too good to be true?
Ive just had a quick look on the dave hinde website and these rotors are priced at £0.00.
I've just ordered a couple and the only option was for £9.95 delivery, so I guess we shall wait and see what turns up.
Pleased i've got insurance on my card...just in case 😉
Hmmmmm, never gona to happen 8)
probably not....but worth a try...
and I'm sure theres some legal [s]bullsh1te[/s] cases I can use to argue my corner 🙂
Just ordered mine. Not holding out any hope.
Given it a go, lets wait and see
wonder who the first person to order 100 of them is goiong to be....
This could be interesting 😆
This could be [s]interesting[/s] very costly for dave hinde
This could be [strike]interesting[/strike] very costly for dave hinde
No chance,
They won't ship them and will abuse anyone that questions them
No chance,They won't ship them and will abuse anyone that questions them
I was thinking along these lines 😉
Not really free when shipping is £10
It will end up more hassle trying to get your shipping money back from that cowboy!
Don't they legally have to ship them?
#Don't they legally have to ship them?
course not.
mistakes dont have to be honoured.
Worse still, you've now sent £10 to david hinde for postage of something he has no compunction to send to you. Bend over chaps, this is going to smart.
http://www.davehinde.com/terms-conditions/
"The Seller may choose not to accept an order for any reason. "
Well I will quite happily take a full refund.
"Nothing in these Terms and Conditions shall affect the Buyer's statutory rights as a Consumer.
"
out of interest...for those that have ordered....how many did you order?
I ordered 2.
Just do a search for David Hinde and customer services, hes a well know crook and has been for ages,refunds doubtful. 😳
hence why I'm glad I have card insurance........and live 20 mins away from Northwich 😉
"Nothing in these Terms and Conditions shall affect the Buyer's statutory rights as a Consumer.
Your statutory rights don't give you the right to have them either
I could be varying degrees of all kinds of wrong here - contract law isn't a speciality of mine, (and with that disclaimer in mind) but ...
... Following [primarily] the Kodak case back along, there was some extended debate at which point in a transaction a contract is made, and as such, a seller is bound to supply at the price offered. It was something along the lines of:
#. The seller offers you 'something' at a price - (advertised on a website).
#2. You agree - (by buying it).
#3. The seller agrees ... and this was where it kicks. From memory 🙄 if the form of words used by the website acknowledges you have placed an order, the seller is not bound to supply the goods (at the price you have agreed). Kodak (and others) had wording at this stage which perhaps may have [implicitly] constituted an 'agreement' to supply at the price offered.
Any shopping-cart software worth it's salt these days will make sure that the wording in each stage does not impose such an implied contract upon the seller, so good luck, but if 'twas me, I'd be expecting an e-mail saying thanks, but no thanks.
If he count deliver then he legally has to refund us our postage money.
Well put £9.95 on the card,it really won't end my world.
Sit and wait, I ordered 4 in various hues and sizes!
It wouldn't surprise me if it was intentional so as to get a massive load of tenners into his account...
You should order some wheels while you're at it.
OCB, think youve got the jist of it. I think the legal term is "invitation to treat" - by advertising the item they invite you to make an offer to buy, you make an offer to buy, and enter into a contract only when they accept that offer.
which is why most confirmation emails only say "we confirm receipt of your order" they dont confirm you have bought the item.
Just ordered 6.
I seem to remeber a few years back Argos's Homebase had a 26" TV' and stand advertised on their website at £0.02 and they didn't realise until a guy bought 35.... they didn't keep to the price despite protest, I can't imagine Dave Hind will given their customer serivce record.
I [i]would[/i] like to hear how you folk that [i]did[/i] order get on 😀
But if something is displayed at a certain price in a shop then legally that's the price you pay or they have to remove it from sale for 31 days
"in a shop" & "on the internet" are two different animals...
Just ordered 4, but with Dave's reputation i'm not expecting anything. If anything, this will just be a small annoyance.
Might be another Oakley thing..
It's been an age since I did a bit of contract law as part of a BTEC Business Studies course so I may be way out of date but as I remember it the advertised price was an 'invitation to treat' (rather than a contractural offer and a seller can refuse to sell at that price), the customer could then make an offer, usually by offering payment, if the seller accepted (by charging a card?) the offer then the contract is sealed and legally binding (presumably irrespective of seller TOCs).
However that was all long before internet shopping and although charging the card would appear to be an acceptance, and therefore a contract, that may not be the case. Even if it is and DH refuse to ship you've still got to go through the hassle of pursuing them through the courts and it's probably not worth the hassle.
How can it be £9.95 for delivery??! You could post the machine that makes the rotors for that much. Probably.
I would say, kiss goodbye to the shipping cost, Dave Hinde are a bunch of devious cheating scumbags.
Anyone thinking they are getting a bargain from them is dreaming
oneoneoneone - Member
But if something is displayed at a certain price in a shop then legally that's the price you pay or they have to remove it from sale for 31 days
No, it accounts for human error, say for example something was put out in the wrong place. The period of removal is 24 hours, not 31 days. I learnt this working in gamestation as a student,, the amount of bratty kids who would peel off a £4.99 sticker and put it on a £39.99 game and quote some law that you have to sell it to them, they go quiet when you mention fraud and CCTV to them.
Anyone else ordered 999?
If they cant deliver the goods thats fair enough. If they then don't refund you postage then that surely is fraud or theft.
i wonder what the lead-time for a million rotors is from hope?
Getting an error message when trying to order...
Andy
Guessing your trying to pay through paypal, received the same error so paid via credit card
Guessing your trying to pay through paypal, received the same error so paid via credit card
Same here.
Paid by card & worked that time...
Andy
Why on earth are you lot ordering them, there is no way that lot will give you the rotors for free
People said the same with regards to the oakley thread, which was of a much higher value.
However I know we are dealing with the notoriously difficult Dave Hinde, so i'm not holding my breathe. It will cause Dave hinde more hassle than it will me.
Personally I think he is a genius, he is down the pub right now spending all your tenners and laughing as he knew it was the only way he would get any cash out of the STW collective...
........and live 20 mins away from Northwich
So you'll be able to visit the shop and get your abuse in person rather than by e-mail or over the phone!
edit due to idiocy.
So you'll be able to visit the shop and get your abuse in person rather than by e-mail or over the phone!
Is he really that bad? Never heard of him before.
you crazy guys..
Oh yes. Refuses to honour warrantees,* accuses people of mistreating wheels when they fall to bits,* been banned from e-bay*, threatens people who ring with complaints to "come down here if you think you're hard enough"* and **, etc.
* allegedly.
** this may have been his staff, and not actually Dave, (allegedly of course)
Um, can any of you who have a knowledge of the law tell me if I may have just booked myself a visit to court if I don't edit this quickly?
I wonder if any of you have booked yourselves a trip to court by conspiring to defraud.. or something.. 😕
I wonder if any of you have booked yourselves a trip to court by conspiring to defraud.. or something..
Can't see it; it's not like we've hacked his website & changed the price.
Andy
(Not expecting him to honour this, but nothing ventured...)
Thanks mr mills, I followed your helpful link. I copied & pasted some ebay feedback that he left so you could all see with ease:
BOUGHT GOODS AND WANTED REFUND WITHOUT RETURNING THEM - BE CAREFULL SELLERS Buyer: hlvh1983 ( 141) Jul-30-07 01:44
Reply by hlvh1983 (Aug-08-07 17:19):
He asked me to sell them myself, used item listed as new. Ask before buying!
-- (#190121949817) --
POSSIBLE SCAMMER, PAID WITH DODGY CREDIT CARD - EITHER THAT OR PENNILESS ?? Buyer: garibaldo99 ( 24) Jul-28-07 01:18
-- (#190124601187) --
SELLERS WATCH OUT HIM, GETS HIS STUFF THEN TRIES TO GET MONEY OFF - DODGY GUY Buyer: potsky13 ( 112) Jul-28-07 01:14
-- (#190131461418) --
WATCH OUT FOR HIM, ROYAL MAIL LOST HIS STUFF + HE BLAMED ME AFTER I REFUNDED HIM Buyer: up-for-it ( 155) Jul-06-07 01:20
Reply by up-for-it (Jul-07-07 13:50):
It was the seller who didn't reply to e-mails & only responded to a Paypal claim
-- (#190112360689) --
UNRELIABLE BUYER, GOT HIS STUFF AS ORDERED AND TRIED TO SCAM BIGGER DISCOUNTS Buyer: bgeary123 ( 3 ) Jul-04-07 04:08
-- (#190121375061) --
FUNNY THING IS THIS DESTROYS YOUR RATING. YOURS DONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Buyer: 1978jimbo ( 9 ) May-21-07 01:19
Reply by 1978jimbo (May-23-07 01:46):
FUNNY THING IS YOUR A GENUINE CON-MAN - & YES MINE MAKES a
-- (#190108480066) --
WATCH OUT FOR THIS EBAYER. GETS HIS STUFF THEN HAGGLES FOR BIGGER DISCOUNTS. Buyer: chips600 ( 39) May-14-07 01:42
-- (#190103143134) --
IGNORES CONTACT ATTEMPTS + THEN BLAMES YOU FOR PROBLEMS WITH THE TRADE! AVOID !! Buyer: antiquesterblue ( 59) May-10-07 02:07
Reply by antiquesterblue (May-13-07 14:35):
still hav'nt received goods i paid for.this man is a liar you have been warned!
-- (#190044134243) --
SELLERS BEWARE. THIS GUY CLAIMS HIS GOODS ARE NOT RIGHT 2 MONTHS AFTER PURCHASE Buyer: stuja1968 ( 253) May-01-07 01:47
Reply by stuja1968 (May-01-07 11:45):
Buyers beware. I have a 2 month e-mail trail seeking to rectify this problem.
-- (#190053122931) --
Dodgy Ebay Member, Waits 2 Months + Decides To Try + Fiddle The System! BEWARE Buyer: stuja1968 ( 253) May-01-07 01:45
Reply by stuja1968 (May-01-07 11:46):
The dealer has taken money and not supplied the goods. Against the law I think!
-- (#190053118277) --
WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY, GAVE HIM REFUND AND STILL WANTS MORE. SELLERS BEWARE Buyer: jurdagutt ( 5 ) Apr-27-07 03:33
Reply by jurdagutt (Apr-27-07 04:08):
Sure, buyers Google "Dave Hinde" and "number1bikebits" and judge for yourself.
-- (#190019254095) --
BEWARE THIS EBAYER. GETS BARGAIN PRICES, GETS HIS STUFF AND STILL COMPLAINS Buyer: davidhudson070980 ( 12) Apr-24-07 02:56
Reply by davidhudson070980 (Apr-24-07 14:05):
Bargain prices maybe, but a justified complaint as what they sent was no
-- (#190100157952) --
SUSPECT EBAYER, SELLERS BEWARE, EXPECTS GOODS DELIVERED OVER BANK HOLIDAY DAYS! Buyer: mmmdev ( 255) Apr-23-07 07:08
Reply by mmmdev (Apr-23-07 07:43):
Paid for 24hr delivery. Took 18 days. I love those 18 day bank holidays.
NEW Xt Hubs - New Mavic XC717 Silver - Top XC Wheels (#190068807813) GBP?109.95 View Item
WE HAVE NO RECORD OF CONTACT. GOODS PERFECT AS ALWAYS Buyer: macdonalddave ( 22) Apr-12-07 05:01
Reply by macdonalddave (Apr-12-07 05:18):
WOULD NOT SAY BOX DAMAGED IF WASN'T. NOT A LIAR!. E-mail sent!!!! NO REPLY.
-- (#190092646623) --
COMPLETE FRAUDSTER. CLAIMS HE HASNT GOT GOODS + CONS HONEST EBAY DEALERS. AVOID Buyer: z1_barron ( 424) Apr-11-07 06:23
Reply by z1_barron (Apr-11-07 07:04):
You have ripped off other people before hence 35 Neg feedback you have!!!!!!!!!
-- (#190094749062) --
BE WARY OF SELLING TO THIG GUY. EXPECTS 2 GET IT NEXT DAY OR THREATENS NEGATIVE Buyer: vectif ( 264) Apr-11-07 06:21
Reply by vectif (Apr-11-07 06:39):
waited 3 weeks with no repsonse to 5 mails. had to log paypal claim to resolve!
-- (#190095827804) --
WATCH THIS GUY CAREFULLY. BUYS STUFF THEN TRIES AFTERWARDS FOR XTRA DISCOUNTS. Buyer: davesharp0 ( 30) Apr-05-07 05:26
Reply by davesharp0 (May-10-07 02:05):
Any dispute & this is what you get. Paypal claim got my money back. JOKERS !!
-- (#190094749082) --
VERYSUSPECT EBAYER. BUYS STUFF AND CLAIMS HE HASNT GOT IT. SELLERS BEWARE Buyer: davesharp0 ( 30) Apr-05-07 05:24
Reply by davesharp0 (May-10-07 02:09):
Check out WhatMTB & MBUK forum to see their reputation. It'll make you laugh/cry
-- (#190095827804) --
BEWARE THIS GUY, HE MAKES MISTAKES WHEN ORDERING THEN TRIES TO CLAIM BACK CASH Buyer: bigalsbash ( 57) Mar-15-07 02:27
Reply by bigalsbash (Mar-15-07 14:06):
yep, silly me paid twice! 5 weeks no refund or item, slap my wrist for a mistake
-- (#190077982023) --
LYING SCUM, DO NOT TRUST THIS SCAMMER AS FAR AS YOU COULD THROW HIM (NOT FAR) Buyer: c-stand ( 21) Mar-10-07 05:39
Reply by c-stand (Mar-16-07 15:16):
Google Dave Hinde for truth. Am pursuing this case through trading standards.
-- (#190066782727) --
ABSOLUTE LIAR, THIS GUY BUYS STUFF THEN LEAVES YOU A NEG FEEDBACK 3 MONTHS LATER Buyer: the-winged-one ( 23) Mar-08-07 04:07
Reply by the-winged-one (May-22-07 12:31):
rubbish! you forgot!!7 weeks to send!4 calls-4 diffrnt answers-you are rude too!
-- (#190060420677) --
STRANGE CUSTOMER, ONLY SEEMS TO BUY TO BAD MOUTH YOU. USE CAUTION WITH HIM Buyer: davidi6433 ( 39) Mar-07-07 01:11
-- (#190061722591) --
NOT TO BE TRUSTED, LYING FILTH. DONT DEAL WITH HIM UNLESS U WANT RIPPING OFF Buyer: bnt1960 ( 73) Mar-05-07 02:56
Reply by bnt1960 (Mar-05-07 04:22):
I COMPLAINED ABOUT DAMAGED GOODS. GOT NOTHING BUT MALICIOUS ABUSE IN RETURN.
-- (#190083820574)
How bizarre. With any normal retailer you'd just be wasting your time and have to wait a few days to get your money back. You lot have picked the one who you'll have to fight to get your money back from. Did all of you who've ordered seriously think you might get sent some rotors? You know what they say about a fool and his money.
How bizarre. With any normal retailer you'd just be wasting your time and have to wait a few days to get your money back. You lot have picked the one who you'll have to fight to get your money back from. Did all of you who've ordered seriously think you might get sent some rotors? You know what they say about a fool and his money.
We'll see who's laughing when I've got my free rotors.. 😉
If enough people order them and he refuses to honour the orders (which he will), you can just organise a mass visit to the shop to all demand your free rotors / refund of P&P. Take pitchforks, flaming torches and someone from the local paper 🙂
Take pitchforks, flaming torches and someone from the local paper
Bombers for god sake, its a cycling shop.
Not sure if cycling shop is the correct word though, it is still a bike shop its just run by a group of cowboys who make it a pretty unreliable bike shop.
mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
aaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Damn I was going to set up a Dave Hinde log-in! Beaten to it.
lol
Oh! NOW it's gonna get legal 😯
If enough people order them and he refuses to honour the orders (which he will), you can just organise a mass visit to the shop to all demand your free rotors / refund of P&P. Take pitchforks, flaming torches and someone from the local paper
I can just see the local paper headlines now:
ANGRY IT MIDDLE MANAGERS WHO TRIED TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING DEMAND THEIR MONEY BACK
If enough people order them and he refuses to honour the orders (which he will), you can just organise a mass visit to the shop to all demand your free rotors / refund of P&P. Take pitchforks, flaming torches and someone from the local paperI can just see the local paper headlines now:
[s]ANGRY IT MIDDLE MANAGERS WHO TRIED TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING DEMAND THEIR MONEY BACK[/s] [b]BIKE SHOP REDUCED TO RUBBLE BY BOMBERS![/b]
my order was the first...i just hope thats the one that slips through the net 😉
I notice the listing's been removed from his website.
Andy
Is he really that bad?
Yes - you can all wave bye bye to the postage you've paid 😆
my order was the first...i just hope thats the one that slips through the net
I'll have £9.95 on you not getting anything (you can pay me when you get your postage back 😆 ).
you can pay me [b]if[/b] you get your postage back
FTFY
Mint sauce keyring thread was a fun lunchtime read, make this a sticky.
Rotors arrived today. Well chuffed. Will post pictures soon.
Rotors arrived today. Well chuffed. Will post pictures soon.
v funny.
you only ordered them 18hours ago. On a bank holiday 😉
Sorry, was just practising, you know, just in case.. 😉
It's likely to cost him 50p per order just in card charges let alone staff costs in processign the refunds.
I bet DH will be falling over themselves to do refunds...
Not a massive surprise that I've not had my order acknowledged...
Andy
[i]Edit - spam filter had got it[/i]
I'm watching this thread with interest.... Being one of the people DH and his cronies have been rude to/attempted to rip off.
I'm hoping you all manage to annoy him REALLY badly, but you're waving goodbye to your tenners if you've not got some form of protection.
I had an email confirming my order, that's it.