[Closed] PSA: Jeremy Vine Show Today - Radio 2

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shock horror, bus stop built outside someones house!
how dare they.

wtf?
where else are they going to put it?

we want all bus stops as far away from areas where people can get to them now!

This should be a good laugh. JV's listeners tend to be pathological bike haters.

Yeh its a good eye opener to all the bigoted people out there 😉 Not sure which side of 1pm it will be 😯

its proper Radio Mail today,

listening to the lead in this morning:
bikes on pavements
European parliament
Atheist billboards

it gives me heartburn just listing that lot.
Im off to tune into R3 😉

Thanks for the heads up, just plugged the headphones into the laptop at work. 🙂
This one should be fun!

"arrogant thugs on MOUWNTain BIIIKES"

Richard dawkins gets my back up too.
dogmatic prat.
he may have a point, but hes going totally the wrong way about it.

"why cant we have pavements where they are split and shared by both cyclists and pedestrians"

what, like cycle paths?

what a tool.

Oh go, not another one

Mustn't.....turn....radio.....on..... 😯

Perhaps we should be a bit more like our European colleages when it come to cycle awareness - i.e. shared pavements? One good thing to import form out European Commmunity 🙂

The draw back being you maybe forced to use them and some of them like my local cycle path is shocking:
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Richard dawkins gets my back up too.
dogmatic prat.
he may have a point, but hes going totally the wrong way about it.

100% agree with you there, Olly!

Not a Radio 2 listener myself and can’t stand Jeremy Vine…

Not that it matters as the BBC stream will be blocked by work…

I will own up to listening to Radio 4, I’m sure that makes me an old fart but I just prefer it…

This is a good one:

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Hmm, was pretty rubbish anyway.

Yeh was a bit shite sorry guys 😳

Richard dawkins gets my back up too.
dogmatic prat.
he may have a point, but hes going totally the wrong way about it.

Hmm. He's dogmatic, but you think he's got a point. I see.

Going about it the wrong way by, er, explaining himself and writing books?

What a peculiar point of view you have. 🙄

Dawkins might be a tad assertive with his views, but he is merely voicing logical opinions shared by many thinking people - people who for a long, long time have had little public exposure of their entirely sound philosophy.

In terms of dogma...

... it would take many centuries of a whole host of Dawkins' to come close to the religious dogma developed by the established religions....

What is this Radio 2 of which you speak?

people who for a long, long time have had little public exposure of their entirely sound philosophy.

but by the very nature of the philosophy, why feel the need to inflict it on other people?

if people want to, what i see as, waste thier lives chasing various dubious moral codes then fine, i dont see why he should try and correct them.

whatever happened to live and let live.

i believe religion is dying out. slowly, but i can only think of a handful of friends who would consider themselves one religion or another.
and i respect them for thier choices, it doesnt affect how i think of them in any way.

the others arnt dogmatically, ferverently atheist, like Dawkins is.

they have other things to worry about than how they define themselves spiritually
i would never note myself as an "Atheist" on a survey or census.

Aetheist is as much as religion as any other IMO.

there is huge difference between "NOT BELIEVING IN GOD", and "not being bothered either way and not worrying about it, ill worry about it at the pearly gates"

Dawkins speaks sense, but im not going to make him an authority on how i should live my life.
im perfectly capable of working out my own moral code thanks.

but by the very nature of the philosophy, why feel the need to inflict it on other people?

Because, as he's made clear so so often.. he is COUNTERING the very fact that 'others' (religious types) actively inflict their belief systems on us. If organised religions didn't have a general policy of active conversion (go forth and spread the good word) then there would be no need for him to actively speak out against religion. It's the very fact that organised religion pervades the lives of all of us whether we like it or not (from the education system to Radio 4's policy on thought for the day) that has prompted people like Dawkins to start speaking up for those of us that don't believe.

Jeremy Vine / Jeremy Kyle show, two inflammatory programmes the omly advantage to the former is you can't see the chavs. 🙂

You hijacking my thread Mark 🙂

Sorry... Moment of weakness there Foxy..
Stepping away from the computer now!

🙂

Religion acts like a virus that perpetuates itself by a form of child abuse, that is to say: the brainwashing and indoctrination of children into dogma, which strangles their innnate ability to reason before fully mature enough to employ it.

I hope that's not too "fervent" for you...

Hi-Fi fanaticism acts like a virus that perpetuates itself by a form of idiot abuse, that is to say: the brainwashing and indoctrination of idiots into dogma, which strangles their innnate ability to reason before fully mature enough to employ it.

😛

Jeremy Vine and Cyclists is a guaranteed phone-in bile-fest...I've pretty much tuned out the almost "hatred" that I sometimes see on the road these days. It's not worth stressing about. Although, cars parked on pavements (now that I'm running again) is beginning to get seriously on my tits

miketually - Member

Hi-Fi fanaticism acts like a virus that perpetuates itself by a form of idiot abuse, that is to say: the brainwashing and indoctrination of idiots into dogma, which strangles their innnate ability to reason before fully mature enough to employ it.

Quite, that's why I always go with the evidence...

can i just clarify, im not defending any religion.
its all bull, and i wouldnt want it inflicted on my kids if i ever aquire any (by whatever means)

my point was:

Dr Dawkins is a Dick.

Dr Dawkins is a Dick.

That'll be Prof. Dawkins to you...

Good old religous debate continues as usual (for the last ? thousand years 😉 )

Whether Dawkins is liked or disliked is irrelevant. What he says and why is incredibly important, unless we want to return to the Dark Ages.

People from the scientific community (including Dawkins) have only recently started to stand up and voice their opinions on religion and the promotion of religious views.

And the reason for this is very clear - when the leading industrialised county in the world starts demanding that it's children are taught creationist twaddle in Science lessons, we should all be worried.

Teach what you want in RE or "creative writing", but the promotion of blatant lies as science is not acceptable within a modern technological society.

ETA - And this fundamentalist / born again outlook is not just limited to the US (or the Islamic theocracies). There has been plenty of publicity of rich donors to UK city academies etc wanting their religious views to be expressed within the science curriculum. 👿

Olly - Member

can i just clarify, im not defending any religion.
its all bull, and i wouldnt want it inflicted on my kids if i ever aquire any (by whatever means)

my point was:

Dr Dawkins is a Dick.

Define "Dick"...

It's an interesting notion of religion as virus and one I can see some merit in but I think there is a valid counterpoint. I'm a teacher (English not RE!) but have taught RE as supply cover. When showing a group of 14 year old students starving children in Africa, their response was to laugh. Their response was born out of their backgrounds I presume, it was not isolated to one student. They all professed to be atheists and had taken on a Materialist view of the world; only the physical exists, moral codes are arbitrary and the plight of another is irrelevant if it does not immediately impact on you or yours.

Dawkins seems to want his cake and eat it. No metaphysical solution to morality but good and bad still have to exist when in fact it would seem, in some cases, when the metaphysical is removed children become dehumanised and good and evil reveal themselves to be spectres anyway.

I'm not a religious apologist but it strikes me that children are being indoctrinated by a Materialist dogma to their detriment just as they have been with a crass religious one.

Just a thought...

Define "Dick"...

"Dick", short for "Richard"... As Dawkins first name is Richard, Dawkins is a Dick - fact! 😉

Dawkins seems to want his cake and eat it. No metaphysical solution to morality but good and bad still have to exist when in fact it would seem, in some cases, when the metaphysical is removed children become dehumanised and good and evil reveal themselves to be spectres anyway.

I'm not a religious apologist but it strikes me that children are being indoctrinated by a Materialist dogma to their detriment just as they have been with a crass religious one.

Just a thought...

Why on earth do you equate Materialism with Aethism?

Organised Churches are fantastically materialistic....do you relly equate religion with poverty, because that's certainly not been the case with the Catholic or Anglican churces over the last 1000 years - They are 2 of the wealthiest organisations ever, and have grown fat on extracting money from their adherents by fair means and foul.

Religion means wealth, power and political influence.

Anyway - I can see you've sinned a bit...bung us £50 and you can have a bit of the authentic cross, with one of Mary's finger bones thrown in as an extra. Real relics mun, certified by a Pontiff and all

[troll] of course, science is, and always has been, best guess anyway. to believe what your taught/told, however logical and rational it seems, without questioning it, is just as blind as faith[/troll]

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