[Closed] Road tyres - GP4000 the best allrounder?

I really like the GP4000S in the Black Chilli rubber, fast, grippy wet and dry and surprisingly durable. I'm no expert, but I run the 25s all year round and completely trust them.

I picked up a pair of GP4000S for £50 on ebay a few months ago (can't remember the name of the shop). They are light, fast and grip well. Personally, I wouldn't recommend them for this time of year as my rear cut up really badly within a month or so and subsequently punctured on a regular basis. I've since switched to gators until the roads clear up.

I've tried a few and ended up sticking with Michelin Krylion Carbon all year round. Cheapish (£22 from CRC), durable and almost as grippy and quick as the pro race 3.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend them for this time of year as my rear cut up really badly within a month or so and subsequently punctured on a regular basis.

I think it depends a bit on where you live. Doesn't seem to be an issue for me in the Peak, but then it's not particularly flinty round here.

I really like the GP4000S in the Black Chilli rubber, fast, grippy wet and dry and surprisingly durable. I'm no expert, but I run the 25s all year round and completely trust them.

Agree with all of that, although I run 23c's

I just got some Planet X model B's and my mate picked me up some GP4000S folding tires (23c) from work. I was suprised how much quicker/faster/lighter they felt my my Fulcrum 7's with standar GP4000's

Yeh deffo get the S's the standard gp4000 is nothing special but the gp4000s is awesome in the wet and dry.

Also, although they're quite low-key about it, the [b]all black[/b] version of the standard GP4000 in 25 size is in fact Black Chilli compound even though there's no 'S' on the name. No idea why, but worth knowing if you're after a Black Chilli tyres with slightly more volume and are confused by the GP4000S being available only as a 23.

I have always preferred Michelins Pro Races to Contis, for some reason the Michelins seem more puncture resistant - my bro has found exactly the same - but other people think the exact opposite.

I agree with RichT the Krylions are really good too, and last longer than the Pro Race 3s, are not quite as sweet, but you can use them as do anything tyres, where I keep my Pro Race 3s for best and use Lithions for training.

Schwalbe Ultremo's IME, DD version if you want even more puncture resistance. GP4000's (black chilli) are good to and although I thought the Michelin Pro 3's were OK they didn't offer any more grip than an Ultremo and wore faster and cut up quicker. Ultremo's are so good I use them as a winter tyre to (the DD version).

Also, although they're quite low-key about it, the all black version of the standard GP4000 in 25 size is in fact Black Chilli compound even though there's no 'S' on the name. No idea why, but worth knowing if you're after a Black Chilli tyres with slightly more volume and are confused by the GP4000S being available only as a 23.

Interesting, I was going to ask you where you managed to find 25's!

The all-black, black chilli "ordinary" GP4000 has been discontinued as a 23.

IMO the contis do cut up. Michelin pro race seem more durable.
I presently run a conti on the rear of my winter bike and it grips well enough. Its sibling was badly holed on an early outing.

Conti gp 4 season?= any good?

Vittoria Pavé.

My choice for year round commuting and winter training. Grip like sh*t to a blanket, wear well enough and are comfy at 24mm.

Use Vittoria Pave on front of winter bike/ contis rear - they do go well - also a bit prone to (superficial) laceration which I find disappointing in a tyre that costs so much. Agree that extra volume is nice.

OP the folk of STW are split into manufacturers camps on this. I can't stand Michelin or Conti, and use Vittorias. Yet I race Contis on my MTB and crosser.
A cheaper option is the Rubino Pro, it's a tyre that's hard to knock. I use Diamant Pros and Paves.

Now more confused than before!

Krylion fan here.

OP - this can get a bit Shimano/Campag BUT I do believe people when they tell me they have fewer punctures on Conti vs Pro Races - I think it comes down to the exact nature of the things that cause punctures in your area and how they interact with the tyre. Have a look on your local roady club forums and see what they use or ask at your LBS.

Or it could just be that Michelin and Vittorio are cool and Contis are for people who blow dogs...

Another vote for Krylions. Used'em for about 3 years with no complaints.

They're grippy like the old Pro Race 2s, but with 20-ish grams of punture protection.

It's funny really, because the ProRaces are obviously superb tyres, but when I raced them on the same old Crit circuit every week I was all over the place. When I put my Vittorias back on I was making ground on the bends. Which leaves me to believe a lot of it iz in your head.
I said I use Paves, but they've worn too quickly. So I'll be using Rubinos as training/mileage tyre from now on.

I like Bontrager tyres - perhaps only because I find them easier to get on and off.

Actually, I have some unused GP4000S 23c I'd like to sell if anyone's interested.

mudshark, how much?

GP4000 23c on my road bike and 4season 32c on the tourer/commuter.

Interestingly, there's that study that shows 25c tyres to be faster rolling s the contact patch is a different shape causuing the sidewalls to deflect less, but then they're ~10% less aerodynamic.

Conti gp 4 season?= any good?

I've been on a set for about 4 months, having been put off Contis by GP3000s which had me on my arse on a wet roundabout, and GP Supersonics which were down to the carcass in 5 weeks.

The 4 Seasons are an excellent tyre though, not showing any signs of wear, been ridden in all kinds of crap (including the odd stint on bridleways etc - certainly not manicured tarmac the whole time!) and a number of turbo sessions. They've got an incomparable amount of grip compared to the Hutchinson Intensives they replaced, which were utter tosh, don't subscribe to the cheap winter tyre thing!

Not as supple as the Hutchinson Fusions I use in summer, but would certainly recommend them as a winter tyre.

It's funny really, because the ProRaces are obviously superb tyres, but when I raced them on the same old Crit circuit every week I was all over the place. When I put my Vittorias back on I was making ground on the bends. Which leaves me to believe a lot of it iz in your head.

I rode in the Pyrenees on Vittoria Evo CXs and they were amazing - proper get your knee down grip coming down Luz Ardiden and Hautacam.

However, 450 miles later they were square.

The ProRaces/Krylions will do 4 times that mileage before they're shot. Of course you lose a bit of grip, but that's the trade off.

So, for the OP, Vittoria = best race tyre. Michelin = my recommendation for 'best allrounder'.

Thisisnotaspoon - Well I paid quite a bit for them but maybe find the cheapest price you can see and then mail me? See profile for address.

I went with the Krylions Carbon in the end. Seemed good reviews, £22 on CRC and they had them in red!

The red ones are for summer use only, didn't anyone ssy?

Another vote for Four Seasons here. I've ridden them in terrible conditions for a month, no punctures, ace grip.

But they look better which is the main thing!

The red ones are for summer use only, didn't anyone ssy?

😀

Maybe that explains my racey tyres anecdote: Vittorias were yellow, and my Krylions are black/grey, so no wonder the Vitt had more grip. 😉

Yellow?

*sharp intake of breath*

You were lucky you had grip on the uphill corners, let alone on the way back down.

Yellow ones are poisonous if you eat them.
Blue are for wet conditions.
Green are for mixed road use.
White are for people from London.