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DGOAB - don't pay attention to cavemen just pay attention to your own body.
Not everyone needs the strict rules enforced by following a regime, or a 'diet' as prescribed in these threads. You're not fat, you enjoy exercise and you don't seem to need the crutch like others may do.
You should probably eat some steak though 😉
[i]Not everyone needs the strict rules [/i]
Which is why the iDave diet and similar, [b]is successful [u]at what it is designed to do[/u][/b].
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Solo - do you think you obsess about your diet a little too much? Or have I misunderstood you?
Post what you like TSY.
I feel I'm among like minded people here on this thread who have an interest in what their bodies do with the food they consume.
I wasn't aware I was upsetting anyone.
I'll be off then.
Could I ask for some advice please? I will be having surgery and off the bike for around 6 weeks, boo hoo. How can I cook some nutritious food with the use of only one arm? I am happy with salad but suspect I will be craving variety.
Thanks in anticipation. 🙂
Yeti - not a nice comment! Pot kettle ... ? 😉
This is blog by Pro Tim Noakes, one of the worlds most respected exercise physiologists, which might be of interest. He's an ultra runner too.
Hi CG,
Just a thought but if you have a freezer & a microwave, why not spend some time pre-op cooking up a whole load of nutritious meals and then freezing them.
Alternatively you can get fairly healthy freefrom "boil in the bag" meals from waitrose etc, that would be simple to re-heat. But not cheap.
Otherwise you just gonna have to get good at holding a knife with your foot and getting your leg up on the worktop! 🙂
CG - there is a series of simple gadgets available for one handed cooking. Perhpas try to get some contact with an occupational therapist who should be able to help
CG, you need someone to pop round and feed you grapes every night...
Also, get some custard, peel banana, dip banana in custard, eat.
I am really pleased with how this thread has turned out. And I am so glad that so many of you have got something out of the discussions.
The bottom line is food is not just food. Many have often labelled it as simply nutrition and whilst this is its primary aim the way it provides this and the affect it has on the body varies massively.
The second key point is that we all must become more familar with what we are eating and why. We must no longer take for granted that food produced for us can do us no harm and that these companies must have tested their products and deemed them safe for consumption. Many of the foods we eat today did not exist in their current form even 10 years ago (such as hydrogenated oils instead of butter). As I eluded to above there is a shift towards whatever is cheapest with no regard for our health.
Knowledge costs nothing and whilst sometimes it may be hard to wade through all the so called evidence if you choose your sources wisely (i.e. not the daily mail) you will find that most learned forward thinking people come to the same conclusions.
And I must reiterate the point earlier that money spent here will be saved and then some in later life.
What do you think a heart disease patient who can barely get out of bed would say to them if I said I could make them healthy again if they could offer me enough money...they would remortgage their house.
Knowledge costs nothing and whilst sometimes it may be hard to wade through all the so called evidence if you choose your sources wisely (i.e. not the daily mail) you will find that most learned forward thinking people come to the same conclusions.
Hmmmmmmmm
Not so sure on that. there is still a lot of divergence in opinion on the role of carbs and fats. the orthodoxy is still that its calories that count no matter the form
However having a good look around and making your mind up on the evidence you can find is a good way to proceed and to think about yor diet as something for life and to take a moderate approach cannot be far wrong
Solo - do you think you obsess about your diet a little too much? Or have I misunderstood you?
this made me think when i read it.
since i started on the idiet, after speaking to both Dave and Solo, i now think that i am starting to get obsessed about my diet.
but, i dont see it as a bad thing, i see it as a very good thing.
cos the reason that you end up 6 stone overweight is by not thinking about the shyte that you put in your body, and the damage that it is doing to you.
so for me, a little bit of being obsessed is fantastic.
and dont go Solo, cos you make a hell of a lot of sense, and also some of us need a bit of help and good advice mate, which you seem to give.
TJ - are you seriously thinking that the 'orthodox view' is correct by default?
ton - you'll find as you get into it you just know what to eat what to avoid and it becomes more chilled. keep up the good work mate.
Well, my inbox is overflowing with offers from STW'ers offering to feed a helpless female. 😉
Yes, I think I need to get organised and may even have to buy a cookery book. Menu planning is the way to go.
Thanks for the replies. 🙂
I have been trying to get my wife to get her head around this.
She is a PT and specialises in the overweight. So is very brainwashed in the current taught way.
She understands and takes on board how this works.
Her one comment that stands out is... People don't understand what they are doing now never mind confusing them even more with a 'new' way of eating.
I think you will have you work cut out Tom
"People don't understand what they are doing now never mind confusing them even more with a 'new' way of eating."
So stick to same old ineffective methods? If she takes this on board and adopts it her business will boom. It works.
Tenuous links between Government/food manufacturers and pharma need to be investigated. Too much self-serving going on.
cynical C_G
Not at all, but changing government policy and big corporations may be a tad tricky and take a long time. I just hope people are up for the fight.
*edit* She works on the NHS weight wise program and delivers a set program.
Great informed thread. Been stumbling towards this over the last year after recognising insulin spikes after carb heavy meals. I've been a heavy carb user for years as a (mostly) vegan. I guess soya in its natural state is OK but soya milk + other manufactured products isn't great?
My previous experience of riding on no intake has been hideous bonks. Is this a hangover from physiological conditioning to expect loads of carbs?
Thanks for the input onto the thread.
My previous experience of riding on no intake has been hideous bonks. Is this a hangover from physiological conditioning to expect loads of carbs?
I would say almost certainly so.
I certainly hope so anyway, otherwise my current carb restriction and horrid bonks will have been in vain!
horrid bonks
And yet you're still getting married 😉
Well I used to suffer terribly from bonking and you would naturally think the solution would be to take on more carbs during exercise. However since going low carb, I've not suffered this at all. But up until this point I hadn't even twigged that I had stopped bonking. But thinking about it it makes perfect sense as my blood sugar levels are now so much more stable.
Quick question. Now that we have established what types of food to eat/avoid, what do people actually eat on a low carb diet? Looking for some meal ideas, and preferably one-handed ones for the benefit of CG!
Mal - if you are having trouble with bonks riding on nothing have a handful of nuts before you go out. It will at the very least put something in your stomach that should be enough to fool the body into thinking energy is imminent.
For the record I eat almost all my food one handed.
Lots of salads - if anyone says salads are boring I charge them to try one of my salads, I'm no chef but I think they are pretty good!
curries (made of course with all natural ingredients and tonnes of cream , yum)
Mushroom stroganoff
Casseroles, stews,
Meat and veg, lots of red meat. Venison goes down very well.
Sausages made from cows I've seen walking around the fields and produced by a proper butcher.
The list is literally endless. Remember that most of our foods are low carb but we add carbs to them. Potatoes, rice, pasta etc.
Something I should add about paleo living, for me anyway, is that it's about so much more than just fat loss, which for me has been fantastic. It's about what you are putting into your body and how you feel. The ingredients list on many so called healthy foods is quite frightening in my eyes these days. I prefer to buy foods that don't need to come with a label, at least you know you're getting something natural that way.
But yes, it did push me through a weight plateau of 14 stone and 20% odd body fat to a current weight of 12 stone 12lbs and 8.9% bodyfat. Intermittent fasting has been the key to that for me, and that would be a whole other conversation in itself!
C'mon Solo... come back. It was an honest question and it's fine to obsess over your diet if that's what you want to do. Maybe you should consider a career move?
😯Intermittent fasting has been the key to that for me
Slight digression as that is really not right IMO, and is a good step on the way to developing a proper eating disorder.
What I really want to know is how many people come to Paleo diets and 'diets' in general from a healthy weight?
What would be gained from following one of these diets if you're not overweight?
What is the benefit of ditching chocolate, bread and fruit if you can eat these with no impact on your weight?
Or do slimmer people make healthier diet choices by default?
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Well I used to suffer terribly from bonking and you would naturally think the solution would be to take on more carbs during exercise. However since going low carb, I've not suffered this at all. But up until this point I hadn't even twigged that I had stopped bonking. But thinking about it it makes perfect sense as my blood sugar levels are now so much more stable.Quick question. Now that we have established what types of food to eat/avoid, what do people actually eat on a low carb diet? Looking for some meal ideas, and preferably one-handed ones for the benefit of CG!
Meal wise, the best thing you could do is get a slow cooker. Mine is used nearly every day and it's deadly easy to stay organised with one.
Example of meals.. Today I have:
3 chicken thighs wrapped in cabbage, beetroot, a fried egg and half an avocado for lunch.
When I get home from work I will have rabbit stew that I put in the slow cooker this morning.
If i'm eating breakfast which only really happens on training days, it's generally 2 fried eggs, bacon and some of whatever vegetables I have lying about at the time.
I'm sure folk on here and probably registered there but for meal inspiration and general paleo/primal info, Marks Daily Apple is the forum I would go to.
Why so shocked Yeti? Everyone fasts when they are asleep, i just extend mine by a further few hours to give me a 16 hour fasting, 8 hour eating window to get my calories in which tends to be 2400 or so on rest days, and 3600 on training days.
Edit - as I bagged the 300th post and this thread is about trying to lose weight...
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Sorry Stralfur I know of people who do fast but will take it to 24 or 48 hours. They also go on weight management forums like www.prettythin.com . That forum knows all about how to get super skinny.
Skinny is not my intention, healthy and somewhat ripped is. Obviously my training is based around this and curiously, I'm forever setting pb's when fasted. I find 16 hours is perfect for me, though I do a 24 hour fast around once a month just to mix it up.
I eat a huge amount of food in the two meals I do have, certainly far more than the people who keep telling me I'm starving myself.
that prettythin website scares me, seen so many lives, families and friendships destroyed by eating disorders 🙁
Tell me about it Philly 🙁
Fat is better than stick thin.
Staralfur - be careful dude.
yeti....how much do you weigh, if you dont mind me asking.
Stick thin is grim, definitely a sign of the times though when it's socially unacceptable to be thin, being overweight is just the norm now in my opinion. Far too many people, women especially hiding behind this 'curvy is healthy' ideal, when they are far from curvy, they're just a fat mess.
Thanks for your concern Yeti, I love food too much to go down that other road though! Merely my own way of getting better food into me, and getting the most benefit from it.
When I was a chubster myself I used to tell people I was half bulemic, just kept forgetting to be sick 😀
ton - not at all.
11st 8lb this morning. Heaviest I've ever been is 13st. Probably lost 50% fat 50% muscle.
I'm not fat, but I am interested in all this. I know people who've lost large amounts of weight through conventional diets, through iDiet and through prettythin diets.
I think the obvious thing to bear in mind here is that the paleo/primal lifestyle is the oldest human diet there is. I was dismayed to hear a PT at the gym describe it as a fad diet on Tuesday evening while also advising my girlfriend that she should eat less eggs and more wholemeal bread!
yeti, how would you know that it is better to be fat than thin.
seriously 11.8stone must be stick thin.
ton - go and read stuff on pretty thin... watch programs on people with anorexia. Talk with someone who's a little overweight and someone who is hellbent on becoming critically underweight. Try and rationalise with someone who purges.
My BMI is 23.1, I'm far from stick thin.
Assuming that's an online BMI reading? ie - not worth a shite. According to the onlineones I am only just barely into the healthy weight range, but it doesn't take muscle mass into account.
staralfur - yes, but it provides a rough view of how 'skinny' someone might be.
Could someone with a BMI of 25 ever actually be skinny??
You're not too far away from 25 and you sound pretty thin, so possibly?
A true bodyfat reading done with calipers is the only way to know for sure I guess.
TSY - you won't think fat is better than thin when you get to Mow Cop on Sunday
You're not too far away from 25 and you sound pretty thin, so possibly?
but it doesn't take muscle mass into account.
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Bodyfat calipers can't measure the fat that is sat around your organs though... and rely on one of a variety of algorithims to make an estimate of your bodyfat.
The mirror test is the best IMO. Hip to waist ratios are pretty telling too.
TSY - you won't think fat is better than thin when you get to Mow Cop on Sunday
😆 hence why I've been doing 20 miles every morning this week on sod all food.
I was dismayed to hear a PT at the gym describe it as a fad diet on Tuesday evening while also advising my girlfriend that she should eat less eggs and more wholemeal bread
That's because its what they have been taught by 'experts'
Star, not many people on here have enough muscle mass to skew BMI that far.
Ton your not *that* fat, in my wife's work she deals with people who are so large they can only do chair based exercise to start with.
One lady was 5ft 3 and 26 stone.