Punctures observed during a mass event

Well if you hadn’t passed them you’d be out all day…..

There were a lot, weren't there? I'm guessing it's b/c it was wet and noticed there was a lot of debris. I was running tubeless, and seemed to hold up okay.

Was talking to one guy when I was riding home, and he'd had 5. Not a great day for him.

What I really don't understand is the amount of riders with and no spare tubes. Why would you do that when you know you're going to be out for most of the day?

You didn't happen to pass the guy on the Lime Bike with his bike strapped to his back, did you? 🙂  Apparently a puncture - not quite sure about that...

Hope you had a good ride!

I did the ride100 with wife and a friend in 2022, and was similarly puzzled. I punctured twice and wife + mate got one each.  More than I'd expect, but not suspicious, they weren't tacks or drawing pins etc.  Does the lack of other traffic mean little flints etc don't get picked up?  Or is because we cycle in the middle of the road rather than the usual bike space/nearside car wheel space and therefore more debris?

I don't remember the year but I did Rider Safety Captain a few times on the Surrey version; one year was biblical wet. At the start Conti who part sponsored the event asked if I would carry some tubes to hand out to people, I picked up a couple and they suggested taking as many as I could. I wasn't quite domestique in midsummer levels but had pockets full and another three shoved down my back and still managed to get rid of them all by the bottom of Newlands, about halfway round.

The number of unprepared riders, on £000's of bike who weren't even carrying tubes or a basic kit; one guy said his clubmates all had kits so he didn't bother. I asked him where they were and they'd all ****ed off and left him!! I was so cold, soaked to the skin, while he stood around and I had to change his tyre for him, then as soon as I was done he didn't even help me pack the kit back up, he was on his bike and off!

Lime bike guy, we passed at mile 8. Never ever seen that before. Classic. At least the bike he carried was V light.

The number of unprepared riders, on £000’s of bike who weren’t even carrying tubes or a basic kit

I see this quite often. In fact on one of the events I ride-lead on, the pre-event forum page actually has punters suggesting that "you don't need to carry a pump cos there's always someone who'll lend you theirs".

Worst bit of "advice" ever. 🙄

RideLondon has been notorious in the past for tacks on the course; I won't sign up to those sorts of huge-scale events any more cos there's too much risk.

Etape Caledonia got similarly targeted a few times.

Tacks on the course? Not heard about that issue before. What a ****ing world we live in eh?

I was on tubeless with no problems. I’ll check for tacks later. 😉

The other things I noticed were the huge number of items spilled from pockets and mounts (tubes, CO2 canisters, pumps, lights, glasses, water bottles) the number of crashes (lots of small grazes as well as the big ones, including the deer) and the exceedingly poor fare at the food stops.

Some folk probably had tubes when they headed out.

hang on a sec there were food stops 🙂 ?

did it today and my wife commented that marathons have far far better catering and a bag drop - this really was self supported with some toilets ( though i had to use the mcdonalds at 15k in). There were a load of really fast chain gangs who stopped for no one which i though was a little dangerous as you had packs ( 40+) riders going 40+ kph passing within inches of other cyclists going half that

Have signed up for next year and this time will do the 100 - does anyone know how to get all my friends into the same wave if we registered and paid separately ? several of us just realised we all had the idea today to sign up for the 100 next year and would like to all be in the same wave - do i just email them with the booking ID's ?

This post on Twitter shows there were tacks causing punctures

https://twitter.com/Auntiekay28/status/1794812550250438828?t=cBgmVnmxx_NfsLH_9og8-A&s=19

Agree on the chain gangs versus Boris bikes @quentyn

They need their own wave /event.

Agree on the chain gangs versus Boris bikes @quentyn

They need their own wave /event

I did the first few RideLondon events - the ones into Kent/Surrey - and found them pretty well organised. You had to specify a ride time and they'd (to an extent) try and put the faster riders up front to minimise issues of chain gangs racing past more casual riders.

Of course for the casual riders starting at 8am or so, it did bring its own issues with getting everyone off the course before the professional race started using it but generally it worked OK.

People cottoned on after a while and started claiming 4hr completion times in order to get an earlier start time and again, that can cause problems when a 6-7hr rider has falsely claimed they can hold it with the 4hr folk.

TBH, having worked in shops on and off, a few of them are probably those who tried to get the bike in for new tyres and a service (i.e. completely recabling, chain, cassette, tyres, tubes, brake service and bar tape) 3 days before the event, and actually being told to go away.

So all the other punctures they are getting through their worn out tyres you won't see, as they're out on their own in the weeks before the event, trying to avoid having to pay for a service.

I was out yesterday afternoon and saw a couple of dozen cyclists, pretty much half of them were stopped fixing bikes. We're in the final run down to Vätternrundan at the moment. So, i'm expecting a lot of posts from friends in the trade over the next 3 weeks, asking how the hell they are meant to deal with 200 people wanting a service the week before the event. But they can't drop the bike off until Wednesday after training.

Claim to fame… I proposed the concept of ride captains after the first event and the very poor ride standards. Rides all but one of the original events before Covid and have the Continental kit in the wardrobe. I’ve given out so many tubes.

The problem yesterday was due to a period of good weather, followed by a wet ride. This allows flints to build up on less used roads, then the wet means they stick to bike tyres and work their way into the tyre rather than fling off, until they pierce the protective layer. Unless you were riding marathons, it was always a hazard.

No such issue with my ride up and down the A31 Bentley by-pass five times yesterday, despite the rain, because the traffic is much heavier and traffic clear the flints off the road. And I was faster than my club mates in Essex, despite rising fixed 😎. Same climbing too.

I did in 2018 and yes, there were huge amounts of punctures including on the way to the start. I had one on the ride itself despite being on tubeless. It rained quite a bit at the start of the day which I think washes quite a lot of debris into the road.

I also agree re the dangerous riding - quite a mix of slow groups wobbling along obviously combined with fast chain gangs- a recipe for disaster and there were quite a few crashes.

The last few miles through London though were quite superb - the sense of occasion was immense.

The last few miles through London though were quite superb – the sense of occasion was immense.

I loved that. Caning it in along Embankment - by that time you've ditched all the hangers-on and the folk that have blown so it's just the competent riders left in an actual working peloton, crowds lining the roadside. Honestly the nearest any normal rider will ever come to feeling like you're in a Grand Tour!

Never done the new route though.

Rain always adds to puncture risk. Did the Mad Manc a few weekends ago, and that was really well sign posted (my garmin fell off a brand new Garmin out front), and the food stops were plentiful. The mechanic stations were well used though, seemed to be selling alot of tubes given the old ones ready to be disposed of.

Many people don't look after their bikes - I've one mate who can't do anything, and usually drops it in to the bike shop, or asks a mate to fix - this is then amplified in a big event.

With the Mad Manc, there wasn't that many Pelotons - just a few in the first 30 miles until all the hills came for the next 100 miles. The Manchester 100 get's some big pelotons and gets a bit hairy later on when the 100 miles joins the 100km riders and you are coming up on wobbly bobs on old MTB's in the middle of the roads.

@quentyn the food stops are only on the full distance. Theres one, half way, and it's colossal.

interesting the app states that there was meant to be a welfare stop at 18 miles which we looked for and didnt see - we saw toilets next to the side of the road and stopped there

There were a load of really fast chain gangs who stopped for no one which i though was a little dangerous as you had packs ( 40+) riders going 40+ kph passing within inches of other cyclists going half that

Did they not get the message about 1.5m clearance?

Not that I saw. Pretty sure in the past it’s been highlighted about staying to the left unless overtaking. That didn’t happen either.

I was behind one lady yesterday,  she had a really good pace,  then I noticed she had a puncture,  I rode past her and told her....and she didn't belive me..lol.

The lime bike geezer...kudos to him I saw him in the first few miles.

In all I didn't like the event...the start was a joke so cramped and dangerous,  the bends were so tight in places...and there really weren't any hills....Essex part was nice...the London bit not so.

Surrey version was much better.

No punctures for me I was on tubeless...but I know where to ride...some parts are full of grit etc..so I can only imagine people were riding in these parts

@quentyn yes. The temporary toilets are the welfare stop. Welfare does not equate catering. The 50 mile stop is in a school grounds, and has bananas for thousands, bike racks, and loos. There are also loos and marshalls at roughly those quarter marks, hence Welfare stop.

Aah @infovore I assumed it was like a marathon welfare stop with energy drinks, gels etc etc.

Anyway we went prepared for anything and to be self sufficient and the plan worked.

Next year I am signed up to the 100. Just need to build up the miles until then. I'm very comfortable at about 120 km, and I did 78 before breakfast this morning. Just getting the time to be able to put the mileage in!

@quentyn Yeah, the 50 mile stop is like that. The shorter distances really don't demand it. Banana and snacks in your back pocket for those.

If you're happy at 120 on regular roads, the 163 would be fine. It is very, very fast, as you found out, to ride with no traffic or red lights, and the Essex route is really very flat. You just keep eating and it kinda rides itself.

You don't need loads and loads...all I had yesterday

Breakfast 04.30...1 weetabix and a bannana

Rode to buck Palace...had another bannana

Mile 30.....another banana

Mile 50...1 jel (SIS)

Mile 80...my last jel (SIS)

Finish line I was given a high 5 energy bar...by the event...really nice..and sorted me out for the ride home...as I could feel my stomach wanted something solid

Anyway...in all I was not hungry or feeling weak at any stage....just eat/ load up sensibly and you'll be good

My av speed for the event was 17.6 mph

It is very, very fast, as you found out, to ride with no traffic or red lights, and the Essex route is really very flat. You just keep eating and it kinda rides itself.

This. I used to do the old route 100 with no stops, partly cos getting in and out of feed stations was proper hectic and a bit of a bunfight to get to the food. Decent breakfast then just use gels and 2 water bottles (one with water, one with energy drink) the whole way around - I can cope with them for that sort of thing. 4hrs was pretty standard for me, it's amazing how quick a ride can be in a big bunch and with no traffic!

Double porridge, gel before the start, six gels during the race. Two double espresso version and two double strength. 2L of electrolyte drink. 24 mph average. Real food for leisure pace centuries mixed in. Usually malt loaf and mini pork pies.

The 50 mile stop is in a school grounds, and has bananas for thousands, bike racks, and loos.

Just be aware they were trying to limit folk to one banana or one Soreen mini at that stop.  And while they had water there was no electrolyte stuff.  HiFive were at a couple of stops nearer London and were a bit more generous.

I’m just used to £30 sportives handing out as much food as one could reasonably require - though to be fair they aren’t closed road.

Closed roads are fast and I was trundling round at 18mph average on my own until I got to the crashes and then got a lot more careful in passing other riders. Waiting in the queue to get by one of the ambulances knocked the average down to 15.5 and it was only just over 16 at the end.

A friend did the 60 mile ride, seemed to find two snack stops and an M&S Food Hall - plus an impressive post ride feast and prosecco from the Alzheimers Society.

She did report huge numbers of punctures though.

Everyone I know talks about the poor riding standard at Ride London, the old route and new. No way am I spending that much money to be that pissed off.

I’m not surprised so many people didn’t carry spares. Most people on here are (at least) reasonably experienced and many of here don’t bother carrying spare tubes.

Talking of crashes, did anybody see the crash right at the very end before the last tunnel? All of the other crashes that I saw seemed relatively minor with the rider wrapped in a blanket waiting to be picked up. This one the rider was face down in the recovery position with two paramedics. One of them about to inject something.

I hope the cyclist was okay?

I’m not surprised so many people didn’t carry spares. Most people on here are (at least) reasonably experienced and many of here don’t bother carrying spare tubes.

Off-road vs on.

Off-road I can't remember when I last had a tubeless tyre fail beyond a plug or patch job.  Especially at trail centers where at worst you're an hour's walk back to the car. I don't deliberately set off without one often, but I'm out of the habit of checking.

On road tubeless is a bit more temperamental. So I carry a tube all the time.

I haven’t carried a tube road or off-road for a couple of years now. The hawthorn round here means it’s not worthwhile.

I do carry Dynaplugs, a valve core remover and spare Stans.

Yet to have a problem with Scwalbe, Conti, or anything off-road or gravel.

Panaracer Gravelking Slicks on the other hand… the devil’s tyres.

Breakfast 04.30…1 weetabix and a bannana

Rode to buck Palace…had another bannana

Mile 30…..another banana

Mile 50…1 jel (SIS)

Mile 80…my last jel (SIS)

Finish line I was given a high 5 energy bar…by the event…really nice..and sorted me out for the ride home…as I could feel my stomach wanted something solid

How is that close to enough calories? 100 miles on 1 Weetabix, 3 bananas and a couple of gels. 🤨

Re the being prepared thing - not sure it isn't a MTB v Roadie difference?   Whenever I go out with roadies I'm amazed how little they carry, 1 pump between 4, never a 1st aid kit, rarely a rain jacket.....I reckon most of them just have their wife on speed dial!

All of these posts remind me why I don't do massive participation events (with an exception for Dorset Dirt Dash, which is a slightly different beast)

Too many people, too expensive, too much faffing (logistically), no guarantee of a place, limited food, etc.

If the rain ever stops, I must do my 100 mile Sussex loop, on quiet roads, again - when I want to, with who I choose.

Each to their own, I suppose.

I have worked at a road bike sportive a couple of times several years ago, as a mechanic in a neutral service car, helping people with punctures and mechanicals. Many, many people turn up at events with very worn outer tyres, or with other mechanical issues that should certainly have been sorted beforehand. We also sold and changed a lot of tyres before start, near the start area.

And some people got mad that we did not have tubular tyres and would not change tubulars during the event on the road, then got mad that we could not take him and his bike in the van (no space!). And we were a voluntary, free service car.

The worst thing that happened - I changed a tube for a guy, and then his friend turned up with a car! And he promptly rode away with his friend driving the car ahead of him, for tens of kilometers, him riding in the draft of the car - passing large groups of cyclists with the draft car ahead... Dangerous, stupid, and definitely not allowed. No private cars were allowed at all during the event and roads were closed for other traffic. The things some people do for a sportive with no prizes, astounding level of stupidity.

All of these posts remind me why I don’t do massive participation events (with an exception for Dorset Dirt Dash, which is a slightly different beast)

RideLondon is worth it for the closed roads. No idea about the "new" route or if the organisation has changed since the original Surrey days but while the idea of "I'll juts ride the route some other time" has its merits on normal Sportives, it'd be rubbish on the RideLondon route - some of it uses big dual carriageways or the wrong way through a town centre plus you'd be forever stopping and starting, dealing with traffic etc. You're buying the closed road experience.

That said, it's worth looking out for some of the Spanish sportives which can be races in all but name (right down to the sheer number of amateurs who dope - see this article for info: https://www.globalcyclingnetwork.com/racing/news/its-a-joke-anti-doping-testers-swoop-spanish-amateur-race-130-riders-abandon ) and Etape du Tour etc which are on closed roads.

And some people got mad that we did not have tubular tyres and would not change tubulars during the event on the road, then got mad that we could not take him and his bike in the van (no space!). And we were a voluntary, free service car.

I've seen people on guided / supported tours get very upset that the free tyre they were being given mid-stage when they'd ripped their old one to shreds was a basic Conti, not a GP4000. One guy was sorted out with a wheel on loan just to get him to the end of the stage and he complained it wasn't carbon to match his rear. He did realise what a cock he sounded and tried to make like it was a joke. 😉

Panaracer Gravelking Slicks on the other hand… the devil’s tyres.

Mine are just about needing replacing due to wear after nearly four thousand trouble and puncture free miles - and they are on the winter/wet weather bike. Tyres are nearly as subjective as saddles!

Whenever I go out with roadies I’m amazed how little they carry, 1 pump between 4, never a 1st aid kit, rarely a rain jacket…..I reckon most of them just have their wife on speed dial!

TBH, i used to ride thousands of miles a year, punctures would be so infrequent that tubes would often be trashed from sitting in a saddle bag for 6/9/12 months. I've probably thrown away more worn out ones that punctured over the years. (Still take one though). I have, in the past, on arranged rides with mates and taken a couple of pumps between the group.

Rain jacket? Whats the point, if it's really going to be crap weather (forecast) i wear suitable stuff on leaving the house, if it's variable weather, i'll probably get just as wet from sweat as i would from rain anyway.  Plus the faff of stopping to put it on, take it off, put it on, take it off, put it on... I might be covering 100+ miles in a day, it adds up, and i get cold. Decent kit in the first place will at least keep me comfortably warm. Even if i get wet.

First aid kits, meh, i can sort of see the point, but the list of things that a first aid kit can fix on a road ride is limited, and anything major, you're going to need an ambulance anyway.

I'm more baffled by those riding road bikes with a middling sized backpack on for a 50 miler round the home counties.

All of these posts remind me why I don’t do massive participation events (with an exception for Dorset Dirt Dash, which is a slightly different beast)

Too many people, too expensive, too much faffing (logistically), no guarantee of a place, limited food, etc.

How is that close to enough calories? 100 miles on 1 Weetabix, 3 bananas and a couple of gels. 🤨

Why do you need to match them 1:1?

You can store ~2000 calories of glycogen (actually you can store a lot more but depleting it during exercise gets harder),

So for someone averaging 150W in group doing ~19mph that's 720 calories an hour. Of which (because they're ticking over somewhere in Zone 2 most of the time) around half will come from fat, so only 360calories from glycogen.    Which means an averagely fit club rider could do RideLondon in about 5 hours using nothing more than a bit of body fat and their glycogen stores.  A few gels and some easily digested food on the way just keeps the legs fresh and guarantees not bonking without stuffing your guts.

Whenever I go out with roadies I’m amazed how little they carry, 1 pump between 4, never a 1st aid kit, rarely a rain jacket…..I reckon most of them just have their wife on speed dial!

Club rides are usually self sufficient, although that might mean one person has a C02 can, another has a tiny pump and both rely on the guy with a silca frame pump.

Rides with friends, generally the same although we might if it's organized in a hurry from the office just do a quick roll-call of who has what.

A first aid kit for an RTA arrives in a big yellow van.  Anything smaller than that, just hope it stops bleeding before the cafe.  What actual practical use is a plaster?  You can make decent slings from innertubes and if we're talking arterial spurting type levels s of bleeding you'd be better of packing it with the riders trashed jersey and Elastoplast.

Rain jacket, if it's not raining, why are you taking a jacket?

Club rides are usually self sufficient, although that might mean one person has a C02 can, another has a tiny pump and both rely on the guy with a silca frame pump.

Rides with friends, generally the same although we might if it’s organized in a hurry from the office just do a quick roll-call of who has what.

A first aid kit for an RTA arrives in a big yellow van.  Anything smaller than that, just hope it stops bleeding before the cafe.  What actual practical use is a plaster?  You can make decent slings from innertubes and if we’re talking arterial spurting type levels s of bleeding you’d be better of packing it with the riders trashed jersey and Elastoplast.

Rain jacket, if it’s not raining, why are you taking a jacket?

from my roadie-ing days, completely agree with this.

A pump, tube (perhaps a couple for a really long ride) and 2 tyre levers would sort out the most frequent issue. a small multitool for any adjustments, non qr axles etc. first aid kit almost certainly useless and by its nature you are on a road with emergency access.

road riding especially recreational and long distance is a much more constant effort compared to mtb, unless we are talking lakes/highlands/alpine passes with possible weather variations, dress for the weather outside when you begin, adjust with arm warmers if necessary. a skin tight, laycra-elastene outfit will be suitable for quite a wide temperature range and even a rain soaking with very little detriment.

recreational mtb xc group rides on the other hand is going to see a lot more sprint/high effort interspersed with frequent stops (which always seem to be at the windiest, coldest spot) for regroup and recovery (and chatting) which is not too comfy in a sweat soaked loose shirt.

 100 miles on 1 Weetabix, 3 bananas and a couple of gels. 🤨

@squirrelking ....I didnt 100 miles on that.....I did 129.5 lol... its  on strava

I tend to use a small backpack these days (smallest Decathlon Rock Rider) on the road as I had my spine broken badly 8 years ago by a driver, and I don't want anything in my pockets that may be hard as the pockets sit exactly where I'm missing half a vertebrae !  I tend to have a pack for gravel, road, and full on MTB.

Road pack has two tubes, minimal puncture kit with a quick link or two, multi tool, tyre levers, packable lightweight jacket (change for better ones for MTB) and a decent pump. It's rare I take CO2 - I took them as a back up on a recent sportive due to the time imit to get back (205km and just over 10.5 hours to get back). All this would fit in my back pockets, but, due to the injury, don't want anything there. The phone also get's tucked away in the small backpack.

I may add in some gels or cerial bars for longer rides. This means it's just grab and go. It's not the thing for roadies, and I'd never considered it until my broken spine. I have a pack for gravel and one for MTB. Couple of extra bits in the MTB bag, like foil blanket (used my waterproof for someone inappropriately dressed at a trail centre that had crashed - cotton t-shirt, impailed on bars, nice day in April, but bloody cold and windy on tops.

I'll also add, depends where you live for road - I'm near peaks so would always take a compact waterproof, just in case. The weather can change, and being on the tops can be bloody cold at times, rather than a few miles down the hills.

I was club riding in the 80's 90's where self sufficiency was taught into us.  I know many 'cyclists' that take the bear minimum, or will use 'taxi of other half' if they break down...

Rain jacket, if it’s not raining, why are you taking a jacket?

I always want an extra layer, I'll rarely stop to put it on for rain but if someone punctures and I start getting cold it comes in handy.

I always have a tin foil emergency blanket taped under saddle in winter, they have come in useful a few times when riders have crashed. Good for protecting car seats from dirty crashed riders when a kindly passing motorist offers a lift home too!!

I have never, ever in 30 years of group rides ever considered organising spares and pumps etc between us. I have recently also given up on chain tools and quick links on a normal day to day road ride as well, although my winter bike still has this as it's a gravel bike and so has a fuller toolkit on board.

Just on YouTube and watched a video by thewattlife or similar....him, arrived at start with slow puncture, had all the kit to fix it, didn't, two mates didn't have a pump between them, one of them punctures out intrepid you tuber only realises 4 miles later, stops at aid station, you would think he would get them to wack a tube in and buy another...no pumps it up a bit and waits ages for his mate. The one with a puncture bails and gets bus..intrepid ewe tubers carries on stopping at each aid station and pumping up tyre. He doesn't want to use his fancy electric one incase batteries go flat.

You can also see people riding out of London over solid white lines in hatched areas that will be full of grit...no wonder they all get flats.

I am astounded someone would do a sportive with the ability to fit a tube and pump it up, the mind boggles...

The route looks a bit shit too

@thisisnotaspoon that's kinda why I asked. From the outside looking in that looks like a miserable amount, I'd be greetin' in a heap after the first 20odd miles. But I don't do rides like that so I'm not really representative of the Serious types. I'm the tortoise, not the hare.

@cheekyget there's a want about you. 🤨😉

I am astounded someone would do a sportive with the ability to fit a tube and pump it up, the mind boggles…

I assume you meant [b]without[/b] the ability to fit a tube and pump it up.... ?

I've seen it several times on supported tours. Once I encountered a woman just stood by the side of the road, I did the standard "are you OK?" (cos she might just have been taking a photo or having a snack) but she'd had a puncture and was unable to even remove the wheel (thru-axle).

The other common one is people bent double over a bike trying to refit a dropped chain. Stand on the non drive side, bend over the bike arse in the air and fumble around with the chain while looking at it upside down. Yes, of course that'll work... 🙄
Once had to stop a guy doing that literally in the middle of the lane on a climb, he'd turned his bike side on so was blocking the whole lane, other riders trying to go around him. Took a lot of effort to persuade him to stop what he was doing, stand up, move his bike 6ft to the left into the great big layby right next to him (!) and fix it properly.