can go on with each side getting more entrenched, until Godwin’s law is fulfilled; at which point the thread gets closed and we start again with something else.
Will this do?
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I walk the dog every day at a local nature spot. According to the car park and street parking there this last few days, this ‘lockdown’ has seen noticeably (200%-250%) higher numbers of driver-walkers since being implemented. Not as busy as the first one though.
People are weird.
To be honest the best thing to do is instead of telling everyone on here what your interpretation of the rules is then getting into a fight about it, just go out and follow your interpretation of the rules quietly and get on with life.
Arguing about it here wont change the rules or guidance and wont change anyones actions either.
English law is based mostly upon case law which is the de facto interpretation of various laws written into statute. This has built up over hundreds of years yet the fact that lawyers have jobs still is reason enough to show there will always be differences in interpretation. COVID will be a distant memory by the time this argument is put to bed, but I bet some folk will still debate it for years after the event.
With young kids on bikes. A dog on a lead (oh shit, that’ll put the cat among the pigeons). Along a main road with no pavement.
I struggle with long sentences, but are the kids wearing helmets?
I went for a short drive today for a walk and was astounded at how busy it was. Gonna go some where less popular and more mountainous tomorrow, its further away but I bet I see less people.
Went down to Haldon yesterday and it was heaving. Groups of riders and large family gatherings. No social distancing at all. Are we all being set up here ?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/part/2/made
Fine to drive anywhere to exercise as long as you want.
in England DJ
Can confirm via the power of Strava that it’s fine for a group of 7 or 8 to drive from the central belt to Dunkeld for the day
The temptation to drive somewhere yesterday was there, given the sun was out with no wind.
Opted to go for a run from the house instead.
I'm expecting lockdown 2.1 to kick in with tighter restrictions in a week or so.
It was very busy at Rivington yesterday, hundreds of people had driven there to access an open space - as they are entitled (or even encouraged by the Gov't) to do.
Everyone being sensible, not that many obvious rule-breakers. but I was amazed to see a group of about 10 or 12 MTBers at one spot (by the little cafe at the kennels).
I did ask them what the hell they were doing - but they rode off without answering.
Anyone here involved and could explain?
No social distancing at all.
None whatsoever? Really?
Do elaborate.
QE counrty park in Hants absolutely rammed yesturday and today. I have never seen it so busy , car parks over flowing and cars jammed on any open space available.
Loats of kids and dads out , loads of family walker types and dogs running everyhere
They all have to use the same touchscreen AMPR pay on exit machines, so unless you carry hand sanitizer with you , thats maybe 100+ peoples germs on those screens.
Some small groups of mtbers still though clearly 3-4 mates out for a pootle but no-one is going to do anything so looking forward to lockdown christmas as the numbers wont decrease anywhere near fast enough to make a difference
Chock a block as these things go in the FofD from lock down onwards, but my attitude to this has changed from the last time. I’d rather they were meeting each other in the outdoors where risk of infection is massively reduced rather than at home and in reality there’s plenty of space.
That’s not to say I don’t wish they would all piss off, but that’s just a general misanthropic reaction rather than Covid hysteria.
Met a mate at Staveley car park yesterday for a ride. The (usually busy) car park was half empty. Quite a few walkers and mtb-ers setting off, none I could see not in pairs or family groups.