[Closed] Roadies... Why are they so cold?

They are fitter than you. A gentle ampble for them is a leg busting sweaty heart attack for you.

#Edit - just to add - I'm in no way fit- but my missus comes out with me for long jaunts. I'm proper freezing with all the breaks, slow climbs etc etc. So I just wear more than her. Any for anyone that knows me - I know I am in no way fit. But my not fit is her olyimpian 😉

40% less body fat

Aerodynamics ? 😀

Wind chill from their awesome speed?

Most roadies have less 'insulation' than me so I always assumed that was why.

Not so sure - overtook a few, only overtaken once.

Faster = more windchill
Not using upper body as much = less heat generated inside
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I get very cold on a road bike if there is a slight chill in the air, less bad on an MTB, but I run all winter in shorts, deep snow and everything, (and runners don't wear overshoes, 🙂 just not necessary.)
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I always wear gloves though.

they are going much faster than you and the wind chill is far greater
I have not gone to lycra on the road bike yet but shorts on the MTB

overtook a few,

Faster speeds. Wind chill. less chub to keep them warm.

Although the chap who slowed down to chat with me for a bit on dartmoor was wrapped up good and proper and even complained it was cold. I was in shorts and short sleeved top....

I always wear baggy stuff & carry a Camelbak when I'm on the road bike. Cos I is a rebel innit.
Dunno what fitness has to do with it though

Main reason is wind chill. At 25+mph it gets quite cold.

Today for example i was in 3/4 and a ss too. My hands and arms were cold, until I stopped, then it was warm again.

cold blooded int they...

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[i]Dunno what fitness has to do with it though [/i]

Fit people are more efficient and develop less internal heat as a result. That's why roadies are colder.

'88 Giro d'Italia - Gavia Pass - 'core

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Worth a read http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/update-gavia-pass-for-saturday.html

40% less body fat

6% here and out in short sleeves and naked knees today.

I have seen lots of MTBers dressed in waterproof jackets and tights under baggies on warm days; there seems to be an abundance of people that either have poor circulation or feel the need to adorn their entire wardrobe every ride.

TBF it was 4 degrees when I set off this morning, but got quite warm later on in the sun.

as above, was 3 deg when i left this morning so went knee warmers and LS jersey.

To reduce the risk of silly tan lines, I just cover myself from head to toe in Lycra. That way I remain a uniform pasty white.

I did a 60 miler on the roadbike today, around some of Yorkshire's flat bits, in Baa baa, Phantom and long lycra, I wasn't overly hot, I wear plenty of body fat, too. 😉

That's weird, I was thinking just the opposite today. I saw lots of roadies out in full (often team) lycra and the MTBers I saw were all wrapped up head-to-toe in black, mostly wearing jackets.

1-10 deg full winter kit
10-15 base, long sleeve top and long sleeve Jersey over that with shorts or tights depending on which end of the scale the temp is at.
15+ shorts, base and short sleeve Jersey.

Its all about the wind chill. 15-25 MPH on a constant basis for hours on end takes a lot of body heat away.

Gavia 1988 = Stuff of Legends.

Would never happen these days. Can you imagine how the Schlecks would whinge?

Schleck "Is this what people really want to see?"
Cycling fan: "Did anyone die? If not, then yes that's what we want to see"

Half the body fat = colder
Twice the speed = colder
Not eating pies = colder
No backpack containing half a workshop and larder = colder

Because it was bloody freezing. 8am start, ice on the cars = longs, vest, L/s jersey, gilet and full finger gloves.

And no shelter, no stopping, far greater speeds, sitting in one position, greater risk of wind chill.

And it was winter a week ago. Why would you wear the same kit in this weather as the kit you'd wear to climb an Alp in the height of summer?

Edit; Some roadies don't like to get into summer kit too soon, so they can feel the benefit of the lighter less restrictive kit when it counts.

This weekend
3/4 bibs on the road with long sleeve jersey
shorts with long sleeve jersey on the mtb

you (well, me anyway) move around a lot less on the road bike
I'm a statue apart from piston like legs of iron 😀

Road riding sounds really fun...no wonder I've never seen a smiling roadie, they're all freezing (or are in fact the cycling dead).

I work a lot harder on the road bike overall than on the MTB but like has been said, the average overall speed increase can blow a lot of the warmth out. I made the seasonal switch to shorts and knee warmers about 3 weeks ago from tights and tend to go with a windproof jacket and long-sleeve jersey on top. With MTB I find the cold comes and goes but on the road it seems to be a constant companion in this sort of weather.

in my experience road rides tend to start earlier and finish later. also air temp is taking a while to pick up this time of year.

went from about 2 degrees yesterday morn to about 20 in the pm.

in my experience mtb rides don't tend to last 6 hours, whereas they do EVERY week on road bike.

hence early starts and plenty of kit on.

My average speed off road: 6-9 mph.

My average speed on road: 14-17 mph.

I live at the top of a long hill so the first 10 minutes of any ride on a cold morning are not great.

If you're out on a long off road ride, you usually have a bag, so can stuff your jacket in there if things get a bit too warm.

On a long 'serious bizniz' road ride (you know, the ones where the rider is convinced they'll be picked for the Tour someday), no pack will be worn, so if the conditions change the rider will have no option but to carry on, sweating in the heat and unable to rehydrate because his single, quarter full bottle has run out.

I've started dumping the bag for most road rides myself these days (don't tell anyone, ok?), and always wear a base layer with huuge pockets so I can stuff a waterproof or windproof in.
Less stops on the road, so less variation in temperature, but roadie clothing is always a compromise - I tend to err on the side of wearing too much, as I prefer to be slightly too warm than too cold.

Or I just slow down and take the tourer, put the panniers on, take a spare layer and stop for a picnic half way round. Much more civilised.

i don't think you need to think you're going to get picked for a pro team to realise how ****ing uncomfortable it is to wear a backpack on a long road ride.

If you're out on a long off road ride, you usually have a bag

Oh dear..

EDIT: Or by long road ride do you mean touring?

I was out on the road bike yesterday in the Peak District, wearing shorts and short-sleeves. Plenty of sun but I never warmed up properly for getting on for 5 hours. I enjoyed the climbs because at least I was a bit warmer. Brrr!

Oh dear..

I have re-read Rusty Spanner's post a few times now. Still not sure what it means.

More sweat needs to be wicked away.
Otherwise you'll get cold.

KINGTUT - Member
> If you're out on a long [b]off[/b] road ride, you usually have a bag
Oh dear..

EDIT: Or by long road ride do you mean touring?

Sorry, I've just read it again and even I'm not sure what I mean.

When riding my 'roadie' bike, I dont take a rucksack.
I tend to overdress slightly at this time of year;
Hate riding home cold and wet so usually take a light jacket.
Often can't be arsed to take it offif it brightens up, so am sometime a bit warm, as the OP said.

Off road, I usually take a bag, so I can stuff extra layers in.
More stops off road, greater temperature variation and usually higher up, it makes sense for big days out in the hills.
So you don't always look like you've just stepped out of a sauna.

Pannier for the tourer & I was only joking about serious roadies, we all still do the commentary in our heads as we beat that lady on the shopping bike to the lights. 🙂

plus general wind as well as speed induced wind makes one colder...

A LOT more shelter in the woods, pottering around at around 8mph than there is up on the moors chewing ya bar tape...

More clothing = more space for logos

I was out yesterday on road bike, wearing 3/4 bib shorts, ss jersey and base layer. It was hot on the climbs, but pushing 30mph on the flat gives wind chill you know!

Although not always the case, people who are new to cycling often get the clothing wrong by dressing so they are comfortable outside the house...then boil on first climb.

I think dressing in autumn/spring can be tricky to get right as the range of conditions can vary so much during the day.

bit of wind chill will help to refrigerate that big head tho eh?

lot more upper body movement offroad than on roadbike

you have to dress for the last mile or so from the pub which is all downhill. meaning once you have cooled down you won't get warm for this 5 minutes or so.

I think dressing in autumn/spring can be tricky to get right as the range of conditions can vary so much during the day.

rocketman - Member

More clothing = more space for logos

and for roadies, it's ALL about the logos; big is good, bigger is better. more is good, loads is better.

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they're basically chavs.

(winky smiley smiley winky)

If you're out on a long off road ride, you usually have a bag

Oh dear..

EDIT: Or by long road ride do you mean touring?

Since this winter I've taken to using a newspaper again, still works a treat.

thank god its just a roady thing eh adam 😉

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It's still chilly out there you know. Despite those rather healthy temperatures last week when your are rattling along at an ave of 27mph you do get rather chilly sonny. I'm now in bib short, merino base layer, (well known brand from near Hoxton)'s sportwool short arm and (same brand) long sleeve jersey. I've been a bit chilly most recently changing to short legs again but riding I've been looking for climbs to warm me up.

MTB's have always been a lot slower even rattling along flat sections so the wind chill is nowhere near the same as roadies encounter.
I guess the nearest discipline is the Downhill lot who can plummet quite quickly.

[i]rattling along at an ave of 27mph[/i]

Sure you are, Billy, sure you are...

Here we go 😀

🙂

'Billy' was a name we applied to anyone who talked the talk but was strangely unable to back it up on the actual bike. It started off as 'Eddy', like Eddy Merckx, but became Billy after a trip to Ghent to watch the Ghent 6 in the company of a chap who was a reasonable junior rider and insisted that he was going to come back and spend a season racing in Belgium. While he smoked 20 odd fags in an evening...

We called him Billy Bullshit, World Champion, and it stuck.

Oh well, take it or leave it, your choice, just pointing out differences in wind chill.

"Billy"

Like whateva.

I'll leave it thanks, because you really aren't doing an average of 27 mph, are you?

An average of 18 mph in an urban area is good going. I've done an average, door to door, of 20 mph over 70 miles when I was absolutely stinking fit and flying after a fortnight racing abroad, but 27 mph is only doable by broomstick.

because you really aren't doing an average of 27 mph, are you?

Well of course he isn't, everyone knows a proper bikeist would be doing 44 kmh!

Easter Knees.......simple.. 🙂

Was a bit warm in the thermal tights this afternoon but would have frozen this morning, can always unzip a bit if you're warm more difficult to do something if you're cold though!

The Darkside is strong.

Did my second sportive on Sunday (Essex Spring Lambs Sportive). 94 miles in 4hrs 42. 20mph average.

Did me proud to get 23rd overall and second overall in age group with Team Epping MTB over all the roadie teams 😉

MM

(oh but it's not a race 😉 )

What's that got to do with temperature?

Good going, I've still to do a 100km anywhere near that. Went out with a mixture of local clubs on Sunday, after almost bottling out due to the amount of 1st and 2nd cats in the session. Kept clearing the string of dribble away to see the speedo reading 26 -28mph on the dual carriage way fast sections. Then getting home to see it was only just 18mph average 😥 I thought is was going to be biblical.

1-10 deg full winter kit
10-15 base, long sleeve top and long sleeve Jersey over that with shorts or tights depending on which end of the scale the temp is at.
15+ shorts, base and short sleeve Jersey.

so what do you wear when it is below zero?

I find i tend to stay quite warm on my road bike as the effort is more constant whereas on mtb always stopping to chat, open gates and chat etc etc.

I am always amazed at how much kit a lot of cycle commuters wear. I can be in shorts and base layer and they are still bimbling about in waterproof trousers and jacket. We get something like 10 wet commutes a year in this London so very little need for the sweaty misery of Altura's finest.

That said its a free world!

I am always amazed at how much kit a lot of cycle commuters wear. I can be in shorts and base layer and they are still bimbling about in waterproof trousers and jacket.

The key word is bimbling. Getting up to a decent pace (and unlike sportives commutes [b]are[/b] races, you versus every other commuter) generates a fair bit of internal heat. 's why you boil as soon as ou stop anywhere sheltered.

I averaged 25.64mph on Sunday 😀 And yes, that was quite cold!
It was a time-trial though, fairly sure I couldn't do that on a long ride....
I was colder on Saturday though, out on the MTB. Why has no-one raised the issue of altitude and the fact that on an MTB I tend to go up bigger hills to more exposed places than I do on a road bike? I was wrapped up well then, but rode the TT in shorts (well, short-legged skinsuit, most flattering)

Depends on the individual too surely?

Very rarely ride (MTB - don't do 'road') in more than baggies, base layer and short-sleeve jersey at any time of the year - riding in the snow in February I did have a shell with me but it stayed in the bag until I stopped riding.

Surely wear what you're personally going to be comfortable in and not worry about what other people are doing?

slainte ➡ rob

For every 10mile an hour you go you drop a degree in air temperature I'm sure I read somewhere.

I averaged 2.1mph this weekend 🙁

Although i have just realised my last split was 5 hours 50 and 0m travelled. LOL