[i]The whole thing of a custom frame is that it's for you.[/i]
Pooh on a stick.
A custom frame is about buying the prejudices and pre-conceptions of a frame builder just like a 'factory' bike, except it costs more and takes longer.
Plonker.
[i]Plonker.[/i]
Succint and incisive, but not particularly illuminating.
A custom frame is about buying the prejudices and pre-conceptions of a frame builder just like a 'factory' bike, except it costs more and takes longer.
apart from the fact you can get it to fit you perfectly, made for your style of riding and it can have all the little design features that make it special to you. I'd prefer to get a tailored suit to fit me rather than a cheapo mass produced one with compromises, why would I not do the same with a bike?
Sorry, don't agree.
Custom frame builders can change the length and the angles of tubing. That's about it.
What if I want hydroforming? What if I want carbon fibre? What if I want a 3D rear end ala Orange 5? What if I want a frame designed to work with a particular suspension setup or device?
Innovation in bike design is done by the big boys, custom is essentially as I described; you pay more and wait longer for a few tweaks on a basic, albeit time served, design.
...and given the adjustability of the modern bicycle, most 'custom' work is done as vanity projects, rather than for any sensible reason.
LOL- that's a big chip on the shoulder you have there crikey, does sir own a carrera and feel a bit aggrieved?
vanity projects
Oi! That's my phrase!
sorry crikey but eh wtf? you can get a pair of shoes from clarks but a pair of shoes made to your feet will feel like gloves in a destruction of simile sort of way*
*I've never owned the latter it has to be said 🙂
No chip, honest!
I've had a custom frame, built just for me, with all my own little tweaks added....
It cost more than an equivalent off-the-peg frame, it took 8 weeks then another 6 weeks to get to me, and I lived 3 miles from the shop...
Bike frames are not that sophisticated, and can be adjusted in numerous ways; I think the whole custom thing is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over-rated, and is not where innovation and development occurs.
As things of beauty ( a nod to the OP..) they may have a place, but one steel frame is pretty much like any other at the end of the day, whether built in a shed by a man with a beard, or built on a production line with modern quality control.
Sorry cynic-al, you must be rubbing off on me.
In a manner of speaking...
Heh 😀
pretty much agree with you on the custom thing. Tho I love mine!
and is not where innovation and development occurs
no that tends to happen with small frame builders who can play with trends whilst the big corporate design houses are working to a strict criteria.
Carver with the 96er.....trek followed
Frank the welder with the hard core hard tails like the spooky metalhead and adjustable geometry and travel bikes like the sinister splinters
gates belt drives are being embraced by the custom frame boys, if they get them to work the big boys will follow
29ers in general
FFS even orange started out as a bloke in a shed and are still mainly designed by steve wade
big companies have the money and teams to smooth out some of the oddball designs and get them to the mainstream with some much needed tweaks, but a lot of innovation and risk is still taken by the smaller guys
Hmmm.
I think you are still talking about tweaks rather than real innovation.
What I do think would be a major step forward is the development of custom carbon frames at a price point that allowed people to walk in and order one, and see it built in a reasonable time.
The idea that building a steel frame with a few changes to geometry and tube length or swoopiness qualifies it as some how better than a mass produced frame is hard to justify.
I suspect that you could take a steel custom frame from the UKs best builder and get it reproduced in China or Taiwan, in quantity, with good quality control, in half the time, for half the cost.
Maybe I have a different attitude towards bikes than others; I see them as tools rather than objects of beauty, as functional rather than aesthetic, although one does not exclude the other.
I rather like that
If it said Carrera on it you'd be saying the opposite.
no because I'm not a label whore, I couldn't give a **** what others think about the way I look or what I do, so why would I give a shite about the name on a tube? if i like the look of it and it would give me pleasure to play on it then that's all that counts. It's a bit like humping a fat lass 😉
Valid arguments and all but can we go back to pretty bikes.
Depends what you mean by tweaks. I would say a bike as we would define it is pretty well agreed - 2 wheels, sit between them and pedal through some form of connection to the wheel to make it move forward. After this it is probably all 'tweaks' including what its made of, what size the wheels are, how to do the gearing, headset and BB type and size, etc, etc.
I would say a lot of these tweaks came from custom builders like tazzy writes - 29ers, belt drives, chain tensioning systems (black sheep HACS or the guys that do that hinged thing) even frame materials - 953 tubing, bamboo...
I cannot see why having a cheap mass produced carbon frame is any more innovative than this?
No coogan it's made by wolfhound who are apparently uber niche bearded builders and is therefore beautiful.
It really does look like a fat man has sat on it.
Normally I'd avoid threads like this because they'd get me angry but I can't sleep so I browsed away.
From what I've seen.
Almost everyone posting needs mental help, the bike pictures posted on this thread explain an awful lot abouit people in Britain and why this country is in such a terrible state.
For god's sake, look at the pictures you have posted and ask yourselves just how nasty these things are.
Someone with 'fish' in their username posted a fixie, now that's a nice bike.
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I know I said objectivity up there, but really PJM?
I'm so sorry, I own both.
The Enduro I've always admired since 2002, it's graceful and sleek in the way that pot-bellied post 2006 Specialized bikes can't emulate.
The Marin? It looks purposeful, but that swingarm is a work of post industrial art.
Shoot me now.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morris ]William Morris[/url] has much to say that is relevant here (although I suspect that he didn't have bikes [i]specifically[/i] in mind when he said it 😉 ) -
Principally - "Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful".
I will concede that he has a beard however, which may suggest a bias.
Innovations: suspension, disc brakes, spds etc
Different IMO to what the wee guys have done.
If you consider companies like AMP research or Mountain Cycles wee (certainly compared to the Giants, Shimanos and Treks of this world) then they did innovate suspension - horst link, linkage forks, upside down forks - and disc brakes. Not sure about SPDs though.
i've just put myself in charge of judging this: candodavid - yes; that's the idea.
alwyn - no; the letters are too big, the silhouettes too contrived, they're loud and vulgar.
(they're drunken tarts with too much make-up, shouting insults at passers by outside a football pub at 1am on a sunday morning)
i've previously voiced my opinion on the genesis equilibrium, so for a change, here's my input:
Should we have the same thread but restricted to bikes that you can actually buy and use? (avoiding Vanillas etc?)
horst link, linkage forks, upside down forks - and disc brakes.
I'll give you those, none of which are really anything significant apart from disc brakes, and horst links - to DH guys and marketeers.
corroded +1 doesn't matter if off the peg or custom, pretty is pretty. name or quantity sold do not influence looks.
(they're drunken tarts with too much make-up, shouting insults at passers by outside a football pub at 1am on a sunday morning)
Phwwoooar....
Tazzy that Brian Rourkes bike looks familiar. Is that yours?
no, it's belongs to one of the chaps from rourkes. It's a lovely bike and I've had a fondle, but steel is too heavy for my weight weenie ways
Ahh Steve's isn't it? Nice bike but bit bright for my liking 🙂
Still chuckle though at the thought of Matt riding round being tooted at by truckers thinking he's a woman with his long blonde hair and his pink Giro helmet on 🙂
shitting dog bikes look like shitting dogs.
they look o.k as frames or when they are beach cruisers, not convinced they work well as mtb's, they look like an answer to a problem that never existed and ugly with it.
(they're drunken tarts with too much make-up, shouting insults at passers by outside a football pub at 1am on a sunday morning)
Maybe that's what I like 😉
Now your just being silly tazzy. That green thing looks like it's been crashed.
That Engin's luverly.
Needs a flat bar on it though.
Then it'd be double luverly.
Now your just being silly tazzy
I'm sorry have I [u]ever[/u] been serious on singletrack? 😆
stu- I think you'll find it's a monkey bumming a hamster to death
Mmm.
just as i thought then.
Did it actualy die though?
Did it actualy die though?
well the monkey did ask to borrow some gaffer tape, so I think it may have split
Just happened across this and thought it rated pretty highly on the 'pretty' scale.
http://www.boutiquecycles.com/bikes/details/red_inbred/
are you serious? a stovepipe frame with a glossy paintjob.
(in other words a turd rolled in glitter is still a turd)
An Inbred?! Jesus wept, someone give the boy a slap.
huws, that wins for me. Classic, functional , minimalist and chromed. And not a logo or brand name visible (unless you look real hard). If you don't know what it is, you don't need to know what it is.
U got class my friend.
That tandem S-WORKS is nuts!
If motorbikes are going to be posted, surely nothing can match this '77 Ducati 900ss. If I ever have money, this would be very high on the shopping list just behind a laverda RGS1000
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not pretty but interesting
That Fulvia is the prettiest thing on this thread
OK, here's my take on it.
Even though I sold it last year this was always a good looker in my opinion:
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But this IS the prettiest ever:
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Although works better when the mech is attached!!!
And for a full suspension this is quite nice:
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Just about to be rebuilt.
Dave
for a girl it is nice!!!
There is nowt pretty about a Maverick. Especially in that paint job.
aye.. but it makes up for it in other ways.



































