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I struggle with long sentences other than to say that I never consider my dogs to be a 'lifestyle choice'.
So why do you have dogs then? Are they working dogs? For security purposes? To help you with a disability?
Or do you just own them because you 'can'?
If the latter, they are simply a lifestyle choice, nothing more, no matter what your subjective view is. I'm not judging you or suggesting that your choice to own a dog is 'wrong', just pointing out the reality of the situation.
I don't know why the reasons for dog ownership are particularly relevant to this particular discussion. Working dog, blind dog or handbag dog - they shouldn't be on mountain bike trails at a mountain bike trail centre.
(although a handbag dog will probably be less of a problem - their little bones would almost certainly crumble under the weight of a bike and rider)
devs - Member
Very good patriot pro.If you'd like to be quiet now whilst the adults talk, I'd quite like to hear what they have to say.Thanks but I don't accept compliments from people who wear bee-suits whilst walking their muts down dedicated biking trails and think it is clever, (it is not btw).
That angry buzzing noise again...
[i]stoofus[/i] piled upon the little dog's collar the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole trail centre brethen, from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a hot brake disc, he burst his tubeless tyres in a crash trying to avoid the little dog.
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devs - Member
Interesting to hear that people riding thousands of pounds worth of bike for fun, in their own time, consider dogs to be a luxury lifestyle choice.
So now you're comparing dogs to bikes...you must be trolling.
So now you're comparing dogs to bikes...you must be trolling.
Which explains why he takes his dog with him to trail centres. Bikes, dogs, boats, horses. All essentially the same thing.
Wouldn't the same logic prevent my dog going to the pub. That's a purpose built facility after all...
Based on that I reject your logic and will replace with common sense...
unklehomered - Member
Wouldn't the same logic prevent my dog going to the pub. That's a purpose built facility after all...Based on that I reject your logic and will replace with [s]common [/s] [b]dog owner non-[/b]sense...
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think you mean
Based on that I reject your logic and will replace with [s]common dog owner non-sense[/s] decisions based around things I don't understand so must be wrong...
Replace 'dog' with 'mountain biker', and 'trails' with 'footpath'. And all the arguements on this thread sounds really familiar...
Wouldn't the same logic prevent my dog going to the pub. That's a purpose built facility after all...Based on that I reject your logic and will replace with common sense...
Just when I thought devs took the crown, we get this - a direct comparison of pubs and trail centres...
Stoofus, I'd generally agree with you with the exception of family trails where people should not be barrelling along at a speed where they could not stop if a kid ran out in front.
Had a little Napoleon blast past me yesterday on the G'tress Green trail towing a kid. We had 3 adults, 5 kids and 2 dogs - there was no way he could have stopped if any of them had fallen or run in front of him. He had the cheek to shout agressively (first at my wife before I stepped in) about a dog further back on the trail that had almost run in front of him bfore complaining that my dogs should be under control. When I pointed out that they are (they were sitting where I'd asked them to stay), he stated the usual response from an non-dog owner "they should be on a lead"...FFS
IMO the trails are there for the enjoyment of all of us, just because we ride them does not mean we own them or have the right to police them.
Just when I thought devs took the crown, we get this - a direct comparison of pubs and trail centres...
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Posted 10 minutes ago # Report-Postunklehomered - MemberJust when I thought devs took the crown, we get this - a direct comparison of pubs and trail centres...
unkleh - is that you coming to your senses and realising that walking dogs on bike-trails is barking-mad...(punnage)
Knew we'd get there in the end. 😆
No, just realising that we're argueing different points, and all said I'm not really bothered. I have not seen one comment from someone who takes their dog on trails which makes me think they shouldn't. A few who people who go on the trails with out a dog that makes me glad they don't ride trails near me.
But I won't change your mind, you won't change mine. One day I may try and train a dog to run with the bike, and if I'm satisifed he sufficiently trained, and some test rides go well, I will take him riding places with me. Not all the time because you do have to split your attention between trail and dog, but dogs are pack animals, and if you don't intend to include it in your life you shouldn't have one.
In the meantime my hound goes trailbuilding with me. No rider passing an area we're working on has ever complained, most of them stop to make a fuss of him. He tends to be the best behaved dog there (yes, several dogs on the trail, and not even moving, often just lying down - and the sky hasn't fallen in. Madness.)
I took my parent's dog down whistler, no problems.
He's pretty fast though mind.
I apparently can't view the above video in my country,but I guess it doesn't feature a dog being mangled beneath the wheels of a bike ?
Its all good when its a clean run but how would you feel if your dog was seriously injured after being innocently led onto these busy trails ? not to mention the other rider? could you blame anyone but yourself ? Is it fair to put either party under such risks?
I love dogs and love to see them running free like this ,sometimes I take my brothers staffy out and due to her nature she should be on lead at all times in public places.
Sure I could say eff it and let her off but I choose to respect others rights I could never comprehend letting her run the trails for her sake and yours.
I'd fully understand and expect anyone to be pissed with me after an accident a dog under my control caused I'd expect a smack in the gob and and with the shoe on the other foot would also hand one out ! This risks are there up to you to take them or not.
Are Forestry commission fire roads, trail centres and the cycle trails therein covered by the Highway Code?
If yes then shouldn't dogs be on short leads?
"it is important to note that references to ‘road’ therefore generally include footpaths, bridleways and cycle tracks, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways."
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Dogs. Do not let a dog out on the road on its own. Keep it on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders.
Everyone with strong opinions against dogs at trail centres either never actually ride or are completely spineless in real life. I've taken my dog to Afan several times and people only ever fuss over him and tell me what a nice dog he is. No one has ever suggested that he shouldn't be there, even when he begs them for some flapjack/crisps/marsbar.
spectabilis speaks sense.
hexhamstu - Member
Everyone with strong opinions against dogs at trail centres either never actually ride or are completely spineless in real life.
When you have stopped hallucinating, have a read of the full thread.
Why would anyone want to read the whole thread?
Cos they are trying to sleep and do not have a metallurgy book to hand.
I take my dog on the roads too. He does exactly like he does at trail centres, runs next to my back wheel. A policeman stopped me once, he said I looked ridiculous in my bike clobber and that I should grow up and start acting my age. Didn't even mention the dog who was sat at heel. I told him to **** right off the donut munching fat bastard. Ok so I know him from rugby. A well controlled dog is far less of a danger at trail centres than a lot of the riders there. It's all down to acting responsibly. If my pooch wasn't so well behaved he wouldn't be there. It's a shame that the same rules don't apply to people.
A well controlled dog is far less of a danger at trail centres than a lot of the riders there
TRU DAT.
, have a read of the full thread
Just scan reading the last half page makes me think i would rather crush my knackers in a vice.
hexhamstu - MemberEveryone with strong opinions against dogs at trail centres either never actually ride or are completely spineless in real life. I've taken my dog to Afan several times and people only ever fuss over him and tell me what a nice dog he is. No one has ever suggested that he shouldn't be there, even when he begs them for some flapjack/crisps/marsbar.
Yep, as usual this place brings out all the muppets who call other people spineless from behind a keyboard. I for one have a big problem with out of control dogs anywhere. Not just trail centres. But while we are on the subject, why would you bother. There are trails everywhere where you and your dog can have a good blast without the fear of fast bikes plowing round a corner. Yep your dog may be well behaved but you cannot account for his / her every move.
And lets be honest, your dog may be the best behaved pooch ever but do you trust the other bikers to avoid him / her 🙂
Surprises are always fun when you are shredding the gnar to the power of max!
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My dog loves trail riding, and nails it as well! The same as many of my dog partnered riding mates, bridle ways what ever. I dont take him to trails so often, but when I do, I usually see other dogs.
I agree a badly trained dog could cause an accident, but then so could a badly trained mountain biker!
If you ride around a corner quickly, as we all do, then theres always a possibility of hitting something, Ive had Badgers and foxes run out on me, SHOULD WE BAN FOXES AND BADGERS FROM TRAIL CENTRES AS WELL?? The climax trail in Machynlleth has a wild ram, that stands about 4 foot tall at the shoulders and has foot long horns! Good luck if you run into him 😛
Heres a video of me a mate and the dogs having fun 😀
Yep, as usual this place brings out all the muppets who call other people spineless from behind a keyboard.
I notice you didn't leave a real name and address for the muppets to contact you for discussion. Ooh the ironing.
can anyone be bothered to count how many dog owners have posted a 'I agree with you if you mean a badly trained dog, but mine is so well trained he won't take a crap without permission'
get a grip, it's a wild animal, unless it is on a lead you can't guarantee it is under control
can anyone be bothered to count how many dog owners have posted a 'I agree with you if you mean a badly trained dog, but mine is so well trained he won't take a crap without permission'
my count to that is none... 1 if you bend one's person's words a bit.
If they're are wild as you imply a lead makes very little difference to the level of control...
I wouldnt take my dogs to a trail centre, seems rude....people in one place solely to ride bikes dont want my two Jack Russells getting in the way and i understand that.
However on equal access land like the Surrey Hills, Swinley, Ceasars Camp which are all local to me and open to cyclists, horse riders, walkers, dogs etc then people can take a running jump if they dont like it....plenty of things i dont like on a daily basis but have to poke up with, thats life.
get a grip, it's a wild animal
Oh those poor blind people, all being savaged and dragged across the road after cats and that. What a stupid idea to use those wild animals instead of trained domesticated ones. 🙄
This thread is good value 🙂
Must admit, I didn't have a grumble at said Patriot owner when I nearly ran his little terrier over at FOD. I suppose I could have sprinted after him, but with his bloody dog veering all over the place it was quite difficult catching him.
I've come up with another theory. Bet the guys who ride with trail dogs very rarely get passed and think they are super gnarly fast. Thats because your faithful hound is acting a bit like one of those mine things from Mario kart.
And seriously, when at speed how do you know whether you well trained dog is in and out of the bushes / cutting corners / nearly causing issues for faster riders? (unless you're Amber's owner - cool vid)
Comparing trail dogs [i]deliberately[/i] being led down trail centres to deer / badgers / foxes is missing the point.
devs - MemberYep, as usual this place brings out all the muppets who call other people spineless from behind a keyboard.
I notice you didn't leave a real name and address for the muppets to contact you for discussion. Ooh the ironing.
Email is in profile if u want to chat, ill happily email you or anybody else my number. 🙂
Do people have wild dogs in the UK these days? Wow, much has changed since I left. Have all the humans stopped raping and murdering each other yet then?