[Closed] Road riders wearing black - why?

rode in the darkness for years in black, tbh it's not as dangerous as you think, fairly easy to avoid cars at night, specically if you don't have any issues with using pavements.

These days I still wear black, but if you don't notice the mj872 i'm using, well, ye probably need yer eyes tested! 😆

If I'd been doing the recommended 50mph,

rode in the darkness for years in black, tbh it's not as dangerous as you think, fairly easy to avoid cars at night, specically if you don't have any issues with using pavements.

Still in my general observations over here in tasmania there are still too many people on bikes who are not aware of road position, upcoming hazards, traffic and being seen. Yes if a car hits them it might not technically be their fault but time to wake up and be responsible. Unless you have some psychic powers your not going to be able to influence the drivers with happy moral high ground thoughts so time to do it with your actions.

Serious q as i dont know

Do cyclist need lights by law if its dark and have to follow the same highway code as cars do

compositepro - Member
Serious q as i dont know

Do cyclist need lights by law if its dark and have to follow the same highway code as cars do

For those that haven't read it it's always worth reading the current version to see whats changed since you last read it (5 mins before driving test?)

Actually if it was law cyclists had to use lights or a road requirement for vehicles surely they would be sold as a standard item fitted to a bike or unremovable as per your car motorcycle truck moped.....so maybe its lawful to ride without having em fitted

Wonder how the plod view it if its dark and you get run over not using illumination

No, you have to have lights on the bike by law when it is dark. You don't during the day

[i]Road riders wearing black - why?[/i]

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Wearing black on the road is symptomatic of the "it'll never happen to me" culture, viz -

1) I wear black because it looks good (read as, I'm incredibly vain);
2) Wearing light or bright colours is gay (read as above, plus not at ease with my sexuality);
3) If I get knocked off by a driver, it won't be my fault (read as, I'm not prepared to take responsibility for my own actions - I can always blame someone else);

It's the same set of factors which drives the "I never wear a helmet because it'll ruin my hair/make me sweaty/look like a nonce/not do any good/I don't ride fast enough to do any damage if I do fall off".

Self preservation is a good thing, as is taking responsibility for your own actions rather than blaming everyone else.

I'm not advocating head to toe flouro, god no; but everything I can do to make myself more visible, I will. White and blue are my choices for daylight riding, but as has already been mentioned, reflectivity and lighting take priority at night.

The ambulance crew on lifting you injured off the road will take more care of you if your wearing black...

I find it harder to understand the opposite tbh, why are people being encouraged to wear it when riding events like the Sky Ride, a completely closed road event with no cars and all participants riding at < 10mph?

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WTF?

On my commute to the station the other morning it was quite foggy. i came upon a cyclist wearing black top and dark jeans. he had reflectors on his panniers and a center light on the back. i past him didnt say anything. he must of got upset that i'd speed past him on my brommie as i heard his gear change and him panting after me. as i waited at the lights he shot past me. Very keen to get back in front!
anyway i told him as i caught him again his rear light wasnt working.'i know i haven't turned it on' was his reply.
i told him that i didnt see him until i was about 5m away and that if a car hadnt had its lights on they wouldnt have seen him until he was bouncing over the bonnet. he looked shocked and a little embarassed!

If I'm riding on my own, and i know I'll be out in low-light conditions (ie 18 hour ride) I'll wear hi-viz.
If I'm out in the dark, I'll make sure I've got scotchlite trim (and bloody bright lights)
And if I'm out in daylight, I'll still wear bright colours, although not neccassarily hi-viz.

When I lived in Cambridge, I passed a woman every day, who only ever wore black (and no helmet) on her bike. The route I'd see her on was an unlit and busy country lane.
One day, she got knocked off, at dusk, by a driver who didn't see her. She died from head injuries. I know it was the drivers fault, and she didn't HAVE to wear hi-viz or a helmet, but if she had...

One day, she got knocked off, at dusk, by a driver who didn't see her. She died from head injuries. I know it was the drivers fault, and she didn't HAVE to wear hi-viz or a helmet, but if she had...

At dusk, she should have had lights on, that may well have made the difference. Not knowing anything about the nature of the injuries she sustained, the speed of the impact, and even knowing all that, in the absence of being highly expert in the physical mechanisms of trauma on the human body, none of us can do anything other than speculate randomly on whether or not wearing a helmet would have made the slightest difference to her outcome.

Apologies if that all seems pretty heartless about someone you sort-of-knew. My sympathies to you for the impact that knowing about this happening to someone you saw riding regularly may have had.

I find it harder to understand the opposite tbh, why are people being encouraged to wear it when riding events like the Sky Ride, a completely closed road event with no cars and all participants riding at < 10mph?

Interesting how well the flouro stands out in the picture

speculate randomly on whether or not wearing a helmet would have made the slightest difference to her outcome.

She died from head injuries. A helmet may not have helped, but its unlikely to have hindered.
I've no particular feelings about this, it frustrated the hell out of me to see her in black with no lights. If I was a heartless soul, I'd say it was darwinian. But ultimatly she was someone's daughter/wife/friend etc and the driver shouldn't have hit her.

Anyway. The solution is that everyone needs more common sense. That's why its called [b]common[/b] sense.

HoratioHufnagel - MemberI find it harder to understand the opposite tbh, why are people being encouraged to wear it when riding events like the Sky Ride, a completely closed road event with no cars and all participants riding at < 10mph?

I guess because that is the cycling gear people own? I wouldn't have thought anybody would go out and buy black kit because the roads will be closed on this ride

Let's be honest, it's a damn site more pleasing to the eye than a slightly tubby, 40 something gnar miester in a selection of baggy, brightly coloured clothing and neon Enduro (special) helmet bombing round bridle paths on their 150mm wonder sled

Talked to death on virtually every motorbike forum in the world. Endless studies cited that it makes no difference what you wear. Endless studies cited that you WILL die if you wear black. Jury's out.

Riding around the local exmoor roads any time other than summer, riders with no lights or brights just disappear in the high contrast shadow light at any time of day. I ride with a rear blinky pretty much all year round, plus just don't feel drivers spot you til they're reacting by braking and swerving unless wearing a flouro gillet at least on a grey day.

Haha [b]steve_b77[/b] you've nailed it!

I really don't understand this trend for having lights on during the day. We've been fine for years without them, I can understand in low light but daylight is pointless.

Lots use them now on TTs ,they are a recommendation from the CTT.The good ones show up very well as I noticed on a wet 25 on a DC course last week

I really don't understand this trend for having lights on during the day. We've been fine for years without them, I can understand in low light but daylight is pointless.

I think a part of it, we have only recently had lights that are worth using in daylight. If you go back to 'n'ever-readies they weren't any good at night let alone in daylight!

I have been known to use something in dark woods, mist/fog but beyond that? I think it is basically an acceptance that despite all the words, there is no protection in law from cars and you take all the steps you can reasonably take to stay safe.

She died from head injuries. A helmet may not have helped, but its unlikely to have hindered.
I've no particular feelings about this, it frustrated the hell out of me to see her in black with no lights. If I was a heartless soul, I'd say it was darwinian. But ultimatly she was someone's daughter/wife/friend etc and the driver shouldn't have hit her.

If you go back far enough, the CTC argued against compulasary rear light i believe. The reason was it was another excuse for drivers not to bother looking where they were going.

So yes maybe if she had lights she would be ok, but she definitely would have been ok if the driver was actually paying attention to driving!

IIRC the RAF switched from using red to using black for their training aircraft because they believed it was easier for their pilots to see and avoid black things than red things - including at high speed/low level against the ground. (obviously for warfighting they camo up)

This parallels the experience of some civvy helicopter operaters who loiter a lot at low levels - they deliberately use black as a high vis colour.

Offshore helo and SAR tend to stick to bright colours though - although their mission profiles are different, but it does tend to suggest that in aviation at least chosing a clour that makes you easily seen by others is not a straightforward task.

I find it harder to understand the opposite tbh, why are people being encouraged to wear it when riding events like the Sky Ride, a completely closed road event

They hand out those hi-viz vests for free at the Sky Rides. They are not compulsory though.

I think in that instance it is as much about branding and advertising as "safety".

Also makes it clear to pedestrians etc that there is a [i]proper[/i] event on, and not just a bunch of really slow cyclists getting in the way. 🙂

If I get knocked off by a driver, it won't be my fault (read as, I'm not prepared to take responsibility for my own actions - I can always blame someone else);

Yes bright clothes at night <edit>[b]in low lit areas[/b]</edit> are sensible but you didn't specifically mention night time.

<edit>it's not even straight forward at night.

#victimblaming

have we done short skirts and rapists yet?

Lots of bright flouro colours go very grey and flat under street lights

I really don't understand this trend for having lights on during the day. We've been fine for years without them, I can understand in low light but daylight is pointless.

And what's the downside? I ride with a saddlerail mounted USB rechargeable LED light. It's visible, runs for 14 hours on flash and weighs next to nothing. I don't tend to ride with a front light flashing, but my kids do on the ride to school.

I also wear black and white. The contrast change is what makes it so visible. Mercifully, our club kit is a respectful blue with red and white. I don't care much for fluoro.