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19lbs without pedals.
Bring your funky stand/scales thing along on the 29th and I can at least check it on the same thing you weighed yours, just so I know for sure.
Gladly! I doubt Kryton can resist the urge anyway!
Thank god I never weighed the el mariachi rohloff I had 🙂
[i]My MTB is probably over 35 lbs. Keeps you fit, I say. [/i]
Wears you out more likely 🙂
My 456Ti has put on the best part of 5lbs since I moved from the Home Counties to the Scottish Borders.
Main 'culprits' are; heavier tyres, XTR replaced by XT (breakages became unaffordable), bigger rotors, dropper and normal seat (replaced I-Beam).
But still 26.5lbs for a 20" frame c/w pedals, crud-catcher and Muckynutz.
Ramsey Neil - Member
Why do people weigh bikes as 32.5lbs instead of 32lbs7ozs or if you want to use decimal points 12.7kgs etc . One of those silly things that irritate me .
Because .5 of a pound is 8oz not 7?
Cannondale Trigger 1 alloy 29. 33lb. Feels very light most the time. Biiiig though.
Mine (Hemlock with new Pikes, 1x10 and a mixed bag of everything else) just weighed in at 27.3lbs on my Super Accurate £1 Ebay Scales. Will be a bit less with the new crabonz. But when I alp it in August it'll weigh as much as my car.
Of the 3 current bikes
Santa Cruz Blur LTc factory spec weighed in as expected/quoted (medium)
Santa Cruz Blur LTc custom builds both came up right based on manufacturers quoted weights for parts
Santa Cruz Tallboy factory spec came up as quoted (medium)
So fairly happy with all that, if your doing a parts list weight make sure you include everything.
my covert weighs in at 31.4lbs on my fishing scales. medium frame, 160mm pikes solo air, renthal bar and stem, xt 1x10, flow ex, hans dampf, reverb, nano tech pedals.
Its a bit of a moving goalpost really...I tried building a 26lb FS bike (a Camber, no less) because I already had a 33lb AM bike.
The Camber was - is - ace, but the flimsy Spesh S-Works tyres tore virtually every outing and swapping from Crank Bros pedals to something fit for purpose increased the weight a tad. I now have a 28ish lb XC bike that lives up to the initial promise.
Thing is... you've got a heavy frame, heavy wheels, average forks, run of the mill groupset. That's not a light build! Foam grips and a KCNC stem do not a weight weenie build make!
Totally, the frame is a bit crazy, it's heavier than the old Scandal it replaced, plus the fat PF30 bottom bracket adapter. Quite what makes it S-Works I'm not sure.
My point was more than 27 pounds isn't hugely heavy, middleweight sort of XC bits on a hardtail comes to roughly that sort of figure. I'm 6'6" and 15 stone, the last time I had a bike lighter it was rubbish, Stans 355 rims didn't work at my weight 😛
My 5 used to weigh under 27, now it's about 28 or so (using fish scales, no not that kind).
The current Patriot weighs 30-31 which is fine up hills (since going tubeless), wouldn't want to go any heavier though. The one it replaced was coil sprung and had cheaper stuff, and weighed 37lbs. That was just too heavy for climbing, not helped by the 180mm non-wind-down fork.
My bike when its clean is about 27 lbs 3ish, probably about 30 in its natural mucky state and probably about 40/50/60 when I've got tents and stuff attached! Actually, think I'll weigh that at the weekend before I set off, now ye mention it!
Genesis core 40
and for the real world weights (without pedals)
The Blur LTc's go at
27.7 on the missus bike (32's, reverb and next cranks 1x10)
28.6 on mine with 34's Avalanche cart, 1x10, tubeless etc.
The tallboy is 25.65 out the box with X01
My Salsa Horesthief 3 (base spec) with a Reverb is 15kg/33lbs
Definitely at the heavier end of the ....scale....
But solid, goes down hill great and doesn't break much.
even this thread thread 'real world bike weights' has more than it's fair share of dodgy claims.
'weighed without pedals'
'using bathroom scales'
'i [u]reckon[/u] once i've done X, it'll be under...'
etc.
hardtail; 30+ lbs
FS; 32 lbs
road bike; 24 lbs
Newbie question - how much does weight really matter anyway, except if you race competitively?
Say you have a bike that's 10kg and another that's 15kg. That would appear to be a difference of 50 percent extra weight.
But when you're trying to accelerate the bike, or ride uphill, isn't the weight actually being moved the bike's weight AND your weight. So if I'm 85kg, the combined weights would be 95kg vs 100kg, which is less than 5 percent difference.
Or doesn't it work that way? Help me understand....
my yeti sb66 weighs a decent amount
my giant tcr advanced weighs not very much
my cannondale scalpel carbon 1x10 650b weighs naff all.
the scalpel build is just finished and i will posting up a build thread just as soon as i get it on the scales. i think i managed to snip about 1,300g off the standard build which is posted as sub 23lbs, so it will be interesting to see which side of 20lbs it falls on (my money is on over 20lbs)
18" Stanton Slackline Ti with coil forks, flows, tubeless 2.4"/2.2" tyres, flat pedals etc - 25.1 lbs.
Difference between this and the steel frame it replaced is most noticeable in the air and when flying DH, not necessarily when climbing etc.
Well I was looking at buying a used transition 120mm travel 29er with burly build a bit back and owner said its about 28lbs which seems kinda odd when my new carbon rigid weighs almost 26lbs 😉
So I guess I'm the only one who adds a couple of Kilo's to the bikes weight?
If someone asks I'll say 16-17kg, its actually 14-15kg, but I don't like to look totally unfit when I'm the last uphill. 😉
FTR, that claimed 21.6lbs on my 2x10 is with pedals (A600) and a Reba fork.
It feels light when you lift it by hand but remains remarkably composed at speed. I thought it might feel flighty or skippy or however a light bike is supposed to behave, but it's actually very solid. I have, as one STWr once put, learned to 'skim the gnar', the result of riding a rigid hybrid over all sorts of terrain for the last 7 years. Before that it was a 29.4lbs soggy-arsed Attack Trail - sod that!
Asr 5 with f120's, Thompson ally post & stem, Thompson carbon bars 2 x 10 XT and crests on hopes - 26.5lbs
Enigma ti ht 2x 10 XT, SIDS AC wheels, carbon post, Thompson stem and raceface bars 24lbs - although spending £200 on stem, bars and qr's on xcracer would drop nearly 1/2lb off that 😯
Id like to test the former on njees scales also.... 😀
I know that I trot this one out every time that bike weight is discussed, but it illustrates why we shouldn't get so hung up about it...
Back in my newbie days at Thetford, I happened upon a small group of blokes all huddled around their exotic looking bikes. One in particular stands out, he was roughly fifteen stone and perched atop a monstrously expensive fully rigid that he claimed weighed under twenty pounds. Anyway, we all set off along the old Headcracker route at thirty second intervals and it's fair to say that I caught up with the bloke on the rigid pretty quickly. My Spesh Enduro at the time weighed in at about 31lb but it was pretty obvious that the bloke in front was slowed by his choice of bike.
Anyway, we got to the end of the route and he celebrated by sparking up a fag. I often wonder how fast he'd been had be been a non-smoker on a mid range full suss bike.
I remember an optimistic Anthem, metal, triple XT groupset, 22lbs or sommat.Thing is that I'm sure a lot of people quoting weights have genuinely weighed it at their quoted weight (does that make sense!?), it's just some innaccurate scales
I own the optimistic Anthem and I remember you being sceptical about it 🙂
It's a bit heavier these days due to 120mm forks, but I just went out and weighed it - 23.7lbs with pedals and an original crud race guard on it. As you say, it may be the scales, but it's a little heavier than the spreadsheet of component weights says it should be, so I don't think it's far out.
Bronson c 150mm both ends 26.62 inc pedals, HR2 tyres, XT brakes, no dropper (yet). As above its not the bike its 90% rider
Define 'real world MTB weights'? = its just the bike you ride
Just dropped a kilo off mine with a hosepipe and Muc-Off. Now the fun of putting it all back on again…
Other than absolute bike weight you need to look at how that weight is distributed both between components (frame, wheels, etc) and across the bike as a whole. I've two bikes that superficially are roughly the same weight, well within a kilogramme of each other - not enough to tell just by picking up, yet the bike that is "lighter" actually feels heavier as the weight distribution is skewed towards the back end.
To occamsrazor: the distribution of weight between components can have a big impact on how a bike feels to ride. A light frame with heavy wheels will ride differently to a heavy frame with light wheels. This is perhaps the most extreme example as you are trading "static" mass for "rotational" mass. Heavy wheels, especially heavy rim/tyre combinations, will accelerate more slowly than a lighter set up but will be more stable. A lot of quite expensive road bikes (even up to £2K) have pretty cheap stock wheelsets as the manufacturers put the build cost in to the frame and components knowing that most road cyclists will change the wheels as the first upgrade. So even though the bike is only a small part of the overall mass moving along the road/trail, it's the physics of how that mass reacts that gives the impression of being light/heavy, lively/dull, good/bad, whatever.
Within reason (undefined term), the absolute weight of a bike isn't that important. If you weigh two bikes using the same weighing device then all you can say is that one is lighter than the other. If one bike is a full on DH rig and the other an XC racer then there really isn't much point in comparing them but if both are XC machines and one is 5Kgs heavier then it's worth investigating where the difference comes from and does the extra weight give any advantages.
Carbon Stumpjumper FSR - 28lbs
Carbon Stumpjumper HT - 19.5lbs (with 100mm forks, 3x9 & inner tubes, natch)
And at totally opposite ends of the scale:
Tarmac SL4 - 16lbs
Rock Combo - 33lbs
The FSR is the only one that gets ridden on any kind of regular basis.
My fairly stock Orange Alpine weighed in at 15.8 kg (34.7lbs) but now I've fitted a KS i7 and stuck a single ply Minion DHF on the back instead of the (utterly terrible) Nobby Nic and gone tubeless so I guess it's a bit heavier. Switching to Dual Ply Minions F&R so it'll be heavier again.
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Cotic soul built up as light as possible without being silly is bang on 24lbs (10.9kg) with dropper. Tbh the front feels a little skittish with WC Sids and mavic 717s, waiting for a good deal on some revs or 36 floats to pop up and trying to work out if i can swap my rims for LB carbons without changing the spokes.
06 S-Works enduro is 32.2lbs with coil front and rear, plain guage spokes/DT5.1s, dropper but otherwise p light but strong kit. Plenty of room for improvemnt but this was a cost sensitive project and its really made for pointing down ^^
All weighed on park scales, i think a decent frame and sensible component choice can save alot of weight each little bit ads up real fast so if you can save 50g somewhere by spending another 5er or going S/H its definatly worth it, i mean the soul could be under 10kg if it was a carbon frame and seatpost and i didnt spend more than 2k on it. The enduro was a SH build and came in jsut over 1k and weighs alot less than some weights i see posted here v0v
06 S-Works enduro is 32.2lbs with coil front and rear, plain guage spokes/DT5.1s, dropper but otherwise p light but strong kit. Plenty of room for improvemnt but this was a cost sensitive project and its really made for pointing down ^^
I reckon your scales are out. My 06 enduro with air forks and shock, no dropper post, and dt5.1 rims weighs in at 34.5lb. Mine is not an sworks, but that would prob account for half a pound.
After a year or so of fiddling (with the Bike!!) and spec swapping, i've found the sweet spot for my trusty [s]Enduro[/s] Mountain Bike. It's light enough to be strong, and strong enough to be light. If i go any lighter then the durability would definitely suffer:
Zesty 714 (2013) running in "spicy" mode at 160mm both ends with CCdbair, reverb, 1x10 (XX1 cranks/32T, Placy Nukes, OneUp42T + XT cassette, XTR shadowmech) Havoc carbon bars, R1 brakes (203/180) Mavic ST + HDs in Supergravity flavour.
My scales say 13.00kg, a friends set say 13.05kg, and my LBS set says 12.95kg, so we'll call it a 13kg / 28.6lb average! I'd say that's bang on the money for a modern capable [s]Enduro[/s] Mountain Bike with that much capability.
Right now, all i'm thinking about doing is a Fork change, that will probably add a little weight but bring better composure on the rough stuff 😉
Some back of the fag packet on line guess work suggested my Shan ( lyriks, XTR 1x10, hope x2evo, UST x-kings on 819, dropper post) should be about 26 and a bit pounds, which I thought was unlikely, in my head its nearer the 30lbs mark. But then I read maxtorques Zesty weights and I'm not so sure!
My do a proper weigh in tonight
julians - Member
06 S-Works enduro is 32.2lbs with coil front and rear, plain guage spokes/DT5.1s, dropper but otherwise p light but strong kit. Plenty of room for improvemnt but this was a cost sensitive project and its really made for pointing down ^^
I reckon your scales are out. My 06 enduro with air forks and shock, no dropper post, and dt5.1 rims weighs in at 34.5lb. Mine is not an sworks, but that would prob account for half a pound.
Dont think so mate same scales weighed my naked soul frame @ 2.1kg which is bang on the higher side of the estimated weight v0v Does have carbon bar, butcher/purg controll tyres and ti coil and bolts though which will account for a bit...
I reckon your scales are out. My 06 enduro with air forks and shock, no dropper post, and dt5.1 rims weighs in at 34.5lb. Mine is not an sworks, but that would prob account for half a pound.
That's the thing innit, you don't know the group set, finishing kit, tyres etc, can easily lose 2lbs there. My seatpost and saddle (obviously not a dropper) is 270g, my bar and stem is 215g. You can easily lose a pound over other setups in those bits.
Or even a saddle. My favourite saddle is Saevid S1.2 at 72g, saving some 200g or close to half pound over a 'normal' saddle. As mentioned a good foam grip is 100g lighter than lock ons. Even the length of your steerer becomes an aggregate weight...but it does depend on what you do and how strong you are as to whether it really matters between reasonable limits say 26lb-32lb. Too light for gravity stuff and it gets more difficult to make std suspension work effectively etc..some weights on here do make me raise an eyebrow and draw a gentle smile...
That's the thing innit, you don't know the group set, finishing kit, tyres etc, can easily lose 2lbs there. My seatpost and saddle (obviously not a dropper) is 270g, my bar and stem is 215g. You can easily lose a pound over other setups in those bits.
Yep agree, but even if the finishing kit was 2 lb lighter than the stuff I have on mine, theres still the fact that toms enduro has coil fork, coil shock, and a reverb seatpost, whereas mine as air shock, air fork , and regular seatpost, so it should even out. Its all a bit vague without the actual specs of each component to see where the 'lightness' is coming from, but I am very surprised that you can get an 06 enduro with coil fork,coil shock and reverb seatpost down to 32lb or so.
Hell, my Ibis mojo HD with coil fork, ccdb air, reverb, carbon rims, carbon bars, 1 x 10 gears, tubeless tyres, is only 1 lb lighter than that enduro.
If theres a chunk of weight I can get off my Ibis without changing the things that make it what it is I'm all ears. On the other hand maybe my scales are weighing on the heavy side.
Steve1 - would be interesting to do a direct build comparison between our bikes as mine is a 16" running air forks and yet we both seem to have the same weight?
Surprised my 2x9 Meta AM was only 33lbs with air lyriks,180/203 Zee brakes, Pro 2 Flows and Reverb.
Some don't believe my old 1x9 rockhopper is only 23lbs "because its just a rockhopper", but virtually everything had been replaced on it over the years. Seems pretty easy to get that weight for a HT with normal kit as long as the frame is light to start with. Anything much lighter and things must start to get expensive.
Worth noting that last year, whilst i had my whole bike stripped for a frame change, i took all the parts to work and measured the mass of each bit individually on their 0.1g scales which get calibrated every 6months, so the entire bike mass should be +-10g or so at absolute worst. Back then, the bike was running light tyres, in 140mm mode with a 2x10 XT/XTR drivetrain, and this was the result:
Stripped like this:
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Masses like this:
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Since then, i've beefed it up, and gone 160mm, and that change has cost me pretty much about 1kg extra (most of that being in the tyres)
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(and gone 1by in the drivetrain dept)
@maxtorque, that's excellent, I love a pie chart lol.
Planning a strip and repaint of mine this winter so will do the same.
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Just managed to pip the OHs bike to the the post by 0.1 of a pound! Woohoo!
some weights on here do make me raise an eyebrow and draw a gentle smile...
I didn't take this personally, but in the interests of clarity can we not adopt the non-bike related discussion technique of cut and paste used by Junkyard et al highlighting who, exactly, is being referred to. Gives them a chance to provide evidence, surely.
You sound like an artistic Roger Moore using those terms, btw... 😉
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This last time I checked was 29lb on my "happy scales" but I've added a reverb and fitted lighter cranks & pedals since then so it's till there or thereabouts.
This on the same scale is 39lbs
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And that's fulll on 5 weeks in the Alps spec. Does have a few Ti bits on it mind but I could still loose some weight if I went for carbon rims or even Flows.
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I do like the Optimistic Weight Thing. I had a Last Herb DH which was pretty well weightweenied other than the coils, it was high 30 somethings, I forget. Mate of mine had the same bike, with heavier forks, heavier wheels, heavier tyres... Heavier pretty much everything except from the drivetrain, which was exactly the same. But it was, on his magic scales, 3 lbs lighter than mine. The reason. "Size small innit".