[i]Only a bellend would split hairs.[/i]
damned by your own words...If you're not going to take it form njee20...You're not doing your [u]average[/u] rides at 20mph. You just ain't, you've done some of your rides at 20mph, but that isn't your average speed.
You're a fast rider, no one is disputing that.
As I said in my first post, and as I've reiterated several times, [b]I AIM TO AVERAGE 20mpg[/b]
If I [b]aimed[/b] to do 15mph, I'd achieve my goal every time I swung a leg over a road bike. So what would be the point of that. My regular Wednesday night team ride usually averages 18mph. The first and final mile are down a shared footpath/cycle path, so we pootle that section. I know that, and waiting for slower riders brings the average speed down, but when you take those factors into account, the average is as near as dammit to 20mph.
If I was turning in 15mph averages, then yes, you'd be justified in saying I'm way off the mark, but when I state my [b]AIM[/b] is to average 20, I've proven that I often achieve that (whether it's in time trials, races or sportives) and a large portion of my rides come within a gnat's chuff of achieving it, what sort of bellend would put so much effort into trying to discredit me?
As an aside, there have been times in the past where the only riding I did was crit racing twice a week. If I'd answered this question accurately at that time, my average speed would have been 28mph!
You're discrediting yourself! No one really gives a shit what times you can or can't do, when you look back at the original point of the thread, your averages, as some sort of self proclaimed semi-pro, are completely irrelevant.
Trouble is, you've come across as more than a bit patronising and that has a tendency to irk some folk. And still you won't put your spade away...
I wonder how the OP is getting on with his 5 mile commute?
It can be done!Btw, no power data njee? Is the PowerTap well and truly dead?
Aye, knew I could do it, just not at Z2!
PowerTap has totally died - took the subsidised G3 replacement and sold it to Kryton. The plan is to buy one of the new slew of power metres out there sometime this year, Vectors are top of the pile at the moment! It's all wasted on me really, don't train any more, just pootle around enjoying myself, but I like the numbers and the pretty graphs and the quantification of my mediocrity! Both my HR straps have now died too, so I'm a full on luddite!
Trouble is, you've come across as more than a bit patronising and that has a tendency to irk some folk. And still you won't put your spade away...
^^ this + 1
Why not take a breather from this and it will go away.
Sorry folks but sometimes it takes a good man to walk away.
HR straps died? How convenient. Bet you were breathing through your nose the whole way home... 😉
Bikebouy, I would walk away, but I do find it fun watching bell ends furiously scurrying around my Strava account trying to disprove what they [i]think[/i] I said rather than what I actually said.
Yep, I was. Average was probably 180 or so at a guess.
And it was so nearly over...
Indeed. No need for the sneaky edit, I thought we'd got through that.
It's all a bit Edinburgh Defence now "well I never said I actually [i]do[/i] average 20mph". 🙄
Both my HR straps have now died too, so I'm a full on luddite!
Blimey, I don't think I could cope. My garmin somehow lost both my HRM and PM about 5 mins into last nights ride. I went straight home and did the session on the turbo instead!
It is against everything I stand for!
HR straps have gone back awaiting credit. It's now 4 premium Garmin HR straps that have stopped working too quickly, so if they don't credit I'm buying something else. Either a Decathlon strap so it's cheap to replace, or perhaps a PowerCal.
thought the Polar strap was the default answer?
Hmm I've had my new Garmin strap a few months now and it does seem to be getting a little temperamental. HR is a nice to have, but I can't ride a road bike without power now!
thought the Polar strap was the default answer?
With both of my current ones it's the actual "unit" that's gone, not the strap. Have had electrodes come unglued and stuff too, but this one's just buggered!
It's no such thing njee. I've been perfectly clear from the outset, and I've proved that I can, and often do, achieve 20mph. This is in spite of this weird ruling that you seem to have imposed that time trials and sportives don't count, "cos everyone goes faster in events" 🙄
Competitive cyclists have used "evens" as a target for decades. That's because a reasonable club cyclist has the ability to ride at 20mph... When we achieve it, we're chuffed. When we fall short, we blame traffic. When we fall a long way short, we call it a zone 2 ride. 😉
But there's really no need to make such a tit of yourself trying to pick holes in what people post, you've got a bit of a habit for that sort of behaviour and it's really rather irritating..
Well done Njee, you've wound him right up, cheers for the lulz!
Kinda expected you to be better looking though 😛
This is in spite of this weird ruling that you seem to have imposed that time trials and sportives don't count, "cos everyone goes faster in events"
I've never said that, once again you seem to be attributing things that other people are saying, to me.
You're still missing the point though. The thread was about what speed you 'usually' do, your average. Your average is not >20mph, and to throw in TTs, or sportives that were known for being incredibly fast is just misleading or inflating your figures to give you a sense of self worth.
Your average ride appears to be more like 17-18mph. That's fine, I'm really not sure why you feel the need to tell yourself you're going quicker. You aren't. You say "here's a ride where I did 20" and it's 19. 19 isn't 20. The evidence really is there for all to see. You can blame traffic, hills, the weather, only having one leg, the cat, whatever! It doesn't really matter, you're still not averaging 20mph on the vast majority of your rides, in the same way you're not doing 50mph!
What you are doing, is thinking that people care, and calling me a bellend repeatedly, despite the fact I've not insulted you in any way. You also keep saying how much faster than me you are, despite having no idea whatsoever.
Well done Njee, you've wound him right up, cheers for the lulz!Kinda expected you to be better looking though
Happy to help! Apologies for my lack of aesthetic appeal, my Strava picture doesn't capture my best side.
Where have I ever claimed my average speed is >20mph?
And why is my speed in time trials (which I do once or twice a week in summer) misleading?
Is that not cycling?
And why is my speed in time trials (which I do once or twice a week in summer) misleading?Is that not cycling?
REALLLLLLLLLLY? Because the thread is about road riding average speeds. I'm not gonna chip in with my kilo record on the track, because it's a complete irrelevance. It wasn't "what's your cycling average speed", and if it was the answer from Strava this year appears to be a whisker under 14.4mph. You're choosing the fastest rides to make yourself look good.
The point was to give the OP (waaaaay back) "something to aim for" - he's starting out on the road, and is interested what sort of speeds more experienced riders do in general. It wasn't "what's the fastest you've ever averaged on a bike". It wasn't a place for you to puff out your chest, call me a bellend and all manner of other stupid things, whilst observing I have a chip on my shoulder because you're delusional!
If all your riding was crits then it would be pretty irrelevant to contribute to a thread like this and say "I average 28mph", I suspect that's an overstatement for a 3/4 crit anyway! In the same way that if the thread was "what sort of speed do you do a mountain bike ride at" and you wandered in and said "I do 15mph whilst racing cyclocross".
Well guys I looked at both your Strava routes/rides you posted, shrugged and closed the window.
You are both embroiled in a tit for tat and, well, this place hasn't had one like this since Fred and TJ were at loggerheads.
I admire you both, really I do, and therefore wish you both Bon Courage.
(I've got nothing against either of you, I just took a peek at Strava and I'll not visit again unless invited)
Dudes !!
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That's a perfectly valid point about crit racing, but as it was posted "as an aside", I'll file it under "bellendery" with all your other little gems 😉
Last time I looked at the floor during a time trial, it was a road.
Come on, admit it, you just feel a bit silly for choosing a ride called "Dragging Poorly Dave Round the Trough of Bowland" as an example of my average speeds... Come on, I'd feel a bit of a bellend if I'd done that! :d
I've not read it all gatsby, so it may have already been pointed out
but your Southport CC 25
https://app.strava.com/activities/173686706
is only 33.3km,
25 miles is 40.23km
As an aside, there have been times in the past where the only riding I did was crit racing twice a week. If I'd answered this question accurately at that time, my average speed would have been 28mph!
Dammit I can't help myself. Mainly because I'm procrastinating furiously from what I should be doing, but I've just gone and had a look at 2013 for your crit results. Surprise, surprise:
[url= https://app.strava.com/activities/64842167 ]25.3mph[/url]
[url= https://app.strava.com/activities/71112488 ]26.2mph[/url]
[url= https://app.strava.com/activities/69889363 ]23.5mph[/url]
[url= https://app.strava.com/activities/68181127 ]25.7mph[/url]
[url= https://app.strava.com/activities/66506183 ]23.9mph[/url]
None of those are 28mph, but you just had to get in the cheeky boast that your average speed was 28mph. Why not just say 30?
That was just the July ones, so my apologies if you raced more in other months and were faster.
You are both embroiled in a tit for tat
Bloody aren't, I'm not making up numbers and trying to make myself sound better than I am, I know my place!
Last time I looked at the floor during a time trial, it was a road.
So when someone says to you "I'd like to come on your club ride on Wednesday, what speed do you normally average", you'll say "20mph", based on your TTing?
20mph to be a reasonable club cyclist! Sad face, I'm 4mph short of that. Does that mean I'll never win a road race or go under the hour? And my mates all lied they said crits would be nearer 25 average, but 28!
Those damn cool-downs have screwed my averages up!!!
(Or possibly traffic lights) 😉
Can we rename this thread "how to win friends and influence people" please?
If you never intended to claim to average 20mph why were you digging up examples from Strava to try and prove just that?
How can you not see the difference between a five mile plod to work and a 100mile sportive?
What point are you trying make Dan?
Those damn cool-downs have screwed my averages up!!!(Or possibly traffic lights)
that to me? no cool down or traffic lights in the "25" you posted
54:27 for 25 miles, would make you pretty quick,
54:27 for 20.5 miles, still makes you quick, but not "quick"
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I was referring to the crits but sorry, no idea about the distance anomaly on that one...
that to me? no cool down or traffic lights in the "25" you posted
Nah me, re: the crits. We can take it to the sprint finish if you want, still no 28mph averages!
Thanks for posting those links njee, I can never be arsed trawling through my own Strava account, never mind a complete stranger's, been nice reminiscing. I think it's time to stop the bellendery now though, it's really getting kinda weird and I'm rather worried that you'll have worked out my address by now. The last thing I need is a crazed stalker turning up at my house... 🙄
Meh, you posted a link. You click on your name, then scroll down to your activity feed, choose a week (or change to monthly) then look at the activities. We're talking 3-4 clicks, it's not really restraining order type levels of stalking.
You put the information on a publicly shared site. You don't even have any of your privacy settings turned up.
Typical stalker behaviour... Blame the victim. I suppose I dress provocatively too...
Hilarious 😐
gatsby... he's typing while sat in your underwear... one handed 😉
Bloody hell 😆
I wondered who the little guy in the laundry room was... Time to set up a privacy zone methinks!
We have a comedy double act! Well done you two.
There's only one display of 'bellendery' here and it's not njee.
Indeed!
Where have I ever claimed my average speed is >20mph
.I don't 'train to it', but it does seem to average itself out on the type of routes I do. I said I "aim for it", if my average is 17mph and I'm 20 miles from home, [b]I'd expect to make that up on the home leg..[/b]
😕
Do you know what > means?
Ah. I see. You'd expect to make up the average to 20.0mph, but not 20.1?
Care to explain what you even mean by that?
Someone close this please.
It's like a car crash that won't stop happening.
Was it you that had a similar run in with surf mat a few years back njee?
Someone close this please.
nah! its winning the internets
I've had various run ins over the years! Surf Mat, Discoduck and Moshi Monster all spring to mind.
I'll admit I don't tend to let things go, but i maintain I've been wholly civil throughout this. Just nice to have people back up their claims.
Someone close this please.
nah! its winning the internets
😆 agreed! Much entertainment!
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Racing Saturday, deffo not bothering to turn up if any of the STW road crew have signed up.
Njee's not an idiot. He's just particular, as are you. Hence the issue.
I smell a rat.. I think it's double log in.
Who do you reckon? Fairly convinced Gatsby isn't mtbel, although the latter has made some very random contributions to this thread.
erm.. is that a double bluff, I was going for njee20 and gatsby being one and the same.. way too similar personalities to be 2 different folk. 😳
Aah, no, I'm not him. We're not similar either, I'm marginally less delusional. I've also not resorted to childish name calling.
Have we done the simple average speed test yet? (cos that's what the original question was)
Gatsby 2015 -> 791 miles in 54:51 hours = 14.2mph avg.
njee20 2015 -> 1,390 miles in 91:51 hours = 15.1 mph avg.
We have a winner!! 🙂
And just for reference me 2015 -> 579.2 miles in 33:48 hours = 16.9mph 😀
(Which shows the dangers of strava stats, cos in reality I'm an order of magnitude slower than njee20)
IanMunro take a bow. Njee and gatsby take a timeout or you won't get any pudding 😈
So how are we working out these average speeds?
I've always worked on the total journey time including stops for tea and cake, relief stops, and pic opportunities.
General consensus was Strava averages as the benchmark, which are based on moving averages.
And yes, Ian, we did that! To be clear though it was never a competition between me and Gatsby!
Clock on your mums kitchen wall.
Sunday mate averaged 3+ mph faster than me on an organised ride. I finished over 1/2 Hour ahead. Started together.
If STW formed a BC Affiliated club we'd reign supreme.
Most. Entertaining. Thread. Ever.
Kept me entertained for at least 2 train commutes (& that's SouthernRail, so no mean feat)
Don't stop.
Gatsby is a previous poster on here. Although I won't say who unless he wants to himself.
Njee, you little terrier!
Just popped onto this thread, wondering what could keep such a tedious topic going for 11 pages. 🙂
Quality thread.keep it up. 😀
fwiw- I don't know/care what my average speed is.
It would only make me feel even more inadequate after reading the last 11 pages...
Gatsby is a previous poster on here. Although I won't say who unless he wants to himself.
Is he now!? That's interesting!
fwiw- I don't know/care what my average speed is.
It would only make me feel even more inadequate after reading the last 11 pages...
Just make it up then, you'll fit right in 😉
So who's up for round two 😀
I found myself getting a bit saddened that this thread was dropping off the front page. What the hell am I going to do today!?
Think of it like a great TV series or Film, let it die in it's prime before the sequels ruin it.
Either that or turn it into a wheelsize thread... I wonder how much average MTB Strava speeds have changed for people who moved from 26 to $otherwheelsize, that might keep it going for a bit?
As the thread is actually 2 months old though, technically I think this is an example of a sequel besting the original. But yes, I guess we don't want any shark jumping.
njee20 - Member
.....What the hell am I going to do today!?
Stat analysis of Strava times and calaculate 95% confidence limits of being a "20mph average rider", ideally using a spreadsheet with graphs.
We also need a factor for converting northern 'hard as nails' miles to southeren 'softy shandy quaffer' miles with a weighting coefficient for genital size/mass (the bellend factor)
😆
I did an hour and a half today on the way in. Average speed was low though on account of the significant discomfort caused by my stupidly wide bars.
We also need a factor for converting northern 'hard as nails' miles to southeren 'softy shandy quaffer' miles with a weighting coefficient for genital size/mass (the bellend factor)
😆 😆 😆
What the hell am I going to do today!?
If like me it'll be catching up on work you were meant to do yesterday.
Though sun is shining, looks like a nice day for a fast ride 🙂
Edit...
Just a minute... is that the OP? Do you feel your question has been sufficiently addressed?
Aye, it's a lovely day down here, 20 degrees later apparently, but yes, I have quite a bit to do now, which isn't Strava related! 🙁
Still a southerly wind, not conducive to a really quick ride home, and one of those irritating days where it was totally still first thing, so no benefit either!
Though sun is shining, looks like a nice day for a fast ride
Ah but how fast, that is the question? 😆
Ah but how fast, that is the question?
Well I always aim for... 😉
Managed to get my average speed up on way in this morning.
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Ah but how fast....
..considerably faster than you 😆
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400!
Mental.