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Having just pulled the summer roadie off the hook for a once over now its (hopefully) drying up, I've spotted the back tyre is down to the canvas.
So what's good at the moment? 25mm* and tubeless.
Currently on first gen Pro One tubeless which have been quite fragile and have given me a few scares on wet tarmac. Prior to that was the original One tubeless which was great (still got them on the winter bike). Otherwise I've always used Conti road tyres, so GP5000 (probably the older TL version) is of interest.
(either way how ****in' much???? Makes MTB tyres look cheap!)
Thanks!
*unfashionably skinny, yes I know. My Garmin tells me I got noticeably slower swapping from 23mm->25mm and I didn't notice any difference in comfort, so I've no desire to go any wider. Yes, I remeasured the rolling radius. Yes, I dropped the tyre pressure a bit more.
Don't know, but trying to make a similar decision with 28c. Also considering Vittoria Corsa, but I find their options bewildering.
If you go for the 1st gen gp 5000 tl be aware that they are pretty hard to fit. And by that I mean near impossible. I tried on 2 wheel sets, decided the tyre must be faulty, ordered another and same issue.
It’s obviously possible but I’m not alone in struggling with them, it’s a well known issue. I have fitted hundreds of tyres in my life and never failed. And if I couldn’t do it in a warm room with an hour to spare, it definitely won’t be coming off at the roadside
Meet model meant to be easier to fit, but like hens teeth to find
My 32mm GP5000s are noticeably gripper and harder wearing than my 28mm Pro Ones. They're more comfortable too, but it's not really a fair comparison as it's different wheels and tyre sizes. Compared to a similar tyre on the same wheelset - the GP5000s are faster, harder wearing, more robust and grippier than my previous Hutchinson Sector 32s.
As someone posted above they are difficult, but not impossible to fit. I can fit them with a pair plastic tyre levers in a few minutes. Rarely (never in my case) would you need to remove them at the roadside. A repair works fine.
I got 2600km out of a rear Pro One and almost 8000km out of a rear GP5000TL - it was down to the canvas, but still not puncturing.
I'd be keen to try the newer, lighter GP5000TL S.
@Daffy - have you had anything like this happen to your GP5000 TLs? Just started appearing on my third one... Conti were good enough to warranty the first two.
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I got similar strakes, but they weren’t that deep - I think you’re almost down to the canvas. Mine started to lose chunks of rubber not long after that.
Having used a few different makes (including Pro Ones) I've settled on Hutchinson Fusion 5 Performance. Easy to fit, fairly light, roll well, decent wear rates and wet grip. Also a lot cheaper than the Contis.
Cheers - there was a fair bit of the TWI dimple left on the surface from what I remember. I was wondering if I was running the pressures too low (55-65 - these are 32s).
I run less than that when the bike isn't laden. Usually 48/50 on 22mm internal width rims and 50/55 with panniers.
Cool - it's not that then. Am glad - they're comfy at lower pressures!
I've currently got 25mm Hutchinsons Galactik's on my good bike. Very light tubeless and fairly cheap.
I've also got GP5000 tubeless on my training bike and they are ok too.
I run GP5000TL 28mm width on my summer bike. Good grip, fast enough and last a full season for me (April to October) around 8000 miles.
Difficulty fitting will be down to the rims. I have no problem fitting them on my Giant carbon rims. The good thing with tubeless is there’s no inner tube to Nick with the tyre lever.
I run GP5000TL 28mm width on my summer bike. Good grip, fast enough and last a full season for me (April to October) around 8000 miles.
Impressive I barely get 5000 km from GP5000 28mms, run them all year round on winter and summer bikes. I get through at least a pair a year, with side wall cuts maybe 5-6 tyres in a year - 2 pairs worn down to TWI markers and 1 or 2 slashed by glass / metal.
I had pro 1's and they cracked badly (wiggle warrantied them). Got gp5000tl and they've been great. I think they have better grip than the Pro1
Can confirm Hutchison are easy to fit. Just put some 28mm fusions on - wouldn’t say they feel as nice as my old GP5000 non tubeless tyres, but decent enough given they were £40 each. Needed quite a bit of sealant to get a seal.
Appreciate it depends on the rims but can anyone tell me how wide their 28mm GP5000 TLs are actually coming up? I’d like to move up from 25 to 28 but my bike reckons it only takes a measured 28 so don’t want to spend a bunch on tires I can’t actually use.
FWIW my wheels (Reynolds AR 41 X DB) have an internal width of 21mm.
I run GP5000TL 28mm width on my summer bike. Good grip, fast enough and last a full season for me (April to October) around 8000 miles
Bloody hell! You weigh in 50kg and put out 100w and I claim my £5. 🙂
I got less than 2k miles out of my first tubeless Pro One even swapping front to back though I think I left it too late to be effective. If I can get 8k miles out of Conti's, they're the bargain of the century.
The GP5000s seem to get bigger after they’ve been fitted for a while. My 32s were around 30.6 when first fitted but are now 32.4mm.
My GP5000TL rear was utterly dead at 8000km. I had about 3 areas where there was about 15mm^2 of canvas showing.
The tyres was also about 80g lighter than the tyres that replaced it and that’s with sealant stuck to it.
If you go for the 1st gen gp 5000 tl be aware that they are pretty hard to fit. And by that I mean near impossible. I tried on 2 wheel sets, decided the tyre must be faulty, ordered another and same issue.
I've fitted dozens and all have gone on easily with just my hands.
I haven't used Pro 1 (I dislike Schwalbe tyres) but I like my 5000TL.
can anyone tell me how wide their 28mm GP5000 TLs are actually coming up? I’d like to move up from 25 to 28 but my bike reckons it only takes a measured 28 so don’t want to spend a bunch on tires I can’t actually use.
Mine measure 28mm exactly on DtSwiss PR1600
Bloody hell! You weigh in 50kg and put out 100w and I claim my £5. 🙂
LOL yes I am a bit weedy with no sprint. 100 watts is a good day for me with fresh legs.
Those are summer miles though. I suppose winter miles have a higher wear rate.
Mine measure 28mm exactly on DtSwiss PR1600
That's useful thanks. Maybe I'll give it a go.
If you go for the 1st gen gp 5000 tl be aware that they are pretty hard to fit.
That's just down to the tyre / rim combo, there's no hard / fast rule.
I suppose winter miles have a higher wear rate.
Interesting question, given the roads are more often wet you might expect lower friction on average, and you're generally putting out less power. On the flip side, more crap on the roads....
Nothing is good at 25mm from experience of fitting them to bikes for the last year. The air pressure is too high and when punctured all the air releases to gquick for the sealant to have effect. 28mm is the minimum I'd say has a chance to work but 30mm is much much better as the pressures are lower so there's longer for the air to force more sealant to the hole.
26c Specialized Turbo Cottons and Turbolito tubes for Summer wheelset
29c Enve SES, set up tubeless for Winter wheelset
If you want easy and tubeless I would have a look at s works turbo rapidairs. The 28s go up with a hand pump on my zipps, roll almost as well as gp5000s, better wear and similar grip, no issues with 1000s of Yorkshire kms in mixed weather.
If I was crit racing tho I would probably have Corsas or the new 5000 TLRs on.
That’s just down to the tyre / rim combo, there’s no hard / fast rule
99% of it is just poor fitting technique. Fitted 2 tyres with just my fingers earlier for someone who had broken 2 tyres levers and spent an hour trying to fit them.